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UA Looking At Fleet Renewel  
User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16934 times:

As the DL thread has been locked, here we go with UA. Looks like they as well as DL are looking to spend some $$$$

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/uni...s-analysts-2011-01-14?siteid=yhoof

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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16905 times:

Anyone want to bet that Boeing will win this one, with Smisek in charge?


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User currently offlinePbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 619 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16810 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1):
Anyone want to bet that Boeing will win this one, with Smisek in charge?

With the rise in oil prices (and no end in sight), I doubt UA/CO would blindly stick to the old gentleman's agreement with Boeing if they are not offering the most efficient aircraft. Smisek has a BOD and stockholders to answer to so I would think he knows there is a lot riding on the decision. That being said, Boeing will need to respond to the A320neo, and I would think that UA/CO will wait to see what Boeing's response will be.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26170 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16535 times:

Yes remember United had an existing RFP out there for narrow-body aircraft that was temporarily put on the back burner during the merger.

Now that each side is getting settled in (they just announced a unified fleet planning organisation structure) the review can continue which I presume will see each vendor refresh their offers.



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User currently offlinedl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16239 times:

Boeing could get hurt with the airbus neo. But i would think it would be difficult for airbus to give a lower price with a new type of engine. If Boeing can offer a really good deal on the 737 then they may be able to sway DL and UA away from airbus

User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16236 times:

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 2):
With the rise in oil prices (and no end in sight), I doubt UA/CO would blindly stick to the old gentleman's agreement with Boeing if they are not offering the most efficient aircraft. Smisek has a BOD and stockholders to answer to so I would think he knows there is a lot riding on the decision. That being said, Boeing will need to respond to the A320neo, and I would think that UA/CO will wait to see what Boeing's response will be.

Spot on. UA (and DL) will make a decision and purchase based on the best overall deal for their operations and shareholders. Neither airline is blindly going to order based on some 15+ year old "gentlemens agreement" when so much has changed in the industry in the past 15 years.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16165 times:

The linked article indicates a likely order of 100 aircraft and suggests that Boeing has been very aggressive in pricing the current 737. I wonder if Boeing will offer a discount on the current 737 that is enough to match the ROI of an A320NEO.

I wonder if a $5 million cheaper, 4% lighter, and 4-5% higher capacity 738 can compete against A320NEO. Some quick back of the envelope calculations suggest that the lighter and higher capacity B738 should be competitive against A320NEO if it is about net $5 million cheaper.

I wonder if Boeing will engage in aggressive pricing while it pursues Y1 at a later date.


User currently offlineeraugrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16149 times:

I think 4 Boeing Airlines DL/New UA/SW/Ryan are enough 737 orders combined to maybe sway Boeing to produce a more efficient 737. Boeing won't let all these orders go looking at someone else product. I honestly think boeing has a 737 re-engine plan hidden. That pic got out a few month in effect to let public know they aren't just going to sit here and let their margins slip away drastically.

Desmond in ILM,

[Edited 2011-01-14 21:01:57]


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User currently offlinePbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 619 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15976 times:

Quoting eraugrad02 (Reply 7):
I think 4 Boeing Airlines DL/New UA/SW/Ryan are enough 737 orders combined to maybe sway Boeing to produce a more efficient 737. Boeing won't let all these orders go looking at someone else product. I honestly think boeing has a 737 re-engine plan hidden. That pic got out a few month in effect to let public know they aren't just going to sit here and let their margins slip away drastically.

I don't think anybody doubts that Boeing needs to respond soon. I can't imagine they won't have announced something by the end of 2011 (and hopefully before). I have read numerous reports and innuendo as many others here have, and my guess is that Boeing is not going to offer a reengined 737. I think it is going to be a new platform altogether. But who the heck really knows at this point? That will be one of the stories to watch in 2011.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5794 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15935 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 6):
I wonder if Boeing will offer a discount on the current 737 that is enough to match the ROI of an A320NEO.

I would imagine that's what the airlines would be expecting, let alone demanding.

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 6):
I wonder if Boeing will engage in aggressive pricing while it pursues Y1 at a later date.

