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It's Official - QF To DFW And Drops SFO - Part 1  
User currently offlineAlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 237 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 34778 times:

QF has just confirmed DFW services and unfortunately will drop SFO from 14MAY11.

This was exclusively revealed by Australia's Travel Daily yesterday and is now officially confirmed by a QF release.

Here is the press release:

QANTAS TO LAUNCH SERVICES TO DALLAS/FORT WORTH FROM
SYDNEY, STRENGTHEN TIES WITH AMERICAN AIRLINES
SYDNEY, 14 January 2011: Qantas today announced it will launch direct services
from Sydney to Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport (DFW) from 16 May 2011,
giving Australians unprecedented access to destinations across the United States.
The route will see Qantas operate direct outbound flights from Sydney to DFW (as
QF7), returning to Sydney via Brisbane (as QF8). DFW is the primary hub of Qantas'
fellow oneworld alliance member, American Airlines, and the two carriers will soon
seek to expand their commercial relationship.
Qantas will offer four return flights to DFW each week, featuring a three-class Boeing
747 aircraft. Direct Sydney-San Francisco (SFO) services will be discontinued on 14
May 2011, but SFO will remain part of Qantas’ network as a codeshare destination.
Qantas Chief Executive Officer, Mr Alan Joyce, said DFW will be an excellent
addition to the Qantas network and enable Qantas to strengthen its relationship with
American Airlines.
“This new service is great news for both Australian and American travellers,” Mr
Joyce said. “It will connect Qantas customers to one of the USA’s major hub
airports, benefitting both business and leisure travellers. Flying to DFW is an
important step for Qantas as we expand and improve our international services.”
DFW is the fourth-largest and fastest-growing metropolitan area in the United States
and an important centre of business and tourism. It welcomed over 56 million
passengers in 2009, with 59 per cent of those passengers continuing onward to other
destinations.
From DFW, American Airlines and its regional airline partner, American Eagle,
operate nearly 750 flights to 186 destinations worldwide. DFW is American’s largest
hub and it offers easy connections to American’s four other cornerstone markets of
Chicago, Miami, New York and Los Angeles.
“Alongside our entry into DFW, Qantas and American Airlines intend to deepen their
existing relationship and will be seeking regulatory approval from the Australian
Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) and other relevant authorities for
this expanded commercial relationship,” Mr Joyce said.
“We have worked closely with American Airlines over many years, and with the
commencement of services to Dallas/Fort Worth we look forward to taking our
partnership to a new level and providing new and enhanced benefits for consumers
in Australia and the United States.”
The enhanced commercial agreement between American Airlines and Qantas will
involve coordination of operations between Australia/New Zealand and the United
States and deliver considerable benefits for Australian and US consumers. It will
give Qantas a stronger and more balanced network footprint in the United States and
provide more choice and convenience for travellers.
2
Thirteen new US destinations and three Mexican destinations* will join the Qantas
network through new American Airlines-operated codeshare services, meaning
Qantas will codeshare with AA to a total of 51 destinations in the US, Canada and
Mexico.
Once the new alliance comes into place, it will provide a joint platform for the airlines
to increase DFW services to a daily frequency.
“We welcome the addition of services to Australia at DFW by our valued oneworld
partner, Qantas,” said Gerard Arpey, American’s Chairman and Chief Executive
Officer. “An expanded relationship and deeper commercial cooperation with the
premier Australian carrier will benefit consumers, the employees, shareholders and
financial supporters of both airlines and will greatly enhance the services offered to
passengers by oneworld carriers.”
As part of the new commercial arrangement, AAVacations, the wholly owned tour
operator of American Airlines, will look to launch a comprehensive range of
Australian and Asia-Pacific land, air and integrated vacations for the US market,
designed to grow US leisure travel to Australia and the region.
In further positive news for Australian and US travellers, Qantas will also increase the
frequency of its Los Angeles-New York service (QF107/108) from six times per week
to daily, from June 2011.
* In the U.S: Albuquerque, Boise, Cleveland, Washington DC (Reagan National), El
Paso, New York (LaGuardia), Kansas City, Oklahoma, Phoenix, San Antonio, Salt
Lake City, Sacramento, Tucson. In Mexico: Cancun, Guadalajara, Mexico City.

[Edited 2011-01-13 15:21:02]


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 34777 times:

Incredible!

About time - very exciting news for DFW.

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Thread starter):
“Alongside our entry into DFW, Qantas and American Airlines intend to deepen their
existing relationship and will be seeking regulatory approval from the Australian
Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) and other relevant authorities for
this expanded commercial relationship,” Mr Joyce said.

I was expecting that a QF DFW-SYD flight would precipitate an ATI/JV request. AA sends a fair amount of traffic from DFW to SYD/Australia, and I suspect that they wanted to keep that revenue via an ATI/JV vehicle rather than see a huge chunk of it shift to QF once QF begins operating nonstop/direct flights.

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Thread starter):
Once the new alliance comes into place, it will provide a joint platform for the airlines
to increase DFW services to a daily frequency.

Very cool!

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Thread starter):
In further positive news for Australian and US travellers, Qantas will also increase the
frequency of its Los Angeles-New York service (QF107/108) from six times per week
to daily, from June 2011.

Also good.

[Edited 2011-01-13 15:22:58]

User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 34763 times:

Interesting - I wonder how long this flight will be, longer than the route to LAX ?

Wrighbrothers



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2878 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 34730 times:

I assume they'll use the 747-400ER (a.k.a. the 910K increased gross weight).

Too bad about SFO being dropped. Recall that SFO used to be QF's only US destination years ago. They added LAX later. They served both for awhile, but then eventually dropped SFO. Same with PR and CI. They originally served SFO long before LAX.


User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 34732 times:
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Wow this is crazy----those SFO to Sydney flights are always packed.....let us hope that this service will be replaced quickly----a real shame......

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16927 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 34478 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 4):
Wow this is crazy----those SFO to Sydney flights are always packed.....let us hope that this service will be replaced quickly----a real shame......

