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QX To Increase SEA-LGB From 2 To 4 Daily  
User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3073 posts, RR: 7
Posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5668 times:

Hi guys,

The excellent OAG Changes post shows that QX (not AS operated, as stated in the post) is increasing SEA-LGB from 2 to 3 daily in June. I looked at AS's web site and it actually increases to four daily by August.

All flights are CR7s, not Q400s. I believe AS gave up their mainline slots so couldn't restart 737 flights into LGB if they wanted.

What's up with that? It seemed like speculation on Anet is that AS/QX will discontinue LGB, especially when they phase out the CR7s and are all Q400s. They changed from AS mainline to QX regional jets and dropped PDX-LGB.

Instead they just doubled the frequency on the SEA-LGB route. Is that route doing better after all? Might it survive even with the Q400s?

I know I differ from some other Anet posters, but if I were going to LGB, I'd just live with the 3 hour Q400 flight, enjoy the free beer and just get where I'm going easily without a long drive in traffic from like LAX or something.

[Edited 2011-01-11 09:42:35]

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25346 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5591 times:

Its Alaska playing cat and mouse with JetBlue which is upping its own LGB-SEA/PDX flights(3x each) and is doing a LGB-ANC this summer to top things off.

LGB might end up being one of the last stand for QX CR7 fleet. I can't see rumbling along for 3hrs+ on a Q400.



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User currently offlinemacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5513 times:
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Take the Q400's and put them on RNO-SFO. Someone needs to compete with Star's monopoly from the lake to the Bay. You can fly to OAK, but if you are connecting to an international flight, you have to ride the bus to BART, and then the train around the Bay to SFO. Not very convenient.


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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5494 times:

Quoting macsog6 (Reply 2):

If anything, you'd see QX on RNO-SJC.

SFO at this point had not received the Q400. I'll go along with LAXIntl, that LGB and SFO will be the last CR7 stations standing.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2114 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5419 times:

Quoting macsog6 (Reply 2):
Take the Q400's and put them on RNO-SFO. Someone needs to compete with Star's monopoly from the lake to the Bay.

You can fly WN to SJC and OAK. Not exactly helpful if you're making international connections, but neither would AS/QX because you'd have to reclear security at SFO.

Quoting as739x (Reply 3):
SFO at this point had not received the Q400.

They supposedly got an exception to run the Q400s in and use the AS gates.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Thread starter):
...but if I were going to LGB, I'd just live with the 3 hour Q400 flight, enjoy the free beer and just get where I'm going easily without a long drive in traffic from like LAX or something.

It'd probably be 2:40 on the Q400 ear drum killer, as opposed to 2:20 to SNA. Depending on time of day, the drive from SNA to LGB can take as little as 20 minutes. I've done it this quickly mid-day and of course about 10p. SNA is a far, far, far, far nicer airport than LAX, and is very easy in/out, much like LGB.


User currently onlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5332 times:
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Quoting as739x (Reply 3):

SFO at this point had not received the Q400. I'll go along with LAXIntl, that LGB and SFO will be the last CR7 stations standing.

From what has been said in the forums here, routes that are can not be flown efficiently, AS has signed an agreement with Skywest for them to fly those routes needing the CR7s, i.e., ONT/BUR-PDX and etc.. I can see LGB-SEA being operated for AS by Skywest as well with the CR7.


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5302 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 4):

SFO cleared QX to fly the Q400 in prior to late "09, I was still with AS at the time. Its QX's planning that has note flown the Q's in.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 5):

I'll keep my ear's open. I work for SkyWest and haven't heard anything yet.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2114 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5228 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 5):
From what has been said in the forums here, routes that are can not be flown efficiently, AS has signed an agreement with Skywest for them to fly those routes needing the CR7s, i.e., ONT/BUR-PDX and etc.. I can see LGB-SEA being operated for AS by Skywest as well with the CR7.

I don't think I've seen this mentioned here by anyone reputable...

Besides, doesn't the AS pilot contract/scope clause prevent this from happening?


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5003 times:
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Quoting as739x (Reply 6):
SFO cleared QX to fly the Q400 in prior to late "09, I was still with AS at the time. Its QX's planning that has note flown the Q's in.

