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Russian Aviation Thread #1 2011  
User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10859 times:

A new year and thus a new Russian Aviation thread!

Some news to kick-start the new thread.

The DME-JFK route by UN is apparently not doing too well as it has been reduced to 2 weekly from 01 FEB. The winter season for RUS-USA traffic is always hard and once again confirmed.

UN3333 DME1800 – 1930JFK 744 57
UN4444 JFK2115 – 1405+1DME 744 57
http://airlineroute.net/2011/01/05/un-jfk-w10update/

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SU will operate the 333s to AYT and the IL-96 to LCA this summer season. http://airlineroute.net/2011/01/03/su-s11-euupdate2/

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And one of the more surprising new routes, UTair will launch daily VKO-HAJ on CR2 in direct competition with Germanwings.
UT721 VKO1110 – 1210HAJ CRJ D
UT722 HAJ1305 – 1805VKO CRJ D
http://airlineroute.net/2011/01/10/ut-vkohaj-s11/

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A happy new year to all of you, с Новым годом!

The previous thread can be found here: Russian Aviation Thread #1 2010 (by Severnaya Nov 15 2010 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlineFedExFlyerPHL From United States of America, joined May 2008, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10741 times:

Thanks for this thread! I am not Russian (although I am trying to learn the language), but I have a very good friend who is, so I have become interested in Russian aviation of late. I enjoyed the last thread and I'm sure this one will be just as interesting. Now I just have to start saving so I can go visit her sometime soon!

Jeff

(Hoping there will be a SU LAX-SVO in my future!)



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User currently offlinekonrad From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10680 times:

Quoting Severnaya (Thread starter):
And one of the more surprising new routes, UTair will launch daily VKO-HAJ on CR2 in direct competition with Germanwings.
UT721 VKO1110 – 1210HAJ CRJ D
UT722 HAJ1305 – 1805VKO CRJ D

That is a mighty long route for a CR2. Imagine three hours inside the flying skidoo.


User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10667 times:

Quoting konrad (Reply 2):
That is a mighty long route for a CR2. Imagine three hours inside the flying skidoo.

It's indeed rather long, but not uncommon, in spring 2009 when LH launched DUS-LED they also started with a CR7.

S7 will be launching one weekly OVB-TXL from 24APR. This is the second connection besides TXL-DME (by AB) to connect the two oneworld carriers.

S7841 OVB0600 – 0725TXL 320 7
S7842 TXL0825 – 1925OVB 320 7
http://airlineroute.net/2011/01/12/s7-ovbtxl-s11/

AB will increase from 28APR TXL-LED to 13 weekly from the current 7 weekly.
The new flight:
AB8486 TXL 2130 - 0140 LED x6
AB8487 LED 0705 - 0720 TXL x7
http://www.russia-ic.com/news/show/11379/

[Edited 2011-01-12 01:46:42]


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11719 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10603 times:

Quoting Severnaya (Thread starter):
SU will operate the 333s to AYT and the IL-96 to LCA this summer season. http://airlineroute.net/2011/01/03/s...ate2/

Does anyone happen to know which tour operator/travel agents are selling flights on this route? I've just checked the SU website and fares are over €500 o/w, so I'm assuming it's being run essentially as a charter flight.

Thanks,


Dan  



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User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10550 times:

Try this: http://www.mostravel.com/contact/
It's owned by TUI.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10498 times:

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 3):
S7 will be launching one weekly OVB-TXL from 24APR. This is the second connection besides TXL-DME (by AB) to connect the two oneworld carriers.

S7842 TXL0825 – 1925OVB 320 7

As much as it does link S7 and AB, I'm guessing the above will be almost all O&D. Do AB even have any flights arriving early enough on Sunday morning into TXL to connect into this?



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User currently offlineCaptainMeeerkat From Russia, joined Aug 2010, 398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10481 times:

Does anyone know if S7 plan to fly to DUB this year again, and possible dates??