I would hope so, for their sake. Hard to pay for a new program when you aren't selling any planes.  

-Dave



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15927 times:

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 8):
my guess is that Boeing is not going to offer a reengined 737. I think it is going to be a new platform altogether. But who the heck really knows at this point? That will be one of the stories to watch in 2011.

One way to hold on to existing customers is to offer Y1 by 2018-2020, and in the meantime aggressively discount the B738 to offset the A320NEO advantage. This would make current large B737 customers think twice about switching to A320NEO.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31437 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15916 times:
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Well we need to remember the A320neo is not scheduled to EIS for another four to five years, and that assume the engine makers meet both their EIS and SFC targets.

Also, Airbus and the engine makers are charging a premium of 50% of the projected fuel savings. So the OEMs get the cash up front while the operators need to wait years to see appreciable recovery.

And while oil prices are rising again, we know the higher they go, the more conservation kicks in and consumption drops, resulting in the price falling. So it is possible that oil will not be a crushing cost center in 2016 when the A320neo enters service.

Frankly, I think UA will look at both the A320neo and the 737NG / 737neo because they have a large enough fleet of both that replacing airframes within the same family makes the most sense. So I operate under no illusions this is going to be a "winner take all" order that will have a single-source OEM.


User currently offlineUATulipfan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15780 times:

UA will continue to buy the best aircraft for their needs, and they're in a very good postion as their relations with both A&B remain strong. Smisek being at UA means nothing.


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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15780 times:

Why is this discussion limited to B and A? All the CO 737's are fairly young and UA's A 320's are terribly old either. The reason I say this is because Bombardier has the C series out there, and UA is said to be very interested. Michael Boyd believes that the C Series is going to have a major impact on the market in the coming yeras, and the C series would fill in the gap between the 320/737 and the 170-CRJ-700s that are flying. Plus with tougher scope likely on the way, the C series would fit what UA would need like a glove.

As the recent widebody order shows, expect the unexpected from UA.


User currently offlineUATulipfan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15746 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 13):

Glenn Tilton said the C-series would be a great aircraft to replace the 737s, and UA has shown interest in having a jet that size. No doubt, though, this order might be tied to contract negotiations that have stalled.



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User currently offlinedavs5032 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15731 times:

The folks at Bombardier definitely picked a great time to bring the C series to market. Here we are with DL, AA, and UA all planning on making sizable NB replacement orders in the next year or so (and WN too for that matter). Based on the huge demand out there, they've got to be feeling pretty optimistic about picking up some legit orders in 2011...and I didn't even mention any international prospects like SAS, etc.

User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15718 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
Also, Airbus and the engine makers are charging a premium of 50% of the projected fuel savings. So the OEMs get the cash up front while the operators need to wait years to see appreciable recovery.


I think both Airbus and the airlines know how to make NPV calculations, so that timelag can easily be compensated for.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
And while oil prices are rising again, we know the higher they go, the more conservation kicks in and consumption drops, resulting in the price falling. So it is possible that oil will not be a crushing cost center in 2016 when the A320neo enters service.


Isn't the conservation you mention exactly about using more efficient airplanes?
As the worlds energy and oil consumption keeps rising from structural point of view,(developing countries GDP growing fast for coming decades), the savings the developed world achieves are unfortunately not enough.



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User currently offlinemauriceb From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15540 times:

Wow, a lot of airlines are willing to replace theire fleets these times, aren't they? Does this might be a domino effect? I mean most of the production slots for both the A320 fam and the 737 series have been sold out for the next 4-5 years, and with more and more airlines placing hugh orders (like IndiGo) i think some airlines might be worried that they won't receive any new plane in the next 5-6 years, so they are eager to place orders soon?

We now have Ryanair, Delta, United, Lufthansa and some others that are looking for a major order in the next years..

I have the feeling this might be a win for Airbus, could be wrong though, just a feeling, even with Smisek in charge...