The January OAG shows a couple of Q's flying the PDX-SFO flights.


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 870 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4870 times:
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Quoting laca773 (Reply 5):
AS has signed an agreement with Skywest for them to fly those routes needing the CR7s, i.e., ONT/BUR-PDX and etc.. I can see LGB-SEA being operated for AS by Skywest as well with the CR7.

Pure rumor....nothing official.

Tomas SJC



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User currently onlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4861 times:
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Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 9):
Pure rumor....nothing official.

Tomas SJC

Thank you for clarifying, Senor   .


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4817 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 8):

Can you specify which flights and days? I checked AS employee listing and show no Q's in January. Earliest I see them are March. But again, never said they are not coming. Just my opinion is SFO, along with LGB, will be one of the last CR7 destinations.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4689 times:
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Quoting as739x (Reply 11):
Can you specify which flights and days? I checked AS employee listing and show no Q's in January. Earliest I see them are March. But again, never said they are not coming. Just my opinion is SFO, along with LGB, will be one of the last CR7 destinations.

Nevermind...my bad. I thought one of the evening PDX-SFO flights was a Q400 flight, but it flies to OAK. I could see PDX-SFO becoming 2X or 3X 737-700 flights once the CRJ-700's become depleted.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 12):
Nevermind...my bad. I thought one of the evening PDX-SFO flights was a Q400 flight, but it flies to OAK. I could see PDX-SFO becoming 2X or 3X 737-700 flights once the CRJ-700's become depleted.

Interestingly, it does appear that PDX-SFO is in fact going to 2x daily 737-400s in June. Not only that, but for the 3 QX flights, they're going all-Q400. No CR7s going to SFO. Here's some other stuff I found for June:

PDX-OAK: Goes all-CRJ-700 (4)
PDX-SJC: Remains 2 737-800s, 3 QX flights (mix)
PDX-SMF: 1 Q400 changes to CRJ-700
PDX-LAX: Goes all-737-700 (5)
PDX-LAS: Adds 1 737 for the summer (perhaps usual seasonal addition?)
PDX-PHX: Same as PDX-LAS, 1 addition 737
PDX-ANC: 3x daily 737-400s, same as last summer

PDX-KOA appears to end in April... I can't recall, was this seasonal service?

Cheers!
Anthony/Airport


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4601 times:
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Quoting Airport (Reply 13):
PDX-KOA appears to end in April... I can't recall, was this seasonal service?

Yeah...the PDX-KOA service was introduced as seasonal. Although, if loads are consistently good, it could become permanent to some extent.

Quoting Airport (Reply 13):
Interestingly, it does appear that PDX-SFO is in fact going to 2x daily 737-400s in June. Not only that, but for the 3 QX flights, they're going all-Q400. No CR7s going to SFO.

I find it interesting that they are moving the QX ops from OAK to SFO. Although, I imagine all the CRJ-700 stuff could change pretty dramatically if more of them are sold off.


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4594 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 12):

The 73G's are being fazed out. So AS/QX will have to find an even medium between 737's and Q's.



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User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 15):
The 73G's are being fazed out. So AS/QX will have to find an even medium between 737's and Q's.

The 73Gs are being fazed out? Why? It seems like a good fit for lower demand routes. I thought the 400's were being fazed out, not the 700's.


User currently onlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4551 times:
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BUR/ONT-PDX : both continue to operate with 3X daily CR7s.
BUR/ONT-SEA: both continue to operate with 3X daily but instead of a mix of 737s they appear to all be 73Gs at this point.
Does AS place a 73G in these markets this far ahead of time just to have the scheduling in place, and decide to up or down gauge according to demand a couple of months prior. I'm wondering about this as right now SEA-LAX is showing all 734s and we know they use a mix of 734/73G/73H/739s.


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 16):

The -700 has never fit into the fleet plan once the -800 came alone and AS realized how well rounded the plane was. I don;t have access to the fleet info now, but I believe most of the leased 73G have or will be returned soon. EA CO AS should have better info then me.

N629,645,647,648,649 have all returned to leaser



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User currently onlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4549 times:
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Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 16):
The 73Gs are being fazed out? Why? It seems like a good fit for lower demand routes. I thought the 400's were being fazed out, not the 700's.

