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UA(CO) IAH 1st 787 Crew Base; LAX 737 Base  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25751 posts, RR: 50
Posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 17690 times:

Some Continental Airlines pilot staffing moves are afoot.

The first 787 crew base will be IAH. This is probably a sign of what future flying will be for the 787 fleet somewhat staying away from EWR initially. Besides new routes, I could see the 787 replace IAH 764 flying which at times are at the edges of their performance.

Additionally the pilot system bid contains a standing bid option for LAX 737 crew base. Exact staffing level and opening date has not been announced yet, however I've heard its likely by summer. Amongst other things LAX 737 base could support the ongoing LAX/SNA-Hawaii flying which are currently flown by CLE crews. LAX will also see an uptick in CO flights for the Summer 2011 sked, with routes like LAX-IAH going to 13x daily from current 8x. (recently loaded in GDS already)

Obviously further shifting is possible as the merger progresses and a unified network gets built.

[Edited 2011-01-09 10:00:42]


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User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17549 times:

When is CO/UA supposed to get their first 787?

User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17440 times:

If United switches some 763 flying to EWR, do you think we'll see a crew base there? Or could CO 767 pilots fly the 763s?

User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 573 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 17406 times:

CO crews will not be able to touch UA metal or vice versa until joint contracts are negotiated and seniority list integration agreed to and executed.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25751 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 16850 times:

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 1):
When is CO/UA supposed to get their first 787?

Was supposed to be Nov 2011 until the latest delays due to the fire. So suspect early 2012 now.
Plans are to have 6 within the first year of deliveries.

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 2):
If United switches some 763 flying to EWR, do you think we'll see a crew base there? Or could CO 767 pilots fly the 763s?

UA already has a NYC 757/767 cockpit base. (along with Airbus base also).



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16453 times:

Quoting goldenstate (Reply 3):
CO crews will not be able to touch UA metal or vice versa until joint contracts are negotiated and seniority list integration agreed to and executed.

And one certificate for flight ops is received from the FAA.



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User currently offlinecyberual From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15674 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Additionally the pilot system bid contains a standing bid option for LAX 737 crew base. Exact staffing level and opening date has not been announced yet, however I've heard its likely by summer. Amongst other things LAX 737 base could support the ongoing LAX/SNA-Hawaii flying which are currently flown by CLE crews. LAX will also see an uptick in CO flights for the Summer 2011 sked, with routes like LAX-IAH going to 13x daily from current 8x. (recently loaded in GDS already)

Do you know if UA will add anything out of LAX besides the proposed LAX-PVG and the 3rd LAX-MEX? I also heard that CO will relocate to the other side of T6, next to UA premium counters?


User currently offlinerobo65 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14777 times:

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 1):
When is CO/UA supposed to get their first 787?

Originally the first was due to arrive in August 2011, with a total of 6 delivered in 11. With the recent delays of flight testing of 787 with the onboard fire, the new schedule has not yet been released. It will most likely be in late 1st quarter or early 2nd quarter 2012. The flights that had already been announced IAH-AKL was postoned until 2012 and the IAH-LOS flight is still scheduled for Nov 2011 with B772 equipment as a replacement until 787 comes onlne.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25751 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13707 times:

I've not heard much about new UA LAX flying beyond what you mention, but CO will also add LAX-GDL (should be loaded in next couple of weeks). It seems much of the added flying is with CO, which will see almost 40% year over year growth at LAX.

For the move, yes just prior to Xmas United agreed to a modified lease with LAWA for CO until 2017. As part of the move they plan to vacate the CO counters, bagroom, and bunch of office space. Target consolidation date is August.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12420 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
I've not heard much about new UA LAX flying beyond what you mention, but CO will also add LAX-GDL (should be loaded in next couple of weeks). It seems much of the added flying is with CO, which will see almost 40% year over year growth at LAX.

Thanks for all the interesting and informative information, LAXIntl. It will be very interesting to see what will transpire in the coming months.
Since CO has a the largest presence in Mexico compared to other U.S. airlines, and there's still a lot of service that has not been picked up since MX ceased operations, I think we'll see CO add a marked number of new destinations from LAX to Mexico in the next year. LAX-GDL seems to be the most logical to start next. I wonder if we'll see many of the Mexico flights already in operation with UA A319/A320s, switched to CO 737s.