And the carrier with no PTVs is still flying it   



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User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 791 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 34458 times:

The flights are now on sale on Qantas.com.

Kind Regards
ThomasCook



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 34342 times:

Interesting news. I think we all knew that this was bound to happen. And, with COs announcement of IAH-AKL earlier this year, it was only a matter of time before QF/AA decided to get in on the game as a counterweight. This should do well given the hubs on both ends. SFO is a bit of a surprise, but this does allow QF to consolidate their US operations at Oneworld hubs, leaving SFO to Star.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
And the carrier with no PTVs is still flying it

Funny how that works out. Sort of like when LH was flying around without PTVs in Y while simultaneously announcing huge profits.



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2169 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 34307 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 4):
Wow this is crazy----those SFO to Sydney flights are always packed.....let us hope that this service will be replaced quickly----a real shame......

But in today's environment, hub-to-hub is the way to go over direct flights to 'historic' or 'prestigious' destinations. The demand for both low fares and increased frequency both dictate such.



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User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 658 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 34305 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
And the carrier with no PTVs is still flying it

HAHA! That was my first thought too (well, about UA being the surviving carrier on the SFO-SYD route, not necessarily the fact that they offer a cr*p economy product, although that is also true).

I am sure Willis Tower is thrilled to have the SFO-SYD route to themselves again. As if this flight weren't already hard enough to get on already... Now can we PLEASE upgrade the in-flight economy product?!? Thanks bunches!



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User currently offlineJalapeno From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 34272 times:

AWESOME!!! SOOO EXCITED - WOW!!!!

Was hoping to live to see the day   Hoping for the 380, I'll settle for the 74!


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32172 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 34149 times:

Schedule:

QF 007 SYD 1325-1350 DFW 744 xTuThSu
QF 008 DFW 2200-0500+2 BNE 0630-0805 SYD 744 xTuThSu

I am willing to bet CO's IAH-AKL announcement helped finally push Qantas over the edge in starting this route.



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User currently offlinemacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 34087 times:
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Quoting UALFAson (Reply 9):
I am sure Willis Tower is thrilled to have the SFO-SYD route to themselves again

Oh well, back down to LAX to catch QF again. This really surprised me.



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User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 788 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 33990 times:

Wow, this will be great for so many people in the eastern 2/3 of the country that can connect through DFW rather than the west coast. I guess the information leaked before the big announcement but I thought we would have first heard about this via a huge announcement at DFW, with mayors of Dallas/Ft. Worth joining in, etc.

I dunno, it just seems like a strange way to hear about the flight and also a somewhat short 4-month time period to get the word out, prepare for the flight on both ends, etc. But maybe folks involved in this know more than I do about how/when to start int'l. flights.


User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 33907 times:

dfwairport.com still has nothing about this - their biggest new route in years.

User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 788 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 33790 times:

I'm not sure how this guy knows that "DFW Airport just confirmed the flight" but the Dallas Morning News' airline blogger wrote the following a short while ago:

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/a...antas-airways-dfw-flights-are.html


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5993 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 33784 times:

Well that will open the door for V Australia at SFO


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User currently offlinetimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6704 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 33748 times:

The press release doesn't say it's nonstop-- but it is?

Eastward nonstop is the longest ever for a 747?

[Edited 2011-01-13 16:16:37]

User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 33676 times:

Quoting Bartond (Reply 15):
"DFW Airport just confirmed the flight"

Probably this press release from DFW Airport:

DFW International Airport
Public Affairs Department

DFW International Airport Connects Down Under with New Qantas Airways Service to Sydney and Brisbane, Australia

Renowned international carrier to establish first nonstop passenger connection from North Texas to Australia

(DFW AIRPORT, TX – January 13, 2011) – DFW International Airport today announced that Qantas Airways Ltd., the national airline of Australia, will begin nonstop service from Sydney to Dallas-Fort Worth with four flights a week starting on May 16, 2011. The Qantas direct flight from DFW to Sydney will include a stop in Brisbane, Australia, giving DFW passengers unprecedented access to Australia and the South Pacific. Qantas will operate the new service to Dallas-Fort Worth utilizing Boeing 747-400 aircraft.

“We are truly excited to have this new Qantas service to Australia as part of DFW’s growing global network,” said Jeff Fegan, Chief Executive Officer of DFW International Airport. “This new service is a testament to the strength of the Dallas-Fort Worth business environment and the Airport’s dedication to a world class travel experience. We look forward to demonstrating our outstanding Texas hospitality to Qantas passengers from our internationally renowned Terminal D.”

“This new service is great news for both Australian and American travellers,” said Qantas Chief Executive Officer Alan Joyce. “It will connect Qantas customers to one of the USA’s major hub airports, benefitting both business and leisure travellers. Flying to DFW is an important step for Qantas as we expand and improve our international services.”

As a oneworld Alliance partner, Qantas will offer codeshare benefits with passengers of American Airlines and other oneworld partners.

“We welcome the addition of services to Australia at DFW by our valued oneworld partner, Qantas,” said Gerard Arpey, American’s Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. “An expanded relationship and deeper commercial cooperation with the premier Australian carrier will benefit consumers, the employees, shareholders and financial supporters of both airlines and will greatly enhance the services offered to passengers by oneworld carriers.”

Qantas operates its main hub in Sydney, and serves 18 destinations in Australia and 21 international destinations around the world in addition to DFW.

“Clearly this is terrific news for all of North Texas,” said Dallas Mayor Tom Leppert. “Having a premier international carrier like Qantas offer service to Australia from DFW is a major boost to both tourism and commerce. We all look forward to the launch of these new flights.”

The Qantas service to Sydney and Brisbane will bring an estimated annual economic impact of $130 million to the North Texas region.

“News of flights between DFW and Australia is a great way to start 2011,” said Fort Worth Mayor Mike Moncrief. “We believe the Qantas service will be a tremendous boon for the people of our region. It will be more efficient for passengers who want to visit Australia and for local companies that want to do business there.”

The additions of Sydney and Brisbane bring the total number of destinations served or announced from DFW to 188 cities, including 144 domestic and 44 international destinations.

