MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31155 posts, RR: 76 Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15626 times:
American Airlines and JAL will hold a joint-press conference in Tokyo on January 11th in the morning (so in just a few minutes or hours, given that it is 6.51am Tuesday morning in Tokyo as I type this). The media alert calls it a conference to discuss "progress of their trans-Pacific business alliance," so looks like we'll finally get some hard details on how they plan to implement the alliance.
I wouldn't hold my breathe for anything too exciting.
MiAAmi From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 390 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14868 times:
Hopefully Miami- Tokyo is not too far down the road. Whether it be on JAL metal or AA a new nonstop from Miami would be great!
smoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1227 posts, RR: 12 Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14610 times:
timberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 562 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14524 times:
From Twitter;
AA & JAL to hold trans-Pacific joint business press conf in Japan. Watch live video at 11pm CT tonight.
commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10224 posts, RR: 62 Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14518 times:
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3385 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14461 times:
Quoting MiAAmi (Reply 1): Hopefully Miami- Tokyo is not too far down the road. Whether it be on JAL metal or AA a new nonstop from Miami would be great!
MIA-NRT won't be happening on AA metal anytime soon. The greatest likelihood for MIA-NRT lies in delivery of the 787 to AA, whenever that may be.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31155 posts, RR: 76 Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14436 times:
Anybody who is a "fan" of American Airlines on Facebook will be able to watch a live broadcast of the announcement starting at 9PM PST on AA's Facebook page.
commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10224 posts, RR: 62 Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14212 times:
Not sure if anything of any real significance will actually be announced at this press conference, but I will say this: it is interesting how dramatically AA is promoting it all over their Facebook page. Hmmm...
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31155 posts, RR: 76 Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14145 times:
Quoting SESGDL (Reply 5): Quoting MiAAmi (Reply 1):
Hopefully Miami- Tokyo is not too far down the road. Whether it be on JAL metal or AA a new nonstop from Miami would be great!
MIA-NRT won't be happening on AA metal anytime soon. The greatest likelihood for MIA-NRT lies in delivery of the 787 to AA, whenever that may be.
From everything I have heard lately, Miami-Tokyo is being closely looked at, likely using slots from JFK-NRT, and target of starting it by summer 2012. The 772 might not be able to do it (it theoretically can, but westbound likely isn't going to be pretty), but the 773 rumors actually do have merit.
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3385 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14084 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
From everything I have heard lately, Miami-Tokyo is being closely looked at, likely using slots from JFK-NRT, and target of starting it by summer 2012. The 772 might not be able to do it (it theoretically can, but westbound likely isn't going to be pretty), but the 773 rumors actually do have merit.
ac033 From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14032 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
From everything I have heard lately, Miami-Tokyo is being closely looked at, likely using slots from JFK-NRT, and target of starting it by summer 2012. The 772 might not be able to do it (it theoretically can, but westbound likely isn't going to be pretty), but the 773 rumors actually do have merit.
Maybe JAL's B788 can do this job? Since AAL does not have any 773 so you mean JAL is going to fly this route,then i think there is a good chance that 788 will be seen on this route.
From everything I have heard lately, Miami-Tokyo is being closely looked at, likely using slots from JFK-NRT, and target of starting it by summer 2012. The 772 might not be able to do it (it theoretically can, but westbound likely isn't going to be pretty), but the 773 rumors actually do have merit.
Would it be flown by AA or JL?
The current talk is AA. Reduce JFK-NRT to 3/4w (which will still leave a combined 17/18w NYC-TYO flights on AA/JL), and then 3/4w MIA-NRT using those slots. But indeed, it's not a pretty route westbound for the 772, and that's a problem for a route that will likely be high on load factors (like almost anything to Asia) and strong on cargo.
But JAL makes more sense. It already has the equipment to fly it, and will have 787s sooner than AA. So JAL could launch with a 77W in the interim, and then put it on a 787 when its finally ready. Nonetheless, rumors indicate AA-operated. I hope it's JAL.
It's interesting that AA/JL is hyping this so much today and getting the word out to the public. Hints at maybe something more than "hey, we have ATI," but who knows.
deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8628 posts, RR: 8 Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13971 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
The current talk is AA. Reduce JFK-NRT to 3/4w (which will still leave a combined 17/18w NYC-TYO flights on AA/JL), and then 3/4w MIA-NRT using those slots. But indeed, it's not a pretty route westbound for the 772, and that's a problem for a route that will likely be high on load factors (like almost anything to Asia) and strong on cargo.
Wouldn't AA need to have 77Ws for them to fly it?
Or are we going off the pilot rumor AA is going to get like 20 77Ws that JL has on order? (even tho JL only has 5 on order)
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The 773 is way too much plane for MIA-NRT. A 787 is a much better fit.
Agreed, but a 773 3-4x a week shouldn't be much of an issue. Good cargo hauling capacities and allows JAL/AA to build the market now, instead of waiting for when the 787 arrive. Also fend off ANA potentially beating AA/JAL to the market, because ANA has shown serious interest (in MIA and quite a few other U.S. airports) and has met with MIA officials.
Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 13): Or are we going off the pilot rumor AA is going to get like 20 77Ws that JL has on order? (even tho JL only has 5 on order)
The rumors that AA is considering acquiring 77Ws have merit. Nobody said they are coming from JAL.
