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AA/JAL Announcement Tuesday (in Tokyo)  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 16773 times:

American Airlines and JAL will hold a joint-press conference in Tokyo on January 11th in the morning (so in just a few minutes or hours, given that it is 6.51am Tuesday morning in Tokyo as I type this). The media alert calls it a conference to discuss "progress of their trans-Pacific business alliance," so looks like we'll finally get some hard details on how they plan to implement the alliance.

I wouldn't hold my breathe for anything too exciting.


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User currently offlineMiAAmi From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 16015 times:

Hopefully Miami- Tokyo is not too far down the road. Whether it be on JAL metal or AA a new nonstop from Miami would be great!

[Edited 2011-01-10 17:34:07]

User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1322 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15757 times:

Haven't heard anything yet

User currently offlinetimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15671 times:

From Twitter;
AA & JAL to hold trans-Pacific joint business press conf in Japan. Watch live video at 11pm CT tonight.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11837 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15665 times:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/american-airlines

User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15608 times:

Quoting MiAAmi (Reply 1):
Hopefully Miami- Tokyo is not too far down the road. Whether it be on JAL metal or AA a new nonstop from Miami would be great!

MIA-NRT won't be happening on AA metal anytime soon. The greatest likelihood for MIA-NRT lies in delivery of the 787 to AA, whenever that may be.

Jeremy


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 15583 times:

Anybody who is a "fan" of American Airlines on Facebook will be able to watch a live broadcast of the announcement starting at 9PM PST on AA's Facebook page.


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11837 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15359 times:

Not sure if anything of any real significance will actually be announced at this press conference, but I will say this: it is interesting how dramatically AA is promoting it all over their Facebook page. Hmmm...

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15292 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 5):
Quoting MiAAmi (Reply 1):
Hopefully Miami- Tokyo is not too far down the road. Whether it be on JAL metal or AA a new nonstop from Miami would be great!

MIA-NRT won't be happening on AA metal anytime soon. The greatest likelihood for MIA-NRT lies in delivery of the 787 to AA, whenever that may be.

From everything I have heard lately, Miami-Tokyo is being closely looked at, likely using slots from JFK-NRT, and target of starting it by summer 2012. The 772 might not be able to do it (it theoretically can, but westbound likely isn't going to be pretty), but the 773 rumors actually do have merit.



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15231 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):

From everything I have heard lately, Miami-Tokyo is being closely looked at, likely using slots from JFK-NRT, and target of starting it by summer 2012. The 772 might not be able to do it (it theoretically can, but westbound likely isn't going to be pretty), but the 773 rumors actually do have merit.

Would it be flown by AA or JL?

Jeremy


User currently offlineac033 From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2008, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15179 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):

From everything I have heard lately, Miami-Tokyo is being closely looked at, likely using slots from JFK-NRT, and target of starting it by summer 2012. The 772 might not be able to do it (it theoretically can, but westbound likely isn't going to be pretty), but the 773 rumors actually do have merit.

Maybe JAL's B788 can do this job?    Since AAL does not have any 773 so you mean JAL is going to fly this route,then i think there is a good chance that 788 will be seen on this route.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15155 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 9):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):

From everything I have heard lately, Miami-Tokyo is being closely looked at, likely using slots from JFK-NRT, and target of starting it by summer 2012. The 772 might not be able to do it (it theoretically can, but westbound likely isn't going to be pretty), but the 773 rumors actually do have merit.

Would it be flown by AA or JL?

The current talk is AA. Reduce JFK-NRT to 3/4w (which will still leave a combined 17/18w NYC-TYO flights on AA/JL), and then 3/4w MIA-NRT using those slots. But indeed, it's not a pretty route westbound for the 772, and that's a problem for a route that will likely be high on load factors (like almost anything to Asia) and strong on cargo.

But JAL makes more sense. It already has the equipment to fly it, and will have 787s sooner than AA. So JAL could launch with a 77W in the interim, and then put it on a 787 when its finally ready. Nonetheless, rumors indicate AA-operated. I hope it's JAL.

It's interesting that AA/JL is hyping this so much today and getting the word out to the public. Hints at maybe something more than "hey, we have ATI," but who knows.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7759 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15152 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):

The 773 is way too much plane for MIA-NRT. A 787 is a much better fit.



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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15118 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):

The current talk is AA. Reduce JFK-NRT to 3/4w (which will still leave a combined 17/18w NYC-TYO flights on AA/JL), and then 3/4w MIA-NRT using those slots. But indeed, it's not a pretty route westbound for the 772, and that's a problem for a route that will likely be high on load factors (like almost anything to Asia) and strong on cargo.

Wouldn't AA need to have 77Ws for them to fly it?


Or are we going off the pilot rumor AA is going to get like 20 77Ws that JL has on order? (even tho JL only has 5 on order)



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14994 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 12):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):

The 773 is way too much plane for MIA-NRT. A 787 is a much better fit.

Agreed, but a 773 3-4x a week shouldn't be much of an issue. Good cargo hauling capacities and allows JAL/AA to build the market now, instead of waiting for when the 787 arrive. Also fend off ANA potentially beating AA/JAL to the market, because ANA has shown serious interest (in MIA and quite a few other U.S. airports) and has met with MIA officials.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 13):
Or are we going off the pilot rumor AA is going to get like 20 77Ws that JL has on order? (even tho JL only has 5 on order)

The rumors that AA is considering acquiring 77Ws have merit. Nobody said they are coming from JAL.