[Edited 2011-01-13 16:25:00]

User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 33681 times:

Quoting timz (Reply 17):

It's nonstop SYD-DFW, but stops at BNE on the return leg.



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User currently offlineYYZALA From Canada, joined Nov 2009, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 33653 times:

At 7454 nm (still air) for a 747, that is mighty impressive. How long will the flight be? I wonder why AA didn't launch this route with the 77E?

User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 33602 times:

Quoting YYZALA (Reply 20):
I wonder why AA didn't launch this route with the 77E?

Their pilots would have scuttled it, just as they did with DFW-China service. Flights are too long for the current contract.


User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 33526 times:

Great news!

It seems that OneWorld has finally realised that they need to maximize to the maximum degree the collaboration between all their members.

Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Thread starter):
The enhanced commercial agreement between American Airlines and Qantas will
involve coordination of operations between Australia/New Zealand and the United
States and deliver considerable benefits for Australian and US consumers. It will
give Qantas a stronger and more balanced network footprint in the United States and
provide more choice and convenience for travellers.
Quoting AlitaliaDC10 (Thread starter):
%u201CAlongside our entry into DFW, Qantas and American Airlines intend to deepen their
existing relationship and will be seeking regulatory approval from the Australian
Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) and other relevant authorities for
this expanded commercial relationship,%u201D Mr Joyce said.

Does this mean they are going to apply for ATI?

The long-haul destinations from DFW are quite impressive

http://tinyurl.com/6e7ndan


User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 791 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 33521 times:

It appears to be a 3 class B747 (J/W/Y) which are all non ERs.

ThomasCook



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4773 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (3 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 33461 times:

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 2):
Interesting - I wonder how long this flight will be, longer than the route to LAX ?

15-16 hours in each direction (tail winds from SYD making for a smaller ESAD, Head winds on the DFW-BNE making the shorter distance a longer ESAD).