User currently offlineebj1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15107 times:

Airlines buying new airplanes is cyclic; this is normal. You have strong years and then you have those that seem weak by comparison. There hasn't been a lot of buying in the last couple of years due to the economy so this could be a really great year for Boeing and Airbus. I just hope Boeing can get the 787 program really up and running and start delivering airplanes the airlines can rely on. And I really would like to see an announcement about a new Y1 proposal!


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31437 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14972 times:
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Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 16):
Isn't the conservation you mention exactly about using more efficient airplanes?

Yes it is, but new aircraft purchases are a very capital-intensive expenditure.

A few years ago, AF could not wait to get rid of their 747-400s because of the price of the fuel they burned. Once that dropped a score of Euro a barrel, all of a sudden AF is refitting the fleet for another decade of service because it's cheaper to upgrade and keep flying them then replacing them with brand new 77Ws. While the 77Ws would reduce fuel consumption by a double-digit percentage, it would also require AF to spend (or finance) around $175 million a frame (based on the average contract sales price) so it pencilled out cheaper to keep the 744s around.


User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14760 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
Frankly, I think UA will look at both the A320neo and the 737NG / 737neo because they have a large enough fleet of both that replacing airframes within the same family makes the most sense. So I operate under no illusions this is going to be a "winner take all" order that will have a single-source OEM.

I believe that as well, both airlines have large narrowbody fleets to replace them with just a single type seems like an impossible task. Also with a fleet that large it is an advantage not to be dependant on one manufacturer for example if an aircraft type is grounded.

I think for both airlines DL/UA the A321NEO / A321 with Sharklets is a very interesting plane to replace older 757s.
Also I have high hopes for a CSeries order with both of them, that would be a great sign of confidence for the CSeries and I would love to see the CSeries gain some orders.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14646 times:
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Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1):
Anyone want to bet that Boeing will win this one, with Smisek in charge?

Well, with Boeing now based in Chicago and Airbus-North America based at Dulles, I would guess there will be a lot of salesmen sitting in Mr.Smisek's outer office.

Let's see which salesman gets past the receptionist.  


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14463 times:

Interesting news....But what exactly are they looking to replace? The early UA A-32Xs? UA's 757 fleet? The CO 737-500s? To make up capacity lost for when UA retired its 737 fleet? Or a combination of everything?

I know that CO had a lot of new 737s, but the UA A-32Xs aren't exactly old so I'd be surprised if they are replacing those.

Regardless, exciting news! I'd love to see an order split for more 737s and the C-Series though of course it depends on what exactly Boeing is telling United in terms of upgrading the 737.

Also, I hope that a new narrowbody order will give United an opportunity to standardize its domestic fleet in terms of PTVs/Channel 9/cloth v leather seats, etc.


User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10253 posts, RR: 97
Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14278 times:
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Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 6):
I wonder if a $5 million cheaper, 4% lighter, and 4-5% higher capacity 738 can compete against A320NEO. Some quick back of the envelope calculations suggest that the lighter and higher capacity B738 should be competitive against A320NEO if it is about net $5 million cheaper.

I would tend to think that it could be made to, especially with earlier availability thrown in.

One differentiator though might be range/payload advantage that the A32X NEO's might enjoy, as Columba suggests below.

Quoting columba (Reply 20):
I think for both airlines DL/UA the A321NEO / A321 with Sharklets is a very interesting plane to replace older 757s.

  

Rgds


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14278 times:
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Quoting washingtonian (Reply 22):
Also, I hope that a new narrowbody order will give United an opportunity to standardize its domestic fleet in terms of PTVs/Channel 9/cloth v leather seats, etc.

Remember that *neither* CO *nor* UA is completely standardized in terms of PTV, seats types, or seat coverings. As a matter of fact, having PTV on short mainline routes like IAD-BDL, IAD-BOS, IAH-SAT, or IAH-AUS may prove to be impractical.