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4994 posts, RR: 25 Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13818 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8): From everything I have heard lately, Miami-Tokyo is being closely looked at, likely using slots from JFK-NRT, and target of starting it by summer 2012. The 772 might not be able to do it (it theoretically can, but westbound likely isn't going to be pretty),
Wonder how bad any payload restrictions would be. ATL-NRT isn't too much shorter, and ATL-ICN which has been flown by 772s (and I think still may be) is fairly close in distance to MIA-NRT. It would be a shorter route than EWR-HKG which we know to be weigh restricted. I wonder if it might not just be worth their while to launch it with a 772.
peanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1312 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13757 times:
Any carrier announcing "major" announcements always end up being anti-climatic somehow. Will AA/JL have learned this time around and really make a bombshell announcement tonight? It would be nice.
What WN did with FL was what I'd call "an announcement". Out of the blue with little foreplay.
Let's see what we get this time around...
Hard to believe the DL/AA/JL drama was already a year ago! Kudos to AA/JL for coming up with something now...we'll find out soon...
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31155 posts, RR: 76 Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13699 times:
Quoting OA412 (Reply 15): Wonder how bad any payload restrictions would be. ATL-NRT isn't too much shorter, and ATL-ICN which has been flown by 772s (and I think still may be) is fairly close in distance to MIA-NRT. It would be a shorter route than EWR-HKG which we know to be weigh restricted. I wonder if it might not just be worth their while to launch it with a 772.
ATL-NRT is almost 600 miles shorter, but does run on a near identical path.
ATL-ICN isn't much shorter, but it runs on a more northern route over northern Alaska and Siberia, and that helps out quite a bit.
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4994 posts, RR: 25 Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13657 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17): ATL-ICN isn't much shorter, but it runs on a more northern route over northern Alaska and Siberia, and that helps out quite a bit.
Hmm, you're right. I didn't even catch that when I plugged it into the great circle map. Personally, if they don't get their hands on 77Ws, I do think it may very well be worth their while to go ahead and start the route with 772s to get a foothold in the market until 789s begin arriving on the property.
commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10224 posts, RR: 62 Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13598 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 19): This announcement probably will be anti-climatic. Ive been let down by these "big announcements" every time except once (DFW-MAD).
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22240 posts, RR: 51 Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13546 times:
JAL selling AA some of its new made from bamboo wheelchairs to ease passengers going through TSA screening?
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3385 posts, RR: 10 Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13512 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 19):
I agree. This announcement probably will be anti-climatic. Ive been let down by these "big announcements" every time except once (DFW-MAD).
Indeed. It sure would be nice if AA/JL announced BOS-NRT or the return of SEA-NRT. One can dream...
commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10224 posts, RR: 62 Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12512 times:
MKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1008 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12225 times:
Yawn. Very little news here.
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25 _AA_777_MAN: What do you mean?! JAL flights will now (starting March 27) depart from AA's Terminal 3 at ORD!!!!!!!!!! Awesome!!!!!
26 ordjoe: I would rather keep JL in T5 at ORD. Give the the Sakura lounge over the AC anyday.
27 flyfree727: As stated, this was to dicuss progress on already announced news.. no suprises here and pretty much what I expected AA ORD
28 Byrdluvs747: Definitely not earth-shattering news. Nothing in this event was worthy of calling a plress conference.
29 NorthstarBoy: I cant help but wonder where at ORD T3 they can even park a 77W and not block an alleyway, IIRC it's pretty cramped there.
30 ORDnHKG: Maybe you had never been to ORD then, as IB's 346 is a regular visitor at T3.
31 laca773: This does have merit as there was talk about what JL was planning on doing with the 77Ws they have on order once they went into Bankruptcy proceeding
32 MAH4546: According to who? Maybe you forget that it's called a press conference - as in, a conference for the press. There is a lot of information to disperse
33 fxramper: They are going to sell MQ, acquire 773 from JL, and announce new routes from LAX, JFK, and MIA.
34 jfklganyc: So what was the news besides the terminal switch in ORD?
35 BoeingGuy: Any chance that AA (or JL) will ever resume SJC-NRT flights? I always thought those flights did very well. Likewise with SEA-NRT. It's often very diff
36 Tinosky: All I got from this upate was: "attention all", "ATTENTION ALL!" we would like to announce, that I successfully tied my shoes this morning! Thank you!
37 MAH4546: Why? Did you not read the first post? It's not like AA/JL even tried to hide what the press conference was about - it was pretty clear.
38 Tinosky: If it was somthing to do with more routes, or extending the pacific route network, then that would be somthing! Not just an announcement on a termina
39 MAH4546: Give AA and JAL a year to figure things out. We already have two new routes coming out of this alliance - LAX-PVG and JFK-HND. I'm sure as AA and JAL
40 Byrdluvs747: I'm aware what a press conference is, and I also know what a press release is. Other than JL moving to T3, nothing new came from this event that wasn
41 ripcordd: I know K-19 & L8 can take the 773....I think K16 K12 could also
42 MAH4546: A lot. It is to be part of the JAL ATI. The JAL ATI makes all trans-Pacific flying more viable through economics of scale. AA can now tap into JAL's
43 Viscount724: A press release would have been plenty for this type of news. Press conference seems like overkill when there's so little real news to announce.
44 BoeingGuy: How about restarting SJC-NRT and SEA-NRT when they spread their resources?
45 commavia: The most noteworthy piece of AA-JAL "news" of this week, ironically not from the AA-JAL press conference: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-12/jap
46 Byrdluvs747: I realize the function that the JBV will play, but AA needed a china strategy with or without JL. If DL was successful in luring JL to the dark side,
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Since AAL does not have any 773 so you mean JAL is going to fly this route,then i think there is a good chance that 788 will be seen on this route.
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