54 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
25 BMI727 : And it is ~700 NM farther than EWR-BOM, so an ER probably couldn't carry that much payload. Also, the route to SYD crosses a bit of airspace that is
26 AlitaliaDC10 : Hi ThomasCook, Where possible GE powered ERs will be used (RR powered 744s is really pushing it for the DFW-BNE leg without payload restrictions) - t
27 Post contains images gemuser : Still no press release on qantas.com.au but it IS showing in the online timetable! AT last - NOW I'm excited BUT: QF has been known to cancel new rout
28 MAH4546 : For an airport and city of its size, its not in terms purely of number of destinations. Says who? The pilots had a very unique opportunity to make a
29 sccutler : This is marvelous news for north Texas, QF, AA, and all who have to travel from the eastern regions to Australia. I'll be able to fly DFW-ADL (family
30 Bartond : It will be so neat to see that big red tail at Terminal D from 150pm - 1020pm every day. Lots of chances to see it and it will make DFW look more like
31 Post contains links legacyins : It's showing on their US site. http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/home/us/en
32 smi0006 : When will these aircraft be refitted with the upgraded sky bed and economy seats along with the removal of first? I was under the impresion it was to
33 allrite : I wonder if SFO will restart as a priority once Qantas gets its 787s.
34 aa61hvy : I'd love to see that bad boy take off from DFW during one of those hot August summer nights! Great for DFW.
35 yeogeo : Currently the SYD-LAX flight is # 24 worldwide at 6507nm. Here's the top 20 with the new flights inserted: 1 SINº-EWRº 8285 SQˇ 345 2 SIN-LAXº 76
36 BoeingGuy : Not everyone will agree, but DFW is my favorite airport to connect in. I fly AA through DFW anytime I fly to, say, South America. Clearing Customs at
37 gemuser : It's four weekly, not Tue, Thr, Sun, for a nominal 1.2 aircraft. In practical terms I assume that's 1.5 aircraft. Gemuser
38 AlitaliaDC10 : True - the QF93/QF94 flights MEL-LAX-ORD come to mind...not to mention the SYD-AKL-DFW flights announced back in 2000 (or 2001?) for the 744ERs. I th
39 Post contains images QFA787380 : Sounds like the ideal route for the 77L. Oh, I forgot, QF didn't order the 777
40 Bartond : I was waiting for you or someone to come in and rain on the parade. Now show us a map of Miami and all of the wonderful destinations served from it.
41 Post contains images Airvan00 : Sounds like and ideal route for a A380 Any bets on when the 744ER's will be replaced by the A380
42 Post contains images PITrules : +1. Is this simply a matter of robbing Peter to pay Paul as far as aircraft availability? Or does the SFO service really not make enough $$$ for QF?
43 ikramerica : It most definitely is and makes more sense. No way the flying time going West, against the wind and with a stop including an additional approach and
44 BoeingGuy : It's debatable which has more "impressive" destinations, but I can sure tell you which airport is nicer and which airport is far far easier to clear
45 Airvan00 : The Flight times (really push back to nose in ) on the Qantas schedule (which take into account the pesky confusion of Daylight saving) have the follo
46 us330 : How will the scheduling of flights affect crew rest? Will the tuesday crew operate the thursday flight, the thursday crew the saturday flight, etc? I
47 N593HA : As many have said in this thread before it surprise me that QF drops SFO. Once QF receives 787, SFO may be back, but I have the feeling that the 787 o
48 mogandoCI : let's hope UA fills the gap and increase SFO-SYD frequency, or maybe take a direct stab and open up SFO-MEL (although none of their current fleet is r
49 fab747 : Great news as QF adds DFW to its network. SFO will eventually go to Jetstar once they receive their 787s. That's the rumour of the moment according to
50 Post contains images gdg9 : If I recall correctly, the pilots made a stink about a flight that was 30 minutes longer than the contract allowed. I may well be wrong. They made a
51 Post contains images StuckInCA : Even if it is longer, it might be worth it to avoid that much time on an airplane full of Southern Californians.
52 kiwiandrew : OK , I admit it , I was skeptical and thought that this service would never be officially launched ..... I guess I better go off and eat a large helpi
53 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : And anyone who disagrees with you is flat out wrong. DFW is a marvelous airport to connect in, domestically or internationally. Terminal D is a work
54 mogandoCI : maybe it makes sense to ULH feed into AA's hub over a city with more O&D, but i'd consider lowering SFO's frequency instead of dropping it comple
55 ikramerica : Does anyone think the tits-up QF A380, leaving QF 1 A380 short, has lead to the cancellation of SFO? If the plan was to move the 744ER to DFW and they
56 thenoflyzone : I fail to see how QF will make money on this route. It's simply too long for any equipment QF has right now. Even the longest flight on a 77L (DL ATL-
57 aa61hvy : At least you have the class of admitting you were wrong. There are some clowns on Anet who always said this wouldn't happen--they are mysteriously ab
58 Airvan00 : More likely the delays to the B787. The 744ER's are not needed to SFO but are needed for LAX-MEL and by May will be replaced by A380's so 2 spare 744
59 Post contains images commavia : Couldn't agree more with both of you. It's my home airport, so I'm definitely biased. But, that being said, I have myself flown through (according to
60 slcdeltarumd11 : This is HUGE. I bet alot of passengers that had to double connect at LAX will really be happy by this. Great addition and the AA feed should make this
61 flymia : No one said this is not good for DFW. But for the size of the airport and city it is true DFW does not have that many long haul or international dest
62 Post contains links and images OA412 : [ I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to take both of your comments with a grain of salt. After all, when it comes to Texas, there's no accounting for ta
63 peanuts : But why? Does AKL=SYD? SYD appears to be stronger for the O&D portion of the traffic so SYD-DFW has to be the stronger route compared to AKL-IAH.
64 Threepoint : At the risk of splitting hairs, it'll remain 7454 nm in still air or howling winds. But I know what you meant. Er, BNE is a destination from DFW; the
65 Post contains images LAXintl : Maybe packed, but ain't covering the bills obviously. SFO can be a hard market. Its significantly smaller than LAX and has a strong home carrier. AA
66 Airvan00 : It's not good in parts at the moment but will be fine in May. Don't forget the flooding in Brisbane is only occurring in places where it should flood
67 blink182 : How will the BNE stopover be handled? Will all ex-DFW pax be required to clear customs and immigration before resuming to SYD, thus basically making
68 Aware : Why schedule the SYD-DFW to arrive so late into DFW - a brave person to book a connecting flight much before 4pm I would have thought. Could leave thr
69 zeke : Yes, I think DFW will be the next port the A380 will serve in the USA as QF builds the new route and retires the 744s.