I was wondering the same thing as they can fly the 73Gs further than the 734s and it allows the flexibility to up & down gauge each flight according to demand each day if necessary.


User currently onlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4544 times:
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Quoting as739x (Reply 18):

The -700 has never fit into the fleet plan once the -800 came alone and AS realized how well rounded the plane was. I don;t have access to the fleet info now, but I believe most of the leased 73G have or will be returned soon. EA CO AS should have better info then me.

N629,645,647,648,649 have all returned to leaser

Are these 73Gs the ones that don't have installed winglets because they are leased?


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 20):

Not on all of them. A few of the leased birds did get winglets before they left. If I remember correctly there was one lease company that did not want them installed.



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User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

I'm not sure if I'd put much faith in the summer schedules, given FAT-SEA/PDX goes to Q's in April, yet the summer shows all -700's... I don't expect that to hold true.

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3073 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 15):
The 73G's are being fazed out.

That's not my understanding. I thought AS was going to keep those 73Gs that they own and only return the leased birds. Their fleet plan shows that they will not reduce any 73Gs in 2011. They will stay with 17.

I know they much prefer the 73H over the 73G and 739, but I understood they'll keep those that they own and have installed winglets on all but one 739 (because it didn't have the structural previsions, presumably).

It is interesting to note that they will end the year with only 24 734s and 58 73Hs. It seems like overnight the 734s became the minority airplane. It used to be rare treat to get a 73H, but now I find it rare to get a 734 these days.

Back to LGB. I guess we'll have to wait and see what AS/QX will do with that station when the CR7s are phased out. Any guesses? I've seen speculation that the station will be phased out, but now they've doubled the frequency instead of reducing it.

I'm of the opinion that the SJC-LGB or SJC-SNA could use another carrier also now that AE/AA and B6 have both dropped that market.

SEA-LGB might be a good place for a few of those smaller 73Gs if they could get the mainline slots back.


User currently offlineSuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 4311 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 9):
Quoting laca773 (Reply 5):
AS has signed an agreement with Skywest for them to fly those routes needing the CR7s, i.e., ONT/BUR-PDX and etc.. I can see LGB-SEA being operated for AS by Skywest as well with the CR7.

Pure rumor....nothing official.

Tomas SJC

True, nothing official. Except Horizon has said they are out of the CR7s by (early) summer. Something has to give. Either these will be Q400s or....


25 chrisair : I think they've been running a 738 PDX-SFO for a little while now. I remember seeing it pop up when I was searching SFO-PDX back in December.
26 as739x : Currently x1 734 daily that does the Cabo turn. All others are CR7
27 hatbutton : See below You are correct. There is no plan to get rid of any of the remaining 73Gs. The fleet will stay at 17 for the foreseeable future unless some
28 wedgetail737 : Is there a possibility that AS might stop returning airplanes and either retain what they have or begin leasing used airplanes...like 73G's? The CRJ-7
29 hatbutton : There are no airplanes scheduled to be returned until September of 2012. Prior to that, 6 73Hs will be coming online.
30 BoeingGuy : Why did AS give up their LGB slots in the first place and turn the route over to QX? They weren't thinking ahead to the CR7 phase out. Seems like SEA
31 LAXintl : You wont see a Q400 at SNA. Its too big for commuter slots, and doubtful they would waste an air-carrier slot on it. I'm sure it was economic. I doub
32 BoeingGuy : Sure about that? I thought QX (not AS) is next on the waiting list for SNA slots. They lost out to WS this year but I understand they are likely to g
33 LAXintl : Yes Horizon currently remains on the wait list for SNA air-carrier slots as a new entrant. Whether they make it in for 2012, 2013 or whenever is unkno
34 BoeingGuy : I'd like to see AS start SJC-SNA with 737s. Yes, I understand that they dropped OAK-SNA, but I believe there is room for some competition on that rout
35 n7371f : Regarding the 73G's... Sometime in early 2010, some Senior VP at Alaska said (during a conference call) that they were looking to off-load several of
36 icebird757 : B6 stopped the route because it was loosing money on the route even with the E190 operating on the route.
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