No. Actually it is QF that is responding, although this has been tossed about for some time. They've already announced IAH-AKL when they get 787s. Both routes will have relatively little O&D and will be made viable by having hubs on both ends.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19937 times:
They dont have anything that can do SYD-DFW non-stop with a decent payload I dont think so it would have to go via BNE in any case I'd have thought. Even then would have to be 744/744ER and I'm not sure its workable with such a big plane. This route has 789 written all over it - i'd be very surprised if they did it before getting them, but hell, I've been wrong before.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11522 posts, RR: 61
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19858 times:
While intrigued, I'll wait for press reporting and official confirmation. Would be incredible, though - and long overdue.
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3): I can see SYD, even though I have doubts about filling an A380 but three weekly might be doable. But I don't know about BNE unless I'm missing something.
DFW-SYD would be a huge winner - and link together Australia's largest network with the U.S.' second largest hub. It would open up massive amounts of new connections to cities across the U.S., and take some pressure off the massively-successful AA-QF connecting complex at LAX. I, too, believe that an A380 is quite large for the route, but at only 3-4x weekly, I think it would be completely economically doable.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 4): What are they going to use as equipment? Can an A330-200HGW make the run?
I believe - could be wrong - that the only QF plane currently in service capable of doing this route is an A380.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
What are they going to use as equipment?
Gonna have to be an A380 probably if they are starting in May. Maybe a 744ER, but I don't know for sure.
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3): I don't know about BNE unless I'm missing something.
I did miss something: the range difference. It isn't a lot, but it might make the difference. To put it into perspective, BNE-DFW is just slightly longer than DXB-LAX but flying nonstop from SYD is 280 miles longer. I don't know where the A380 production stands at this point, but with a few tweaks I think an A380 can do it. With engines that work as advertised, of course.
jetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19789 times:
I would like to know what the good authority is. BNE and SYD I do not believe. And what with?
SYD-DFW is 8600 miles. I dont have performance charts but I think this would mean a maximum structural payload around 80,000kg on an A380 and really question if its on the edge of being viable.
Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8084 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 19029 times:
I would think they'll use the 747-400ER. The incoming A380s are freeing up 747 capacity, and that includes the ERs on the Transpacific routes.
As an aside, I saw a pic of poor old Nancy Bird at the Qantas Jetbase at SYD in a news story about the resumption of A380s to LAX. I am sure she hasn't taken to the air since the mid-air accident in November; anyone know the latest about getting her home / to Toulouse / to the great Coke Can In The Sky?
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macsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 19014 times:
Quoting 777STL (Reply 14): Then again, we've been hearing this rumor for the past 5 years.
Been around longer than that. When I moved to Sydney in 1998 the rumor was that non-stop DFW would soon start. I kept wondering what aircraft they were going to use, but the rumor was alive and well then.
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777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3608 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 18936 times:
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 16): As an aside, I saw a pic of poor old Nancy Bird at the Qantas Jetbase at SYD in a news story about the resumption of A380s to LAX. I am sure she hasn't taken to the air since the mid-air accident in November; anyone know the latest about getting her home / to Toulouse / to the great Coke Can In The Sky?
I had read somewhere that she was going to be repaired but the repairs are obviously going to be extensive, expensive and time consuming.
I didn't know she had been ferried back to SYD though, I thought she was going to be repaired in Singapore?
mogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 18738 times:
BNE-DFW - no!
SYD-DFW - right concept but no one has the right plane (8578mi from GCMap.com)
it's a perfect route for 789 or 77L. 744ER is quite a lot of plane for the route (and will still choke on the westbound), and 3x weekly is uncompetitive.
ULH on flights with minimal O&D and some function of cannibalization (Aus-SFO/LAX) just doesn't sound too smart. Upping SYD-SFO frequency or opening up either BNE-SFO or MEL-SFO makes more sense if you have idle capacity.
txjim From United States of America, joined May 2008, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 18649 times:
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 19): Yes, but we have to remember here that Terminal D at DFW Airport is presently not capable (infrastructure-wise) of parking an A380 at one of its gates...correct me if I'm wrong.
Quote: The DFW Airport airfield currently accommodates scheduled service by aircraft no larger than Airplane Design Group (ADG) V. Though DFW Airport can accommodate non-scheduled ADG VI (aircraft such as the A380 or B-747-8) operations with significant restrictions, an analysis was conducted to identify the necessary measures required for ADG VI aircraft to safely and efficiently operate scheduled passenger and cargo service at DFW Airport.
FRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 18225 times:
This is the first time it's been announced with some muscle behind it, but I've heard these rumors for years. There had been talk of starting a SYD-DFW QF flight (whether direct or not) back in the mid 2000's when QF ordered their A380s... I just remember being picked up at DFW back in 2005 by my sister's boyfriend (now brother-in-law) and him mentioning that he saw an article in the newspaper talking about a potential direct DFW-Australia flight on QF when QF got their A380s... I hope these rumors become true as that would be a beautiful beast at Terminal D!
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SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3471 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 18206 times:
I don't believe this rumor at all. SYD-DFW is not going to be operated nonstop, at least not in both directions. QF has no aircraft capable of operating such a route, and a tech-stop on the West bound flight would render it useless, especially at only 3 times per week. I'll believe it when a press release is put out. And a May start, that's rather soon for such a prestigious and long-awaited route to be started with absolutely no press or booking availability.
: That's the exact reason to start the route. OneWorld connections that have needed to happen for a while. I think only if you want to take a swim. If
: I mentioned this earlier but I'll bring it up again...why can't they just use one of their 744's that sit all day in the US and send one on, for examp
: But why do this when there are something like 17 daily AA flights on LAX-DFW and since QF can't have local rights on this route? The situation with J
: The A380 got knocked to it's knee's LAX -SYD/MEL at the loss of 2000lbs of thrust for what is ~ 7200 to 7400nm ESAD depending on the day. DFW-SYD is a