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Code-Sharing With Airlines Outside Your Alliance?  
User currently offlinefaro From Egypt, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

On a recent GVA-CDG trip on AF metal, I noticed that LX were code-sharing partners on the flight. How common is this to code-share with airlines which are not in your alliance? Does LX need explicit approval from Star to conduct these code-shares?

Faro


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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3591 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

It happens all the time and does not need alliance approval.

AF and QF have an even deeper than code-share arrangement between CDG and SYD as an example.


User currently offlinemacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1697 times:
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Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
It happens all the time and does not need alliance approval.

Look at AS. They code-share with basically everyone they can. Seems to work well for them.



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User currently offlinefaro From Egypt, joined Aug 2007, 1542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Quoting macsog6 (Reply 2):
Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
It happens all the time and does not need alliance approval.

Look at AS. They code-share with basically everyone they can. Seems to work well for them.

Makes you wonder why you need airline alliances in the first place...

Faro



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User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

Quoting faro (Thread starter):
Does LX need explicit approval from Star to conduct these code-shares?

It will depend on the circumstances. Airlines can ask for grandfathering rights when joining alliances. For example, Air New Zealand and Japan Airlines or Qantas and South African Airways. Normally this is not a problem if the number of routes involved are small, limited by bilateral agreements (such as Qantas/Air France) and/or highly strategic to the airline.

That said, I'd hardly imagine that LATAM would be allowed to grandfather its relationship with Qantas, at the expense of Air New Zealand, if it swtiched to Star. A situation like that would be too damaging to Air New Zealand.



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User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 647 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

DL and AV have one such relationship...DL and SQ had another for many years as well...
LH and CP, LH and AY, UA and AF had a relationship at one point!



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

Quoting TravellerPlus (Reply 4):
It will depend on the circumstances. Airlines can ask for grandfathering rights when joining alliances. For example, Air New Zealand and Japan Airlines or Qantas and South African Airways. Normally this is not a problem if the number of routes involved are small, limited by bilateral agreements (such as Qantas/Air France) and/or highly strategic to the airline.

That said, I'd hardly imagine that LATAM would be allowed to grandfather its relationship with Qantas, at the expense of Air New Zealand, if it swtiched to Star. A situation like that would be too damaging to Air New Zealand.

But your post is not talking about code-shares, and which is the subject.

Quoting faro (Reply 3):
Makes you wonder why you need airline alliances in the first place...

In reality, they serve very little purpose outside of being convenient to the airlines involved. Essentially, there is no absolute benefit to a passenger whether travelling within an alliance or outside it.


User currently offlinejohns624 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 922 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):
Essentially, there is no absolute benefit to a passenger whether travelling within an alliance or outside it.

Other than that you can earn FF miles on your home carrier while flying on another airline.


User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 6):
But your post is not talking about code-shares, and which is the subject.

All these airlines code-share even though they are in competing alliances. I should have posted "grandfather codeshare rights".

Indeed as far as permisson goes, it is notable that the Qantas/SAA codeshare on the Sydney-Johannesburg route is the only non-star alliance operated sector permitted on Star round-wrld fares. This would have involved permission from the alliance members for its inclusion on a Star product.



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1417 times:

Quoting johns624 (Reply 7):

Other than that you can earn FF miles on your home carrier while flying on another airline.

Which has been - can be - and is done between airlines without the existence of these "alliances." Reciprocal Frequent Flyer agreements are common between airlines.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1377 times:

Quoting faro (Thread starter):
On a recent GVA-CDG trip on AF metal, I noticed that LX were code-sharing partners on the flight.

That codeshare deal was made when LX suspended their own GVA-CDG service several years ago. I expect AF would much rather codeshare with LX than have them as a direct competitor on the route.

There are many codeshares involving carriers in different alliances.


User currently offlinegoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1841 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1315 times:

AF has many code share agreements with *A and OW carriers :
- LX on CDG-GVA
- OS on CDG-VIE
- JL on CDG-Japan routes and beyond CDG
- AY on CDG-HEL and beyond HEL
- QF on CDG-SIN/HKG-Australia
- MA on CDG-BUD


User currently offlineheathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

As has been said already, quite common. CX codes on WS flights, I remember seeing VS codes on CO flights....

User currently offlinejoelyboy911 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1264 times:

Air New Zealand has new codeshare deals starting with Virgin Blue (group) and Virgin Atlantic, neither of which are in Star Alliance (yet).

Air New Zealand also has codeshares with: Aircalin, Air Pacific, Air Vanuatu, Air Tahiti Nui, and JAL, however most of these are on single routes, or on a very limited number of routes.



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