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MCO And SkyTeam  
User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 866 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

I find it interesting that MCO does not have a larger SkyTeam presence. Except for DL, AM and AF (starting in June) there aren't any other SkyTeam members serving MCO.

MCO is a huge turist destination. While I understand that these are leisure travelers and prices would have to be low, it certainly has the loads.

I would think that Alitatia could bring one of their A330's here from Milan or Rome and KLM could take over the Martinair route to AMS. Aerolineas Argentina (since they are joining SkyTeam) could also open a route to Argentina as there are not really any good SkyTeam connections there either.

I understand that it would not make too much sense for DL to do TATL from MCO because of MCO's close proximity to ATL, but I am sure that SkyTeam carriers could codeshare to connect through MCO to US served by DL from MCO. Quite honestly, I am sure that travelers familiar with ATL would much prefer MCO over ATL connectinve any day.

Any thoughts?

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3491 times:

Alitalia and, soon, KLM serve Miami. There is no reason for them to fly to Orlando, a low-yield tourist destination. Not to mention there is barely a market for Orlando-Italy.

The market from Orlando to Europe is also very concentrated on the United Kingdom, with the Netherlands, Germany and Ireland also being decent.

With Martinair Holland leaving MCO, Air France Group is bringing Air France to MCO and KLM to MIA to fill the gap.

Furtheremore, Delta's presence in Orlando has dwindled considerably. Where do you expect people would connect? Boston and other Delta hubs? There is little point-to-point routes left for Delta out of MCO.

Delta is actually launching MCO-MIA flights in late March that connect to the Delta, KLM and Alitalia flights out of MIA and offer an alternative to Atlanta.

Skyteam is actually in the early stages of building a Florida transit hub. It's just not going to be MCO.

[Edited 2011-01-12 20:38:12]


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User currently offlineburj From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 900 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

There are FAR more connections possible through DL's mega hub at ATL than MCO....and the higher yield from business travelers make ATL a far better choice than MCO for non-DL SkyTeam members who can then code share on the DL ATL-MCO flights to cater to the tourists...

User currently onlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7006 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

Quoting fpetrutiu (Thread starter):
While I understand that these are leisure travelers and prices would have to be low, it certainly has the loads.

This is the huge reason why. No cargo and no high paying passengers.

Quoting fpetrutiu (Thread starter):
ut I am sure that SkyTeam carriers could codeshare to connect through MCO to US served by DL from MCO

Where? There are 4 point to point services from MCO to other US destinations.



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Furtheremore, Delta's presence in Orlando has dwindled considerably. Where do you expect people would connect? Boston and other Delta hubs? There is little point-to-point routes left for Delta out of MCO.

DL is growing again slowly - adding or bringing back some previous destinations like DCA, MIA, RDU. There is talk about bringing in more RJs also again to the small southeast markets again.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 4):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Furtheremore, Delta's presence in Orlando has dwindled considerably. Where do you expect people would connect? Boston and other Delta hubs? There is little point-to-point routes left for Delta out of MCO.

DL is growing again slowly - adding or bringing back some previous destinations like DCA, MIA, RDU.

Is that really "growth" focused at MCO or is it growth at DCA, MIA and RDU? The answer is the latter, not the former. Delta has been building up its point-to-point networks from DCA, MIA and RDU. MCO is a natural candidate for services to those cities. I truly doubt any Southeast service is going to return, Allegiant and AirTran have that market very well covered.



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User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 3):
Where? There are 4 point to point services from MCO to other US destinations.

LAX. LAS, SLC. MSP, DTW, CVG, BOS, DCA, RDU, MEM for the US Mexico City, Cancun for Mexico.

I am a business traveller, and HATE connecting through ATL. I would avoid it at all cost. I acctually just paid $2300 to fly Lufthansa instead of DL to Munich because all they would offer was ATL. (I would have had a free ticket on DL with my miles)


User currently onlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7006 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 2405 times:

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 6):
LAX. LAS, SLC. MSP, DTW, CVG, BOS, DCA, RDU, MEM for the US Mexico City, Cancun for Mexico.

LAX- Has non-stop service to Europe with skyteam
LAS has non-stop service to Europe but LAS could be one.
SLC- Has non-stop service to Europe with DL
MSP,DTW,CVG,MEM all DL hubs and have Non-stop service to Europe with DL or skyteam.
DCA and RDU yea sure but the connection makes a lot more sense from JFK or ATL. Of course IAD has non-stop service to Europe with skyteam.
BOS non-stop service to Europe with DL.
CUN is seasonal and MEX is no longer a destination. Also you missed BDL and service to MIA starts soon.
So you think it makes sense to add service long haul service to MCO to connect to DL hubs, places DL already has service to Europe from. There is LAS, RDU, BDL and seasonal service to CUN. Not exactly a large amount of connections there.



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