70 gdg9 : I've been hearing this rumor for years, and even today, thought it was the same old nonsense. I am pleasantly surprised it is a rumor no more! I was
71 DavidByrne : I'm wondering whether NZ had some kind of advance intelligence of the QF move to switch from SFO to DFW. During 2011 they ramp up their AKL-SFO flight
72 DFWneedsQF : All I can say is I think my screen name says it all. I've Only had it for a few years! YAY Qantas
73 Post contains images Longhornmaniac : You finally got your wish! This is awesome news for DFW, and indeed for AA in general. LAX can just be an absolute nightmare to transit, and this rea
74 Airvan00 : Australia is like the rest of the world (except the US). Pax will clear customs at either BNE or SYD. So if heading for Cairns they will get off in B
75 gemuser : I assume standard procedures will apply, which means that pax destined for BNE or connecting there will clear Immigration & Customs, all other pa
76 Post contains images peanuts : LOL. I just got a kick out of this post. How is this: Anything like this?: Looks to me Australia got its own rules and........exceptions.
77 DocLightning : NOT cool QF. NOT COOL. Apparently packed-full 744's to SFO just aren't good enough. And that screws us at SFO because now our only nonstop is on UA, w
78 LAXintl : If true its an odd way to do business. Its going to be a much steeper marketing curve to launch Jetstar from scratch at SFO then transition it from a
79 Bartond : I think it's really interesting - the talk of CO/NZ possibly knowing that QF had plans for DFW and that's why they started CO IAH-AKL service. Who kno
80 Airvan00 : The general rule is that if you are on an international flight, say AMS-LHR change aircraft LHR-SYD you don't clear British immigration. You do not e
81 LDVAviation : And what qualifies you to comment on the taste level in Dallas? You reside in Salt Lake City.[Edited 2011-01-13 21:11:06]
82 laca773 : I don't think JetStar is the airline to do longhauls for QF from SFO. Those coming into and leaving SFO want a nicer experience and full service, esp
83 Aeroflot777 : I completely agree. I believe V Australia can definitely make a successful move here at SFO. To a certain degree, I think that Air New Zealand might
84 Post contains images lightsaber : This is an impressive addition. Connecting two of Oneworld's more important hubs. Not with RR engines. Seriously, if A380 deliveries were on schedule,
85 Airvan00 : How many seats do you think the QF A380's have??? QF flew 747's with more seats than the A380. The LAX-MEL route, the exclusive domain of the most ca
86 MSPNWA : That's an exciting move for OW, DFW, and US-Australia travelers.
87 PITrules : Its not the first time QF dumped SFO
88 Post contains images RB211-524H : Terrible terrible news for us Aussies who live in SFO and those Americans who aren't enslaved to their United mileage cards, our own carrier is abando
89 cpd : They should unleash Jetstar on United Airlines - try to squeeze the prices on UA on SYD-SFO route. I doubt they'll get a lot of sympathy for leaving t
90 Aeroflot777 : Have you ever tried flying through AKL on NZ? Just curious whether that would be easier then connecting in LAX. Flew NZ to AKL a few month ago from h
91 gabep : The pilots.
92 RB211-524H : No, being Oneworld sapphire status makes me quite biased in the airlines I choose to fly but rationally speaking I should rethink all of this. Althou
93 Post contains images peanuts : Not to be splitting hairs but would this make you a bit enslaved to your status as well???
94 TN486 : If we were all honest with ourselves, then you are not alone, however, my post in another thread showed I was very optimistic after recent events, an
95 Post contains images RB211-524H : Most definitely, but everyone knows that Oneworld is better oops might have just started WW3. To be fair, I did enjoy return KLM MD11 on SFO-AMS, my
96 DocLightning : In November of 2008, I flew a UA 744 from SFO to SYD. The interior fittings appeared to be the originals installed on the aircraft at delivery (sunri
97 Post contains links and images laca773 : Not all is lost. If you don't mind a transfering via AKL and have a much better product all the way across the board, give NZ a try. . Does VA have a
98 AirCanada787 : Does anyone else think that maybe CO shouldn't have announced the IAH-AKL flight so far in advance then, after all they don't even have the equipment
99 Post contains images KELPkid : Any idea what equipment they will be using? DFW-BNE is 8300 miles according to the Great Circle mapper . I also wonder if Mexico will allow them off-a
100 tayser : for all the energy & resources industries which have the executives based in MEL and IAH the net effect is pretty much nil - still a two stop serv
101 tayser : Here's another thought - this new flight would be somewhat sucky if they required a fuel stop (excessive winds etc) across the pacific... DFW-NAN/NOU-
102 vhtje : I shall miss seeing the QF red tail as I drive along the 101. I
103 gemuser : Hoe do you know this? Even if the flights were full (and I bet they were no better than 80 - 85% year round) that does NOT mean they were profitable!
104 OA412 : I think we're going to see a little more "connecting the dots" at DFW with respect to Oneworld hubs. I can definitely see DFW-SCL and DFW-BCN being ad
105 thegeek : A number of surprising aspects of this release. If yields are in the toilet on SYD-SFO, why not just cut back service to 3/week. It was only a few yea
106 gemuser : Yes all 6 B744ERs & 3 B744s. I believe reconfiguring was to start mid year. Gemuser
107 Pellegrine : Not that this was any surprise to anyone... ...and in my estimation, QF should wait for the proper aircraft to fly this route SYD-DFW-SYD, and not sto
108 SCL767 : AA operates DFW-SCL daily, (B763). AA used to fly DFW-LIM but eventually dropped that route.
109 Post contains images OA412 : Oh OK. Geez where have I been?
110 MAH4546 : DFW-BCN isn't happening. BCN is not a oneWorld hub, and Iberia mainline itself only flies to Madrid, Miami and Sao Paulo, with about a two dozen regi
111 ChopChop767 : A few months back, I flew on a UA 747 from SFO to NRT. Granted it was the bulkhead of Economy Plus and there was no one in the middle seat, but I wil
112 thegeek : So not in time then. Still not too long to have to sell F as J.
113 airnewzealand : Hello Everyone, I can confirm this has been in the works since 2008. The roadshows which were hosted by our then CEO Geoff Dixon confirmed to staff th
114 thegeek : What are all their 747s doing? 1 SYD-EZE 2 BNE-LAX 2 SYD-JNB 2 MEL-LAX 2 SYD-LAX 2 SYD-SFO 2 SYD-NRT 1-2 SYD-HKG 3 SYD-BKK-LAX 3 MEL-HKG-LHR 2-3 MEL-S
115 ComeAndGo : Air New Zealand has the same business class seats as Virgin Atlantic. If you do fly biz.
116 PA515 : Yes, quite a confident move. Hardly a coincidence. They have an option for a 6th 77W for Feb 2012 delivery but intend to use it on BNE-AUH-BNE three
117 cpd : The staff I found to be very pleasant and cheerful actually. But the economy class is not very nice. There just isn't a lot to take your mind off lon
118 jrfspa320 : Does the 332 not have the range for SYD-SFO, either QF or JQ?
119 Post contains images jensobreuer : You forgot the FRA route ... Cheers, Jens