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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5349 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14965 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
From everything I have heard lately, Miami-Tokyo is being closely looked at, likely using slots from JFK-NRT, and target of starting it by summer 2012. The 772 might not be able to do it (it theoretically can, but westbound likely isn't going to be pretty),

Wonder how bad any payload restrictions would be. ATL-NRT isn't too much shorter, and ATL-ICN which has been flown by 772s (and I think still may be) is fairly close in distance to MIA-NRT. It would be a shorter route than EWR-HKG which we know to be weigh restricted. I wonder if it might not just be worth their while to launch it with a 772.



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User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14904 times:

Any carrier announcing "major" announcements always end up being anti-climatic somehow. Will AA/JL have learned this time around and really make a bombshell announcement tonight? It would be nice.

What WN did with FL was what I'd call "an announcement". Out of the blue with little foreplay.

Let's see what we get this time around...

Hard to believe the DL/AA/JL drama was already a year ago! Kudos to AA/JL for coming up with something now...we'll find out soon...



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33194 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14846 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 15):
Wonder how bad any payload restrictions would be. ATL-NRT isn't too much shorter, and ATL-ICN which has been flown by 772s (and I think still may be) is fairly close in distance to MIA-NRT. It would be a shorter route than EWR-HKG which we know to be weigh restricted. I wonder if it might not just be worth their while to launch it with a 772.

ATL-NRT is almost 600 miles shorter, but does run on a near identical path.

ATL-ICN isn't much shorter, but it runs on a more northern route over northern Alaska and Siberia, and that helps out quite a bit.



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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5349 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14804 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
ATL-ICN isn't much shorter, but it runs on a more northern route over northern Alaska and Siberia, and that helps out quite a bit.

Hmm, you're right. I didn't even catch that when I plugged it into the great circle map. Personally, if they don't get their hands on 77Ws, I do think it may very well be worth their while to go ahead and start the route with 772s to get a foothold in the market until 789s begin arriving on the property.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7759 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14772 times:

Quoting peanuts (Reply 16):

I agree. This announcement probably will be anti-climatic. Ive been let down by these "big announcements" every time except once (DFW-MAD).



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11837 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14745 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 19):
This announcement probably will be anti-climatic. Ive been let down by these "big announcements" every time except once (DFW-MAD).

  

True.

I'm not holding my breath for anything exciting.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26022 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14693 times:

JAL selling AA some of its new made from bamboo wheelchairs to ease passengers going through TSA screening?   

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...14a4e68b9a9c89ac90195bbb557d51.761



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14659 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 19):

I agree. This announcement probably will be anti-climatic. Ive been let down by these "big announcements" every time except once (DFW-MAD).

Indeed. It sure would be nice if AA/JL announced BOS-NRT or the return of SEA-NRT. One can dream...

Jeremy


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11837 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 13659 times:

Press release:

http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3119

As expected, no real news so far that I can see ...

[Edited 2011-01-10 21:04:22]

User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks ago) and read 13372 times:

Yawn. Very little news here.


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25 Post contains images _AA_777_MAN : What do you mean?! JAL flights will now (starting March 27) depart from AA's Terminal 3 at ORD!!!!!!!!!! Awesome!!!!!
26 ordjoe : I would rather keep JL in T5 at ORD. Give the the Sakura lounge over the AC anyday.
27 flyfree727 : As stated, this was to dicuss progress on already announced news.. no suprises here and pretty much what I expected AA ORD
28 Byrdluvs747 : Definitely not earth-shattering news. Nothing in this event was worthy of calling a plress conference.
29 NorthstarBoy : I cant help but wonder where at ORD T3 they can even park a 77W and not block an alleyway, IIRC it's pretty cramped there.
30 ORDnHKG : Maybe you had never been to ORD then, as IB's 346 is a regular visitor at T3.
31 laca773 : This does have merit as there was talk about what JL was planning on doing with the 77Ws they have on order once they went into Bankruptcy proceeding
32 MAH4546 : According to who? Maybe you forget that it's called a press conference - as in, a conference for the press. There is a lot of information to disperse
33 Post contains images fxramper : They are going to sell MQ, acquire 773 from JL, and announce new routes from LAX, JFK, and MIA.
34 jfklganyc : So what was the news besides the terminal switch in ORD?
35 BoeingGuy : Any chance that AA (or JL) will ever resume SJC-NRT flights? I always thought those flights did very well. Likewise with SEA-NRT. It's often very diff
36 Tinosky : All I got from this upate was: "attention all", "ATTENTION ALL!" we would like to announce, that I successfully tied my shoes this morning! Thank you!
37 MAH4546 : Why? Did you not read the first post? It's not like AA/JL even tried to hide what the press conference was about - it was pretty clear.
38 Tinosky : If it was somthing to do with more routes, or extending the pacific route network, then that would be somthing! Not just an announcement on a termina
39 MAH4546 : Give AA and JAL a year to figure things out. We already have two new routes coming out of this alliance - LAX-PVG and JFK-HND. I'm sure as AA and JAL
40 Byrdluvs747 : I'm aware what a press conference is, and I also know what a press release is. Other than JL moving to T3, nothing new came from this event that wasn
41 ripcordd : I know K-19 & L8 can take the 773....I think K16 K12 could also
42 MAH4546 : A lot. It is to be part of the JAL ATI. The JAL ATI makes all trans-Pacific flying more viable through economics of scale. AA can now tap into JAL's
43 Viscount724 : A press release would have been plenty for this type of news. Press conference seems like overkill when there's so little real news to announce.
44 BoeingGuy : How about restarting SJC-NRT and SEA-NRT when they spread their resources?
45 Post contains links commavia : The most noteworthy piece of AA-JAL "news" of this week, ironically not from the AA-JAL press conference: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-12/jap
46 Byrdluvs747 : I realize the function that the JBV will play, but AA needed a china strategy with or without JL. If DL was successful in luring JL to the dark side,
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