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Virgin Blue : Q400 Or ATR?  
User currently onlinetitus95 From France, joined Feb 2009, 97 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6739 times:
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Virgin Blue has signed a cooperative agreement with Skywest , which will see the later introducing 18 new built turboprops thru a lessor company in full Virgin Blue cs , beginning in the middle of this year.

I only see 2 types , available on the market , namely Q400 or ATR.

Some more precisions coming from Australia ?

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User currently onlinetitus95 From France, joined Feb 2009, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6698 times:
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http://australianaviation.com.au/201...est-to-team-up-on-regional-routes/


Rumours in Australia say the Q400 is favorite.


User currently offlinekeuleatr72 From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6632 times:

With the distances in Australia I would bet my money on the Q400.
Btw: A Q400 in DJ colors would look great!


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6619 times:

As no one knows the planned DJ scheme, it may not look as good when they arrive in a new scheme 

User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6424 times:

I'd bet this goes to the Q...BBD needs to fill the backlog, and this would add nearly a year!

User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6369 times:

Quoting keuleatr72 (Reply 2):
Btw: A Q400 in DJ colors would look great!

Im pretty sure that scheme wont be around soon, Something new on the horizon :P


User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1669 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6202 times:

If they need a plane for low density but long routes the Q400 is the plane.

ATR is much better for shorter routes, the cruise speed is lower, but also the prize of the plane and the fuel burn.

Let´s say that if the routes are shorter than 400 NM nobody can compete with the economics of the ATR, but if they are longer the Q400 speed is getting the point.

For Example Ethiopian now use their Q400 for ADD-MBA that is almos 800 NM, such a route with an ATR is almost imposible to do with any comercial sense.


User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5812 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 5):
Im pretty sure that scheme wont be around soon, Something new on the horizon :P

Will be coming sooner than you think

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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5421 times:

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 7):
Will be coming sooner than you think

Nice, it already looks better then finnairs 


User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5083 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 6):
For Example Ethiopian now use their Q400 for ADD-MBA that is almos 800 NM, such a route with an ATR is almost imposible to do with any comercial sense.

Tarom (Romanian airlines) is using an ATR from LRSB - EDDM (Sibiu-Munich) about 550-600 nm depending on the routing.


User currently offlineditzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4829 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 6):
thiopian now use their Q400 for ADD-MBA that is almos 800 NM, such a route with an ATR is almost imposible to do with any comercial sense.

Air Tahiti do ETOPS flying in their ATRs on routes of 880nm. Westbound flights are in excess on 3.5 hours.


User currently offlineLPSHobby From Brazil, joined May 2007, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4807 times:
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until with route distance a Q400 can be better than a 70-seat jet?

User currently offlinebj87 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4774 times:

Quoting keuleatr72 (Reply 2):
With the distances in Australia I would bet my money on the Q400.

I agree, with the long distances in Australia the Q400 would be worth the extra investment. Besides it looks so much better than an ATR

Quoting ditzyboy (Reply 10):
Air Tahiti do ETOPS flying in their ATRs on routes of 880nm. Westbound flights are in excess on 3.5 hours.

Good lord 3.5 hours in an ATR, there is hell on earth!!! (the ones I have flown on were terribly noisy) I guess if one really wants to fly one that far it can be done. Can't help but think a Q400 would be more economical at it. Because of the longer flight time the ATR would have to haul more fuel to get there and hauling fuel costs fuel.

Besides if the Q400 is 20 to 30 minutes quicker per flight, compared to the ATR's 3.5 hour flight, means it could do an extra flight, all be it a shorter one, per day and earn the airline more money.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9741 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4623 times:

Quoting DJ748 (Reply 7):
Will be coming sooner than you think

Based on the photo the new livery will not have a completely red fuselage. That's a pity as I like DJ's current livery, it really stands out at any airport. Let's hope I'm wrong!!! Even so, I'm anxious in seeing what they will come up with to brand the new combined operation of DJ and VA.

A388


User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1669 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

Quoting ditzyboy (Reply 10):
Air Tahiti do ETOPS flying in their ATRs on routes of 880nm. Westbound flights are in excess on 3.5 hours.

It´s true, but with a network of many island jumps they can´t have Dash8 for that flight only and ATR for all the others, so they decide to use the plane for that route, because nothing else is available. But the ATR is not designed to do this kind of flights. however some of them are available with overhead TV to play movies, so at least is not that boring.

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 9):
Tarom (Romanian airlines) is using an ATR from LRSB - EDDM (Sibiu-Munich) about 550-600 nm depending on the routing.

That´s in my opinion the limit of the ATR, more than that is out of the ideal mission.

Any flight shorter than 2 hours is OK for the ATR, anything shorter than 1 hour is ideal but more than 2´5 hours is too much.


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