120 BNEFlyer : Schedule is: QF7 - SYD-DFW - 15h25m QF8 - DFW-BNE - 16h00m Equipment is going to be a 747-400, wouldn't be surprised if it's an ER sometimes. NEVER th
121 zeke : I would not think so with an economical payload with the strong enroute headwinds, however a SFO-AKL would be almost a carbon copy of the LAX-AKL ser
122 jrfspa320 : Just as a sidenote are there any plans for Y+ for the A330s in sure would be useful for the pacific and asian routes?
123 Post contains images 747m8te : OMG i just realised....its even better....once again we may be able to book on the domestic leg of the BNE-SYD sector of the flight and get the 747 do
124 Jackbr : Will this announcement make the SYD-SFO flights a more senior destination for crews until the deletion?
125 The Coachman : Not. Happy. Jan. Unfortunately QF knows that people will go via LAX to go to SFO rather than endure UA. Can't see JQ on the route, lowers the QF brand
126 AA1818 : All that is missing is a link to Africa and perhaps HKG (hint hint). AA1818
127 QANTASFOREVER2 : Booked it today. QF have a mean sale going on. Win! Dallas here I come.....for an hour or so before I fly to somewhere I actually want to visit. Fasci
128 BMI727 : I'm not from SFO. I was surprised it wasn't starting with an A380. I think it will move to 787 daily rather than a larger plane at four weekly.
129 jfk777 : Qantas has been talking about DFW since the 744ER were delivered, what took them so long ? Delta and V Australia probably caused them to do it since Q
130 seabosdca : Quite surprised they started this route with the 747. They are going to have frequent operational issues. I was expecting this to happen only when the
131 Post contains links and images cpd : Let me put that better for you (for those who aren't in Australia - listen near the end): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG9tiaY-2Qo It wasn't what w
132 nonrevman : I really have benefited from this change! A couple of months ago, I booked a ticket on Qantas going from DFW-SFO-SYD at a decent fare. This will be my
133 BNEFlyer : In addition to the code shared services VA are flying VA29/30 SYD-AUH-SYD from February 2011 and from BNE Feb 2012.
134 BMI727 : QF ordered the -9 so it's not happening until at least 2013.
135 JQflightie : ive just noticed something, whilst looking at how many seats had been sold so far for QF7 16MAY11 , and couldnt help but notice SFO is still loaded...
136 United_fan : 16 hours in a center Y seat does not sound like fun at all.
137 Post contains images QF762 : This I found very interesting from The Qantas Source: (haven't seen it mentioned yet, apologies if it has been) "QANTAS will receive a rebate on fees
138 jfk777 : Given what happened in Singapore QF is not going to use the full capability of an A380 on an LONG flight. That is how they got in trouble. Since DFW
139 gemuser : True ONLY in the short term. The Trent engine problems will be resolved in due course and IMHO it will be the post 2012 (3 class) A380 that will take
140 QANTASFOREVER2 : If that is the case then Qantas should be suing Airbus into bankruptcy.
141 sccutler : I predict that they will do so, with considerable success. Texas is a good destination. Analogy : When I visited Australia, I (of course) spent time
142 peanuts : I agree. Even though California can't be written off, they are in a heap of trouble! I give QF the credit for actually implementing the change that w
143 AirNZ : Sorry, but I don't see that it is at all in this context. What "demand for low fares and increased frequency has relevance to SYD-DFW? Indeed, in the
144 seabosdca : Do you really mean this? AA has a much wider network from DFW than from LAX or SFO. DFW is their biggest fortress hub while LAX is barely a hub at al
145 Post contains images mogandoCI : that's pretty fast. the eastbound HKG-EWR on CO is only blocked at 15:20, and that flight is a good 513 miles shorter. Guess QF will be flying theirs
146 brons2 : This is so awesome for those of us in the south central US! Quick trip up to DFW and then we're off with QF! Whoopee!!!
147 UAL777UK : So you don't see UA going double daily out of SFO then to solidify their dominance and ward off anyone else who has ideas of starting the route? Thre
148 KELPkid : Plenty to see and do there....I hope they do market it as a destination. Not so sure Aussies would want to visit in the middle of northern hemisphere
149 sunrisevalley : [quote=mogandoCI,reply=145]that's pretty fast. the eastbound HKG-EWR on CO is only blocked at 15:20, and that flight is a good 513 miles shorter. Gues
150 peanuts : Don't forget, it also eases pressure on AA at LAX as its feeder duties for QF flights at LAX are relieved a bit. AA can use this released capacity on
151 Post contains images Zkpilot : The flight will continue on to SYD operating as an International flight. Pax will clear customs/immigration in SYD. Pax will be able to have BNE as a
152 DocLightning : So do you think V Australia will start SFO? Given VX is hubbed here...
153 laca773 : Myself, I will not be surprised if we hear an announcement sometime this year from VA stating they plan on starting SYD-SFO 4X a week to start. With
154 airbazar : I predict you'll be seeing the A380 on this route as soon the engine issues are resolved. Yes, I know about the operating restrictions that the A380
155 enilria : I had the same thought. That's exactly why you don't announce things forever in advance.
156 MaverickM11 : VA already connects to VX in LAX, and more importantly DL. Not sure what, if anything, VX at SFO would gain VA other than a smaller market and an irr
157 AdmiralRitt : Dallas, anususpecting Australian man lands...who.needs to fly futher north... and the AA ticket agent says. "Yes, we have planes there and you can cho
158 QANTASFOREVER2 : That word alone made your post the best thing in this thread.
159 flyby519 : In an attempt to get this train back on course... I found this interview from June 2010 where the EVP of DFW Airport talks about Qantas service among
160 gdg9 : This is not surprising. DFW gives free landing fees away to attract new carriers. KLM got a sweet deal and I would suspect, although I don't know for
161 nonrevman : A curious statement by the DFW airport board considering that Qantas had the 744 all along and this is the aircraft they will be using. Cannot wait u
162 Longhornmaniac : Building off an earlier post, the main reason for this discrepancy is that the HKG-EWR flight is basically polar, so there isn't as much benefit from
163 Irishpower : Give it a few years. Once the 787 come online I'm sure QF will be back in SFO. Never say never. Like the previous threads have stated once business in
164 bps3458 : What a timely surprise. Have family living in Houston and we are planning to visit them this coming Christmas but when I saw the deal QF was/is offeri
165 yellowtail : SYD-PER-NBO would be really nice....there are tons of Australians visiting that part of the continent and lots of ex-pats. 789 4Xpw would be the righ
166 mogandoCI : EWR-HKG is polar, but HKG-EWR is directly across the pacific : going up to Japan, then traverse to Anchorage before curving through Canada through To
167 kiwiandrew : I think the poster meant a link from DFW to Africa since they were replying to a post about the variety of destinations available from DFW.