User currently offlineBraniff727Ultra From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10793 times:

LAXInt'l;

Any word from Delta about countering this move? I know they were trying to grow LAX for Central & South American routes in 2010. As part of that Delta growth did they or will they declare LAX a full hub with the latin growth? I look forward to completion of the CO/UA (New United) merger to see how much of the CO customer service carries over.

Also as part of this any word on whether United will speed up the retrofit to T7/8? I was through there a couple of times on busness travel during the summer and the place really needs an upgrade. Even overheard a few passengers commenting too the fact. I love LAX! Hate to see any part of it looking that dated. Can't wait for the new addition/upgrades to TBIT to finish. Thanks for the feedback in advance.


User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9513 times:

This announcement has to be an LAX commuters dream...being so many folks who settled there waaay back when LA was HQ and the largest base in the system. Are they going to open a CO LAX Inflight satellite base as well?

User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2667 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9342 times:

After Customer Day 1, you don't know what the new UA will do with equipment , but UA will be able to move aircraft freely around the system. LAX, being a valuable destination, being longer haul to the East Coast and some Latin American destinations, 737 aircraft could be substituted on current UA flights to offer Live TV and lower costs for some 752 flights.

So, could at least some Airbus flights from LAX to hubs of ORD/DEN/IAD be flown with 737s?

How about Latin American destinations like LAX-CUN/MEX/GUA/SJO

How about Airbus or 752s flights to LAX-BOS/MSY/MCO?

Could LAX-PIT and PHL be upgraded at least seasonally from 319 to 738 service?


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6793 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9312 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
The first 787 crew base will be IAH.

Not a huge surprise considering that the first two announced 787 routes were IAH-AKL and IAH-LOS. The 787 will really shine (initially) on routes where the 777 is too much capacity and the 767-300/400's don't have enough range.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Additionally the pilot system bid contains a standing bid option for LAX 737 crew base.

What sort of restrictions are in place regarding displacements of pre-merger UA pilots out of LAX? I really can't see much expansion of domestic mainline flying out of LAX.


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3045 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9281 times:

Quoting dl767captain (Reply 1):
If United switches some 763 flying to EWR, do you think we'll see a crew base there? Or could CO 767 pilots fly the 763s?

Not sure how UA does it (or CO for that matter), but at DL for example the 757/767 domestic is one category, the 76ER is a separate category, and so is the 764. Once they have a single operating certificate, and once ALPA figures out how they'll merge seniority lists, if there will be any fences around bidding certain airplanes, etc, I am sure they'll have that resolved.


User currently offlineMDW22L31C From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8972 times:

Will we mainline aircraft use UAL termnal 8 since CO has given up ops at Terminal 6 at LAX.

User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6662 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8864 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 12):
How about Airbus or 752s flights to LAX-BOS/MSY/MCO?

Above routes likely very good 738/739 candidates. I'd expect domestic UA 757s to retreat over to IAH and EWR for short and mid hauls such as:
IAH-SEA/DEN/LAS/LAX/SFO/ORD/DCA/IAD/MCO/PHL/BOS
EWR-SEA/SAN/SFO/LAX/PHX/MCO/FLL/IAD

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):

UA already has a NYC 757/767 cockpit base. (along with Airbus base also).

True but the NYC 757/767 cockpit base doesn't cover EWR. UA used to have a seperate EWR pilot and f/a base until 2006, so who knows how UA is going to handle this. Maybe two separate bases for the interim.



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User currently offlinetozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8826 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 16):
True but the NYC 757/767 cockpit base doesn't cover EWR. UA used to have a seperate EWR pilot and f/a base until 2006, so who knows how UA is going to handle this. Maybe two separate bases for the interim.

Not meant to flame, but not true. The flight attendants had a seperate EWR base, but the pilot bases have co-terminals.

JFK pilots cover JFK, LGA, EWR

SFO pilots cover SFO, OAK, SJC

LAX pilots cover SNA, LAX, BUR

etc.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25751 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8821 times:

Quoting Braniff727Ultra (Reply 10):

No UA plans to remodel T7/8. Actually both are relatively newly redone, with T-8 having been rebuilt from scratch only about a decade ago. Only remodel on that side of the airport is a $140mil project by Alaska Airlines to redo half of T-6 for them to move into in during 2012.

For Delta, not sure what they are or not doing as it can change every 3-months. Ultimately they face facility constraints so I'm not sure making LAX a true hub is really something that is viable.

Quoting MDW22L31C (Reply 15):
Will we mainline aircraft use UAL termnal 8 since CO has given up ops at Terminal 6 at LAX.