Thanks for help!

Ctpn MK



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User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10482 times:

I believe that S7 flght from Novosibirsk is aimed at Russian Germans emigrated.
There was a considerable community in the region of South of West Siberia.


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10453 times:

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 3):
S7 will be launching one weekly OVB-TXL from 24APR. This is the second connection besides TXL-DME (by AB) to connect the two oneworld carriers.

Do S7 and AB codeshare on these routes?

AA1818



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User currently offlineberyllium From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10410 times:

Last year the Russian government announced that SU would merge with several regional carriers (FV among them). Does anybody know what is the current status of that merger project?

User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10394 times:

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 8):
I believe that S7 flght from Novosibirsk is aimed at Russian Germans emigrated.
There was a considerable community in the region of South of West Siberia.

Indeed, they aim at this I believe as well, and they aim on the Russian community around Berlin which is large as well.
Don't forget that the economies of the large Siberian cities are growing quite fast, tourism is booming as well. OVB is the third city of Russia (population wise) and S7 is able to get feed from China and eastern Russia for this flight.

The number of Germany - Siberia flights amazes me, even to cities such as HAJ and OMS.

Quoting beryllium (Reply 10):
Last year the Russian government announced that SU would merge with several regional carriers (FV among them). Does anybody know what is the current status of that merger project?

That is in process, first signs are becoming visible with Rossiya (FV) flying some weekly SVO-SXF flights to optimize aircraft utilization and Nordavia (5N) will be sold to Norilsk Nickel so that FV will be the only SU subsidiary to focus on North & North-Western Russia.

[Edited 2011-01-12 13:39:44]


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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10217 times:

Does someone have more information about the apparent stop since today of the regular schedule of Moscow Airlines? Some charters will be run the next days, however January 17 will be the last day of operations. http://www.travel.ru/news/2011/01/11/186566.html


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User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10092 times:

Looks like the 17th is the doom's day.
Everyone knew it was coming.
Actually it was literally written on airplanes: airline of the government of Moscow.

UTair definitely deserves expansion.
It's a well-run company - and supported by oil/gas region.
In a way UTair reminds me of North-West Airlines - it always tried to live within its means.


User currently offlinetransaeroyyz From Canada, joined Dec 2010, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9946 times:

YYZ-DME Does anyone know % loads, on the route, flying in april to OVB but the week before flight already soldout! Could we see an upgrade to the new 777 coming? fingers crossed. Read on earlier threads that the new 7-3 will also be used on domestic routes, OVB has to be one of them as only VVO, IKT are farther, maybe a stopover.

User currently offlineTU204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1256 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9920 times:

Just saw on the news the Armavia SSJ at Ulyanovsk after a paintjob. Sorry no links, but it said it was the handover ceremony.


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User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9912 times:



Picture taken from avia.ru forum
It had no author.

[Edited 2011-01-15 06:37:33]

User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9899 times:

Why is it called Yuri Gagarin exactly?

Quoting transaeroyyz (Reply 14):
OVB has to be one of them as only VVO, IKT are farther

UN flies domestically to many more destinations which are farther than OVB. They have many flights to the Russian Far East and Eastern Siberia (UUS, VVO, KHV etc) which warrant the 773 more than OVB which is only a 3:30 hour flight.



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User currently offlinetransaeroyyz From Canada, joined Dec 2010, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9864 times:

Quoting Severnaya (Reply 17):
(UUS, VVO, KHV etc) which warrant the 773 more than OVB which is only a 3:30 hour flight.

but OVB is a city with over 1.6 million people, the 3rd largest in russia, it deserves a widebody, OVB-DME flight time is 4 hours, 5 minutes witch is pretty much the limit of the 737, which is twice daily now.


User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9827 times:

I counted 6 direct flight from DME to OVB performed yesterday:
Ural Airlines, S7, UN.
2-3 flights a day from VKO does UTair.
And Aeroflot flies 2 times a day.