168 Post contains links and images kiwiandrew : http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-sydney-san-francisco-service.html ....Qantas's five-times-weekly direct service on the Sydney-San Francisco ro
169 mogandoCI : you're still doing BNE-SYD-DFW-IAH-DFW-BNE ... in the future, with CO, that 5 leg trip will be truncated to only 4 legs : BNE-AKL-IAH-AKL-BNE
170 goldenstate : Delhi predated the DFW-PEK application. Why do you think that the pilots won't take issue with a hypothetical MIA-NRT route. I find it hard to believ
171 swissair4ever : I for one am thrilled that dfw is getting this service! They deserve it and it will do great!! Of course all the IAH lovers on this board are probably
172 psa1011 : My first post! Speaking QF's LAX-AKL, why doesn't NZ start SFO-SYD? Furthermore, why doesn't NZ just take over SFO-AKL/SYD from UA?
173 United_fan : That 744 is sure going to use a lot of runway when its 110+ in DFW in the Summer!
174 n471wn : Yes please help us here other carriers----we only fly United as a last resort!!!
175 ThomasCook : Not a good article from Flight Global here; also stating QF only fly SYD-LAX 8 times a week instead of the actual figure of up to 3 x daily if you in
176 gdg9 : 13,400 feet is available
177 alangirvan : "By placing its code on American flights operating from DFW, thirteen US and three Mexican destinations will join the Qantas network. These include Al
178 Bartond : The longer the takeoff, the more majestic the plane seems, if you ask me. There's something really cool about watching a heavy use up almost all of th
179 tayser : You're highlighting a good point - since the 80s and the effective start of Australia-New Zealand's EU-like aviation policy (NZ carriers can originat
180 MileHighOffice : This is greatnews! I always said it would happen but about fell out of ,y chair when it actually did!
181 AusA380 : I was hoping the RDU might make the list, but then again RDU seems to be falling of the AA radar
182 The Coachman : A few points for discussion. 1) This will improve yields on SYD-LAX one would think due to fewer pax going via LAX to destinations like JFK/LGA, BOS,
183 DocLightning : VX is not an irrelevant partner, given connectivity to major US markets up the West Coast and in the East. If VA wants to compete with QF, they need
184 swissair4ever : by the way.....in reading so many of the posts on this website....its clear there are lots of DFW haters on this board! in any case...i am not origina
185 Post contains images aa61hvy : It departs at 10pm, so it will cool down to a nice balmy 90 degrees I loved seeing AA's MD-11's leave around 10pm to go down to South America, those
186 PA515 : In March 2003 UA withdrew from AKL-LAX to codeshare on NZ, and in Apr 2003 NZ withdrew from SYD-LAX to codeshare on UA. There seems to be some sort o
187 gemuser : Miami is NOT in Florida? From the press release and the OP: Interestingly the list of new connections in the OP is left off the copy on the QF web si
188 alangirvan : Even Gemuser would agree that Miami was not one of the 13 American cities listed as code share destinations through DFW - I do not think Australians
189 gdg9 : Timeframe?
190 thomasphoto60 : Perhaps, stranger things have happened, also depends how you define "pretty soon". I recall hearing about a QF service to DFW when I was living in OZ
191 Airvan00 : Just a a matter of interest. How is a thread classified as a "hot" thread (the ones with the little fire symbol). This thread gathered 190 replies and
192 MileHighOffice : Can't wait to see the Qantas logo sitting among the other tails at DFW. It's getting to be an impressive lineup. Nice to see a long speculated rumor o
193 gemuser : These are the post 2012 A380s, some tonnes lighter than current ones. QF have 8 on order and they will be three class J, Y+ & Y, like the B744s b
194 Post contains images thegeek : Doh! I did too. But I also didn't include that QF have just received their 8th A380, should receive their 9th one before this route starts. I'm still
195 Pbb152 : As a Houstonian, I would just like to say congrats to all my friends in Dallas. This is certainly a very exciting addition to the DFW lineup. And anot
196 AusA380 : Given that AA do not fly to Australia, what might be the strategy requiring the Australian ACCC (Competition Regulator) and presumably the DOT/DOJ ap
197 tayser : doesnt matter if AA don't fly here, they're earning revenue from Australia currently and if a full JV like DL-DJ's eventuates the ACCC needs to assess
198 brons2 : That's ridiculous. The JT8D-s are barely audible in the front half of the MD-80, and they are only really loud in the back 5 rows or so. It is rarely
199 gemuser : And considering those B744s normally live at an airport which frequently has 38/40C (100-105F) temperatures, nil wind, high humidity, but is at sea l
200 cpd : Just an update on the A380s available at the moment for QF that I mentioned earlier, VH-OQC appears to have only 1 engine at the moment. The rest of t
201 LAXdude1023 : WOW!!! I had checked the board in a couple of days since Im in Isla de Pascua (Easter Island) right now but this really is a dream come true. I cant w
202 DocLightning : *turns a deep shade of green* I'm NOT jealous... How are the Moai? There's a line of them by the beach to the east. I named the second one from the l
203 Bartond : I agree with some of the posts above that it's always puzzling to see what cities are listed as "new to the network" when a route like this is starte
204 seabosdca : People have been saying things like this and being wrong since the '90s. People will take the plane without AVOD if it's $20 cheaper. And UA has lots
205 B377 : It should be noted that Albuquerque, Boise, El Paso, Oklahoma City, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Sacramento and Tucson will also be available via Los Ang
206 OA412 : So in other words, you didn't understand that I was merely joking and that my post had nothing to do with my actual feelings toward Dallas and Texas.
207 MarcoPoloWorld : Seems like QF is engaging in a classic case of robbing Peter to pay Paul. And if DFW-SYD needs to make a stopover on the way - which it will - then wh
208 alangirvan : My guess is that the cities listed by Qantas are only the first tranch, and more cities will be added. When we look at the airline route site, we see
209 Airvan00 : DFW is a OneWorld mega hub, SFO is not.
210 Viscount724 : 1560 nm further. In flying time alone that's roughly 4 hours longer. QF also served JFK (then IDL) many years before they had rights to LAX. SFO and
211 SESGDL : Something that only a crazy a.netter would do under normal circumstances. I seriously question the viability of this route for a few reasons: 1) Ultr
212 Airvan00 : Qantas still has 5 flights a day to the west coast, so less than 20% of capacity to DFW. I'm sure the Qantas execs have looked at a few figures and d
213 The Coachman : Increasing numbers of Australians who've already explored the west coast are now moving to explore the midwest and east coasts. As I mentioned earlier
214 realsim : The flight time itself doesn't matter, what is limited is the duty time to a maximum of 16 scheduled hours. The APA agreed an exception for ORD-DEL s
