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Conflict Puts Air Greenland On The Ground  
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3940 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7845 times:

Air Greenland has gone to to lock out of the companys pilots and cabincrew. There is currently a conflict in the pilots salary negotiations. The talks broke down on saturday evening . As a consequense, Air Greenland has gone to lockout of their flying crews.


Lockout from Sunday 9th of January



Article in Norwegian

http://www.boarding.no/art.asp?id=44538

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User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7662 times:

I am going to fly a lot in Greenland next summer. How may this affect my travel?
Thank You.


User currently offlinembe0002 From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6797 times:

check out www.airgreenland.com

Breaking News

11/01-11 10:00 Pilot conflict - news update wednesday at 10AM Greenlandic time

Air Greenland and the pilots' union are still not in contact after the collapse of the negotiations on Saturday. All of Air Greenland flights to and including Saturday January 15th have been cancelled due to the conflict.

All passengers will be notified, but can contact the Air Greenland hotlines in Greenland on +299 34 33 35 and on +45 3246 2240 in Denmark with questions regarding the consequences of the conflict.

Ticket refund

It is possible to get your Air Greenland ticket refunded, if your journey takes place between the period January 10th. - 22nd. 2011.

Click here for refund form

Ticket Rebooking

Rebooking for another flight after the 29th. January will possible. In this case you need to contact your travel agent where you have bought your ticket. If you have purchased your ticket on Airgreenland.com please contact us directly through kontakt@airgreenland.gl or glcopenhagen@airgreenland.dk


User currently offlinespokemd From United States of America, joined May 2005, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6422 times:

Do any other airlines serve Greenland? How are folks getting to/from Greenland while Air Greenland isn't flying?


kjot-kgai
User currently offlineEaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6401 times:

Quoting spokemd (Reply 3):
Do any other airlines serve Greenland? How are folks getting to/from Greenland while Air Greenland isn't flying?

Air Iceland is the only airline that will fly to Greenland until Air Greenland resumes flights. People can connect in Iceland for Europe and America.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

Quoting spokemd (Reply 3):
Do any other airlines serve Greenland?

I believe SK does, but only during summer



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6384 times:

Quoting spokemd (Reply 3):
Do any other airlines serve Greenland?

No, not at the moment. Icelandair has flights in the summer.

Quoting spokemd (Reply 3):
How are folks getting to/from Greenland while Air Greenland isn't flying?

By ship.

/Lars



139, 306, 319, 320, 321, 332, 34A, AN2, AT4, AT5, AT7, 733, 735, 73G, 738, 739, 146, AR1, BH2, CN1, CR2, DH1, DH3, DH4,
User currently offlinepzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6279 times:

Currently there is no other way to fly out/in Greenland but to rent a plane. Ships are yet not sailing as the do not operate in winter time.
I am not sure wheter Air Iceland still has a 2x flight to Eastern Greeland. However, to reach there from Nuuk or Ilulissat or any other major population centre you still need to fly Air Greenland.

The electronic versions of Sermitsiaq AG, a major newspaper in Nuuk has been decrease due to the lack of printed versions in other cities. There is simply no way to carry things or people from one city to another. had it been in Summer, then ships would be already navigating.



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User currently offlineEaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6042 times:

Quoting pzurita1 (Reply 7):
I am not sure wheter Air Iceland still has a 2x flight to Eastern Greeland. However, to reach there from Nuuk or Ilulissat or any other major population centre you still need to fly Air Greenland.

They do. They have a couple of flights this week. But they can't and wont replace Air Greenland


User currently offlineThule From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5801 times:

Latest news:

The strike is extending until January 15th.

A Greenlandic travel agency that sells Air Iceland tickets reports that all Air Iceland flights from Greenland for the next week or two are completely full.

Air Iceland is refusing to add extra flights to its current routes or to take up any domestic routes, out of solidarity with the GL union.

Most Greenlanders support the strike except for two groups: 1) those currently traveling, and 2) those in the far northern towns, who only get 1x or 2x weekly flights that carry food.


User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5587 times:

What are the main drivers of traffic to/from Greenland? Tourism, VFR? Is there much in the way of business?

I noticed on Wikipedia that Air Greenland has 38 aircraft. That seems very high for a country of 56,000 people, but I imagine the population is pretty dispersed over a very wide area. Only one aircraft is an A330 for flights to continental Europe, the rest are helicopters, Dehavillands, and Beechcrafts,

I am just trying to understand how profitable these domestic routes are. Is the EAS service to remote villages subsidized by the government? Or does the one A330 make enough money to subsidize the rest of the airline's costs?

How is this airline economically viable? It must be, or else SAS wouldn't own 37% of it.


User currently offlineEaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5417 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 10):
What are the main drivers of traffic to/from Greenland? Tourism, VFR? Is there much in the way of business?

I noticed on Wikipedia that Air Greenland has 38 aircraft. That seems very high for a country of 56,000 people, but I imagine the population is pretty dispersed over a very wide area. Only one aircraft is an A330 for flights to continental Europe, the rest are helicopters, Dehavillands, and Beechcrafts,

I am just trying to understand how profitable these domestic routes are. Is the EAS service to remote villages subsidized by the government? Or does the one A330 make enough money to subsidize the rest of the airline's costs?

How is this airline economically viable? It must be, or else SAS wouldn't own 37% of it.

In the winter there probably isn't much tourism. Air travel is basically the only way between many places in Greenland. There are often no roads between towns. It's a subsidized company and I doubt that the A330 makes much money.