CO is not giving up operations in T-6. Only overlapping ticket counter, bagroom and office space. UA itself is a active daily user of T-6.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 16):
True but the NYC 757/767 cockpit base doesn't cover EWR.

Yes it does. NY base covers trips from all 3-airports.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6662 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8796 times:

Quoting tozairport (Reply 17):
JFK pilots cover JFK, LGA, EWR

Thanks for the info. I could have sworn I read on this forum before that UA's pilot/F/a base does not cover EWR since the Newark base closure in 2006.



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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3045 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8765 times:

Quoting tozairport (Reply 17):
JFK pilots cover JFK, LGA, EWR
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
Yes it does. NY base covers trips from all 3-airports.

How does that work? For example, if you're an NYC 757/767 pilot, when you pick up a rotation do they all start and end at the same airport? I guess my question is, if a pilot starts his rotation at JFK, flies for 3 days, will he/she end at JFK or is it possible that the rotation will end in LGA or EWR?


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8728 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 16):

Above routes likely very good 738/739 candidates. I'd expect domestic UA 757s to retreat over to IAH and EWR for short and mid hauls such as:
IAH-SEA/DEN/LAS/LAX/SFO/ORD/DCA/IAD/MCO/PHL/BOS
EWR-SEA/SAN/SFO/LAX/PHX/MCO/FLL/IAD

I'd like that to happen; but what is your rationale that they would move the 757s en masse to IAH?



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User currently offlineCOalways From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8617 times:

I'm sure they will move a lot of 757 to IAH, its seems like Houston is going to see a lot of growth its already the Mega Hub for the combined airline. IAH will have service to all 6 continents which no other Airline has state side and seems that there going to be a lot of intl growth with the 787. So a lot of upguage for connecting flow. Probably DXB, MAD, FCO, BRU, MUC and mostly another asiain destinations.

User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3045 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8596 times:

Quoting COalways (Reply 22):
IAH will have service to all 6 continents which no other Airline has state side

CO is planning an Australia nonstop from IAH?


User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3681 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8582 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 23):
CO is planning an Australia nonstop from IAH?

IAH-AKL whenever the 788s enter service.



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25 Post contains images catiii : But factually, AKL is an oceanic island and isn't a continent (much like the Caribbean isn't part of a continent) Still, IAH will be an impressive hu
26 LAXintl : All dependent on what the final joint seniority list, and CBA says. Most often there will be some initial restrictions or fences with seat or equipme
27 CALPSAFltSkeds : On second thought, the 737's would not currently fit on Terminal 8, where there are five 319/320 gates. 737s have too wide a wingspan and are too lon
28 TOMMY767 : Currently there are a lot of UA 757s flying out of DEN on short and medium haul flights. It could be in UA's best interest to fly 737s into the DEN h
29 drerx7 : Good point. Hopefully so. 757 routes from IAH in the past and some currently. AUS, SAT, MFE, MSY, ORD, DTW, PHX, RNO, TPA, FLL, MCO, BWI, EWR, LAX, S
30 catiii : When is that scheduled to be?
31 N1120A : Interesting. See below. They should. That is already being done, along with UAX aircraft. Further, CO hasn't given up ops at T6, especially consideri
32 Antoniemey : Never heard that one, though I have heard the name Oceana for Australia, New Zealand, and the islands on the Indo-Australian Plate. Sometime this spr
33 Post contains links N1120A : 1997, no? They didn't make the place as nice as T4, but its actually pleasant and efficient. Where are they going to be? Over where DL has (had?) a c
34 TOMMY767 : Also wait for CO to find out what they want to do over at EWR first with the 757s (if and when they replace them with 767s.) Some CO 757s down in IAH
35 STT757 : I can see UA 757s moving to IAH for Latin America routes and to EWR for Caribbean and Florida routes, that would free up CO 757-300s for West Coast-H
36 Post contains links LAXintl : I'm not sure if there will be a new CO counter. Target Customer Day-1 will be long before this proposed August move, so CO ticket counter ops will si
37 Slider : 5/17/11
38 CODC10 : IAH-LAX ran 13x last summer as well.
39 N1120A : That is going to be a nightmare, especially if the Fastair GUI isn't able to compensate for the less robust SHARES system. That place will go from ni
40 drerx7 : This far out though the aircraft are not finalized as they have CO52 as 752 and all the rest 738s...738s being the place holders like I believe for U
41 laca773 : They will have up to 8 gates. The news of AS moving has been out for quite sometime now. Is this new 737 base going to be a mix of classic and next g
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