215 tayser : QF have a fair bit of experience in this area. in terms of single sector flights: MEL-LAX (14.5h) SYD-JNB (14h) SYD-LAX (13.5h) SYD-SFO (13.5h) BNE-L
216 Airvan00 : Intresting that you mentioned flights beyond Brisbane. Perth is now one stop from DFW. QF 8 connecting into QF589 at BNE, is now showing up in the QF
217 Post contains links TN486 : Jeremy, some words straight from the horses mouth (QF CEO Alan Joyce). "SFO hasnt got a huge amount of corporate traffic compared to what we think we
218 multimark : Anybody think that Air Canada might use QF's pullout as a chance to start YYZ-SFO-SYD? You may recall AC applied to do YYZ-LAX-SYD, but was shot down
219 longhauler : That's is right, due to the old Canadian Pacific Airlines rights. In fact, that is why Qantas were able to carry passengers between YVR and SFO local
220 YYZALA : They already do via YVR. SFO-SYD is covered by its partner, UA so it would make no sense to use own metal.
221 SESGDL : That's unfortunate that QF would continue serving a route that they've struggled with for decades. I'll stick to my sentiments for now that I don't t
222 Post contains images ZuluAlpha : An extension of the QF3/4 to HNL where QF opperates an A330.. to continue through to SFO ? Also I have planned a trip to NYC on 25 May, where I was g
223 MPDPilot : Just wanted to add my two cents. This is great news, I it is always good to see new routes to SYD as due to its location only has a few very popular d
224 Airvan00 : Qantas uses the 763, it is JetStar that uses 332 on SYD-HNL. But Yes a good idea to continue on to SFO. (prefer the 332 and QF)
225 ZuluAlpha : Yes, you are correct, my bad.
226 thegeek : I don't see it. You wouldn't be able to sell tickets to people who aren't traveling to/from Australia, and it's not like the LAX-JFK tag which can ge
227 thenoflyzone : Dont you worry, the savings they are getting at DFW will all be spent in NAN on all the fuel stops they will be doing ! Of course the route will not
228 Airvan00 : What do you consider the max range of the B744 and the B744ER? (with significant payload)
229 Post contains images IndianicWorld : What exactly would be its connections from SFO? DL have limited presence in SFO, and have tried to start building up LAX to allow for routes like SYD
230 Post contains links thenoflyzone : As a retired ATC and commercial pilot, i'm shocked you're even asking.... ESAD for SYD-DFW is 13,804 km. Max range for the B744 is 13,450 km. And tha
231 Airvan00 : I knew the answer. In fact I gave you a hint when I asked about B744 and 744ER's. Yes the max range of a 744 is listed as 13,450km , but that same so
232 IndianicWorld : I agree with you. I doubt the airline took the decision to drop SFO, and add DFW, lightly. The sums must have stacked up far better for the DFW servi
233 Post contains images UAL777UK : If its that wasy, why are QF pulling out? Lets not forget that there is speculation that PTV's may go in the Y cabin on those UA 744's as well. Eithe
234 OzGlobal : SYD has a huge number of "popular destination s with a lot of connections." In a global forum, if you are specifically speaking of the US, you need t
235 thegeek : Aren't many observers scratching their heads about that? If you can see logic, please share it with us!
236 mogandoCI : the more sad thing is the QF CEO failing to properly to serve SFO (THE largest tech market), either due to lack of marketing or high-CASM equipment o
237 gdg9 : That will be interesting to see how often that happens. As others have mentioned, I think QF probably won't make too much money on this route to star
238 SFOA380 : No doubt this was a strategic decision meant to head-off the new CO/UA 787 from IAH to AKL. SFO has huge O&D traffic to Australia and New Zealand.
239 Braniff727Ultra : Good, bad or indifferent, California is a massive and dynamic economy and the options for tourists and businesses alike are endless. As a native son
240 sunrisevalley : Not in answer to the question but somewhat relevant, I had the opportunity to look at a flight plan for the 744 ( not the 744ER) DFW-BNE, the sector
241 Zkpilot : Well MEL Will go daily A380, SYD will go 2x daily A380 plus a 744 so that's quite an increase in seats (400 per day from Oz) NZ might if things progr
242 thenoflyzone : Maybe, but no official word on it in the press release by QF, as there are no 3 class B744ERs at the moment, nor will there be i believe in time for
243 gemuser : You know, all other things being equal, if an airline CEO says HIS airlines traffic from a given port is mainly "leisure-oriented" I tend to believe
244 Airvan00 : I dunno if this was official, put i copied it from somwhere on here and it answers your question about no "3 class" 744ER's. It is probably quoted up
245 thomasphoto60 : Really, tell that to EK. Emirates has eluded (actually stated in one case) that IAH is slated for 380 service, once an updated version (namely a vari
246 Viscount724 : The Canada-Australia bilateral permits Canadian carriers to serve 2 points in Australia (SYD and one other of their choice...AC once served MEL and C
247 Post contains images LAXintl : Which probably tells you its a marginal and tough market for them to make a go with... I don't see a XXX-HNL-SFO either. Not only would the HNL-SFO l
248 longhauler : Yes, but there are/were fifth freedom rights as well. QF was carrying local traffic YYZ-HNL and SFO-YVR, and AC/CP was carrying local traffic HNL-SYD
249 Post contains links sccutler : Not sure I'd agree that this is a boring place; having had the privilege of living in southern Caolifornia, Ifound that, while it was a fund diversio
250 Viscount724 : Correct, 5th freedom rights (for both Canadian and Australian carriers) only exist at SFO and HNL (and NAN).
251 alangirvan : Except that La Guardia is one of the ports that Qantas mentions in the Press Release. So question would be whether NY based travellers would prefer a
252 gdg9 : I stand corrected.
253 cslusarc : I'm thinking that QF will need to add a tech stop mid-route on this route to improve the amount of payload it can carry. I went to the Great Circle Ma
254 gemuser : Short answer - NO. If a tech stop is required before BNE then it probably be at NAN, where QF thru FJ & JQ have a significant presence. A schedul
255 thenoflyzone : That wont be attractive to business class passengers. Don't forget that the majority of the passengers on this flight will be connecting at DFW, mean
256 IrishAyes : The only real "shock" about this news, or at least what leaves me scratching my head, was how it didn't come with huge fanfare (in terms of the moment
257 multimark : True, but UA already served LAX-SYD and AC still wanted the rights. IMHO YYZ-SFO-SYD (or MEL) would be a great test route for AC, and for *A it would
258 Zkpilot : There are when they don't sell First Class on them. They call it cosmetic configuration and they use it on various routes all the time. Basically Fir
259 AlitaliaDC10 : This is correct for the DFW flights as ZKpilot states it is cosmetic. This is curently the case on QF73/QF74 to SFO and the EZE flights which operate
260 Post contains links Braniff727Ultra : sccutler; Quoting Braniff727Ultra (Reply 239): Remember, Silicon Valley pulls in more venture cap (VC) $$$$ than the rest of the US combined! No reall
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