User currently offlineprebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6451 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5248 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 10):
What are the main drivers of traffic to/from Greenland? Tourism, VFR? Is there much in the way of business?

Last summer, while I was waiting for boarding at a gate at CPH, then the Air Gleenland A330 came in to a neighbor gate. I noticed that a few dozen wheelchairs, streatchers and such were brought to the Air Greenland gate.

That single A330 serving the SFJ-CPH route is simply all Greenland's connection to the outside world. Very likely a substantial part of the traffic is related to health care. There is no way the local hospitals can treat all the various illnesses which the people have.

But I would guess that missing domestic traffic is at least as severe as no international connection. There are no roads between cities, and shipping is not possible during winter.

How to get out of this mess? I would guess that if this lasts more than a few days, then the government will issue a temporary law which is dictating the compensation levels for the next labor union contract period, ususally two or three years. That's at least the traditional "Danish" way to solve such problems when labor conflicts threaten essential infrastructure services.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineThule From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4967 times:

The Greenlandic Broadcasting Corporation reports (Danish) that the strike has stopped as of Friday due to a renewal of the contract. Service will resume this weekend.

http://knr.gl/index.php?id=183&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=63706

There are probably more details to this story but my Danish is pretty basic. Lars? Preben? A little help?


User currently offlineEaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 12):
Last summer, while I was waiting for boarding at a gate at CPH, then the Air Gleenland A330 came in to a neighbor gate. I noticed that a few dozen wheelchairs, streatchers and such were brought to the Air Greenland gate.

There are quite frequent medical emergency flights from Iceland to Greenland to pick up people that need hospital care in Greenland. If medical evacuation had been needed in the last couple of days then that would have been one way. For complicated emergencies or treatments the only options are Iceland or Denmark.


User currently offlineZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 10):
Is the EAS service to remote villages subsidized by the government? Or does the one A330 make enough money to subsidize the rest of the airline's costs?

How is this airline economically viable?

It must be viable. Flying 1000km here may be as expensive as getting from London to Sydney. this could be the most expensive airline to fly per kilometre vs. ticket price in the world


User currently offlinepzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4702 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 10):
I am just trying to understand how profitable these domestic routes are. Is the EAS service to remote villages subsidized by the government?

Consider that flights from CPH to Greenland normally leave packed and it is hard to find a fare below 900 USD. However, the a/c utilisation is very low. Only 1 daily flight and it remains idle for most of the day.

However, domestic routes are a different story. Hardly you will find a seat for less than 700usd for a 1,5hrs flights from Ilulissat to Nuuk or from Kangerlussuaq to anywhere in the country. Small a/c are used for these routes and again, they almost always leave withouth an empty seat.

As has been described before, flying is the real only mean of transport. Ships do sail in summer, but their prices are not real bargains either and they are not daily. I am not sure if AirGreelands is subdized, but taking into account the prices charged in ALL of their flights and the load factors I have seen, it makes me think they need no subsidy.



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User currently offlineprebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6451 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4561 times:

Quoting Eaa3 (Reply 14):
There are quite frequent medical emergency flights from Iceland to Greenland to pick up people that need hospital care in Greenland. If medical evacuation had been needed in the last couple of days then that would have been one way.

Yes, medical emergency flights.

But the vast majority of medically related traffic out of Greenland is more routine treatments. There are good hospitals in Greenland. But due to the low population it is economically prohibitive to have specialist doctors and facilities to cover all modern routine treatments. Consequently the local healthcare to a large degree concentrates on emergencies, and leaves the rest to hospitals in Denmark.

If for instance you need an artificial hip or knee, as do practically half of the elderly people these days, then you may go to Denmark several times, first for being investigated by a doctor, then back home while sitting out the waiting list, then later for the operation and back home on a local hospital or nursing home, then later once or twice to Denmark again for physical checks to see if everything is all right.

That sort of treatments create a lot of traffic in a society of just over 50,000 inhabitants. And that will not happen in Iceland. Iceland is, unlike Greenland, not a member state in the "United States of Denmark". They are "only" a very good friend and neighbor country who of course provides emergency assistance when needed.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlinercair1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1322 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4430 times:
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Quoting pzurita1 (Reply 16):

As has been described before, flying is the real only mean of transport. Ships do sail in summer, but their prices are not real bargains either and they are not daily. I am not sure if AirGreelands is subdized, but taking into account the prices charged in ALL of their flights and the load factors I have seen, it makes me think they need no subsidy.

For domestic travel in Greenland are there bush lines/pilots like in Alaska?



rcair1
User currently offlinepzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 18):
are there bush lines/pilots like in Alaska?

Do not know what is a bush pilot.



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User currently offlinercair1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1322 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4191 times:
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Quoting pzurita1 (Reply 19):
Do not know what is a bush pilot.

Small private operators - either small fleet or one-off - that fly more special purpose planes in and out of remote areas. Much of alaska is unaccessable except by plane - so it is a thriving business there. Planes are typically large singles/small twins - lots of Beavers, 207/208 - on floats, skis, etc.

Discovery just started a series on Era - one of the biggest. Seen one episode - jury is out yet.

http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/flying-wild-alaska/



rcair1
User currently offlinepzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4075 times:

Quoting rcair1 (Reply 20):
Small private operators - either small fleet or one-off -

rcair1,
Thanks for the explanation. The answer would be no. Just a couple of pilots of AirGreenland who charter their own helicopters.



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