With 10 flights a day it's a competative market.
And - yes - frequency does matter.
Another reason: with IL-86 out there is no mid-range w/b aircraft.


User currently offlinetransaeroyyz From Canada, joined Dec 2010, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9798 times:

All A320, 21, 737 flights, putt a 777 there then who would u fly, its a no brainer to capture that segment..

User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9778 times:

Quoting transaeroyyz (Reply 20):
All A320, 21, 737 flights, putt a 777 there then who would u fly, its a no brainer to capture that segment..

No, this makes no sense for the Moscow-Novosibirsk market. It is one of the most competitive domestic Russian routes.

Placing a regular 773 will kill all yield for UN. Keep in mind that just being the 3rd city in Russia doesn't warrant a wide-body whatsoever. The wide-bodies can currently be placed on much more profitable routes than Novosibirsk.

UN currently flies 12 weekly 734/735s between DME-OVB. They would first upgrade the frequency, or swap to a larger aircraft 738, Tu214) and only perhaps then we'll see a 772/773 on the DME-OVB.

And then I didn't elaborate yet on the importance of frequency.

Quoting transaeroyyz (Reply 18):
but OVB is a city with over 1.6 million people, the 3rd largest in russia, it deserves a widebody, OVB-DME flight time is 4 hours, 5 minutes witch is pretty much the limit of the 737, which is twice daily now.

OVB-DME isn't anywhere close to the limits of a 737.
OVB-DME is only 1739mi. The limits of the 737classics are around ~2,500mi, 737NG around ~>3,500mi.



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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9620 times:

Interesting news today from Sukhoi.

Quote:
Mexico's second largest airline, Interjet, signed on Monday a $650 million deal with Superjet International to buy 15 regional Sukhoi Superjet 100 planes.

This is the first delivery contract for Russia's new type of Superjet airplanes to a Latin American country. Under the deal, Interjet may have the option to purchase five more planes.

The first deliveries of Superjet airplanes are expected in the second half of 2012.
http://en.rian.ru/business/20110117/162176094.html

Interesting last piece of information, they're able to get such early slots?



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User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9607 times:

I guess 14 frames in 2011 was a number "to see and watch".
If SSJ is close to specs and good service is provided - they will increaase production.
They have capicities: Ulyanosk plant (where paint job was is supposed to be done) is bagging for more.
If we get some stable flow of orders - they will be able to assign both plants for full production line.

It's a very good news!


User currently offlinecsturdiv From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 1515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9558 times:

I have never been to Russia, but have a keen fascination with Russian aviation and Russian airports, I am mostly interested in KHV as that is where my sister-in-law is from and I have heard many stories about flying there from my brother. I know that one cannot trust Wikipedia, so who operates into KHV? Or does that list look about right?


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25 pylon101 : Khabarovsk is a pretty big hun in the Russian Far East. I know that competition for this route is quite tense. Aeroflot has Airbus 330 on this route,
26 Severnaya : That list looks about right with perhaps a small mistake. SU also operates the IL-96 quite often into KHV, I think even this is even in the winter sc
27 Post contains links and images Severnaya : Some odd rumours in todays RBK Daily. Branson might take part in Red Wings, the general director Teterin is forced to stay at Red Wings despite alread
28 csturdiv : Thanks for the info. I wish I was flying there, I have been invited, but right now the money is kind of tight and I cannot leave work. When my brothe
29 ju068 : Maybe someone gave their own slots? In the recent interview with the CEO of Jat he stated that they will be canceling some routes that are not making
30 pylon101 : Ah, JU068... Pan-Slavism was and is an illusion as it was proved within last 20 years. Mind economy, JAT. Though it would look great in JAT livery!
31 Post contains links and images Severnaya : Yes, I'm almost sure they have taken over the ItaliAirlines slots as they've been removed/on hold from the order-book. Their 737s are getting really
32 Post contains links Severnaya : Avianova will launch Tyumen & Surgut from SVO. Also TJM-SGC-TJM will be launched at the same time. Initial plans are for 3 times weekly. http://ww
33 kogge : A recent ILFC press release mentioned new leases of one A321 to Vyborg Airlines, one B.777-200 to Orenair, 4 B.787 to Aeroflot and one A319 to S7. Won
34 Severnaya : I read about the lease as well, but didn't know they're aligned with Coral Travels. If that is true they might have a future, I thought they weren't
35 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Very strange indeed, Orenburg isn't that big a market. Maybe they could employ something that big on charters to Greece/Turkey/Egypt over the summer,
36 kogge : see press release on ILFC.com. This is most probably a used airplane. Orenair is THE russian charter airline. Probably 90% of all flights operated by
37 ju068 : I guess pan-Slavism or not the Sukhoi jet would be extremly useful to Jat. First of all, they can get it much faster than the Embraers and second of
38 Post contains links and images Severnaya : Big news today! The SSJ-100 has obtained its type certificate from MAK. Also Sukhoi was awarded the certificate of Civilian aircraft producer. Februar
39 ju068 : Oh... no doubt bout that!! Like I previously mentioned, they never found the adequate replacement for their DC-9 fleet. The problem being that it was
40 LipeGIG : In the other hand it seems that the DME-GIG route is doing very well with first three weekly flights performing 85%+ loads. Hope it returns next IATA
41 Post contains links ChicagoFlyer : Here's an interesting article on revenue performance of Russian airlines vs US ones: http://www.ato.ru/content/stoimost-a...khody-naseleniya-sotsialny
42 Severnaya : I heard the same good numbers, I think we might see this one back next winter schedule. Thanks for sharing that! Very interesting article. Avianova i
43 r2rho : Great news, just as was being expected these days. So service entry with Armavia should be just around the corner. This will help a lot for the progr
44 Post contains links and images Severnaya : Oman Air will launch a route to Moscow DME. Interesting route! I'm unfamiliar with Oman Air, does it connect to Africa/Asia? WY171 MCT1050 – 1525DME
45 EDLP_TOM : SU changes summertimetable SVO-AYT: SU 209 X13 SVO AYT 0640 0905 0 28MAY11 25SEP11 IL9 SU 221 D SVO AYT 1215 1435 0 29APR11 09OCT11 333 SU 223 X13 SVO
46 Post contains links Severnaya : Last year there were some IL9 as well. AB will launch STR-DME and STR-LED from May 1st. AB8438 STR0915 – 1425DME 320 7 AB8438 STR1030 – 1535DME 3
47 Post contains links and images Severnaya : Yakutia finally received last week their 738 which was already for a very long time at QLA after a paint in EMA. Anyone know why this took so long and
48 kogge : I also thought that Transaero transports more charter pax than Orenair, but there is an article in Kommersant today. Translation by babelfish: Leader
49 dazeflight : Lovely. I just hope Aeroexpress will add some late-night-airport departures, that would make the inbound flight much more usable.
50 Severnaya : Yeah, they have some late-night departures, however not those ones departing around 1am or 2am which would suit much more. I wonder why there isn't a
51 dazeflight : I guess because they want to fit into the metro schedule. The last train departing SVO arrives at 0.35, enough time to reach much of the city from Be
52 Post contains links Severnaya : AF adds one extra daily frequency on CDG-SVO, making it five daily in total for S11. AF1644 CDG0715 – 1255SVO 319 D AF1645 SVO1355 – 1550CDG 319 D
53 Tu204 : When was the last time you saw a marshrutka at 1 in the morning? You cannot even get from a downtown bar or club to my house (Dinamo, not far from Be
54 Severnaya : They aren't driving at least with some low frequency to the airports? That surprises me, especially for MOS. In the summer marshrutkas in SPb are ope
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