25 RoseFlyer : UA had a RFP drafted for 757 replacement with deliveries to start in 2016. CO's fleet has definitely changed the plans for the combined fleet, but the
26 Stitch : I would expect the A321-200neo would have the inside track as a 757-200 replacement. The A321-200 is just a more capable frame than the 737-900ER and
27 727LOVER : Isn't this "agreement" almost up anyway?
28 hannahpa : I wonder, UA has 747's that are aging. Their other WBs are either 767s or 772s. UA and former CO have 787s coming. I wonder if they are even thinking
29 United1 : UA has 25 350-900s on order that are slated to replace the 744 fleet. I'm thinking part of this order is going to be for replacing some of the oldest
30 Stitch : How much of UA's widebody fleet underwent their heavy maintenance during either their repaint from the grey to white UA livery or during the interior
31 SonomaFlyer : Although part of me would like to see UA fly the 748 or 388, its not in the cards. They will almost certainly stick to their current wide body fleet p
32 RoseFlyer : The whole fleet is on scheduled based maintenance with most widebodies going through C checks every 18~20 months. All planes are current. Any planes
33 fun2fly : I predict 100 E195x/CSeries for UA/CO as a result of the pilot negotiations which will also allow the CR7 issue to go away. CO can divest a good numbe
34 PlanesNTrains : MIght as well go CS100/CS300 and get the newest tech with perhaps a decent discount. If they order NEO's or NGNG's or 797's or whatever, they can foc
35 LAXDESI : CS100 makes sense only in the context of a joint CS100/CS300 order. E195 pencils out much better than CS100 once price is taken into account.
36 cslusarc : I would actually think that if the new UA was looking for a new 100-seater they'd order the E90 as it would only require two flight attendants. A E95
37 AirNZ : Then you are de facto staing that they will accept an inferior (for want of a better word in this context) aircraft to save a few million dollars....
38 Post contains images Stitch : A number of airlines around the world are making plenty of money operating 737s. And if Leahey is right and Boeing secured orders for 500 of them only
39 Thrust : I can't remember if UA ordered the 787 in addition the A350...either way, now that they are merged with CO, I would imagine they are looking at 757 re
40 PlanesNTrains : Exactly. And since they operate a huge number of 737NG's, with more already coming, it would seem logical that additional orders as an interim to an
41 UATulipfan : UA ordered both the A350 and 787 and was going to order narrowbodies before the merger to replace the 757 and 737 fleets. That was put on the backbur
42 Ronaldo747 : Again ... replacing 744 with A350 makes absolutly no sense and I expect this decision to be corrected in the coming years. They will need a new VLA fo
43 UATulipfan : They are replacing the 747s with smaller planes because it is extremely difficult to fill the 747s and they can make more money using smaller planes.
44 lightsaber : I'd love to see the C-series at UA. I wonder if it has a chance... Is UA looking at anythign smaller? Lightsaber
45 mm320cap : What do you mean the CR7 issue will "go away"? If you mean that the pilots will allow unlimited 70's flying for express, I don't think you could be m
46 UATulipfan : Anything "smaller" would be CR7 sized and the UA pilots will not allow anymore 70 seaters being flown by UAX on the property, especially not with 143
47 eraugrad02 : This may be to little too late but what are the odds that Boeng release a "light" 737-600 to compete witt C110/130, E190/195, CR10? Have A/B decided t
48 Stitch : The 737-600 suffers from having to inherit the underlying structure of her bigger sisters, so there is only so much Boeing can take out. So I expect
49 United Airline : Well many of their B 747-400s run out full
50 328JET : United will order a mix of: 1. A388 - replacement of B744 2. A350-1000 - replacement of B744 3. A321NEO - replacement of B752 4. B737NEO I also have t
51 Stitch : UA does have A350 options they can exercise as A350-1000s, plus Airbus would certainly be willing to swap A350-900 positions for A350-1000 positions.
52 dl767captain : What I'm saying is that a discounted 737 is an instant bonus, an instant price decrease, something very helpful when you're looking at placing a huge
53 Post contains images Asiaflyer : That's one of the difficulties with making long-term decision in a volatile environment. If AF would have to make this decision today, it might very
54 fun2fly : The point is if they traded positions allowing express to run CR7's in turn for trading in ERJ's for E95's (or like a/c) on mainline. CO can turn bac
55 Post contains images kgaiflyer : "United will order . . . "? Forgive me for asking, but you write with such assurance. Where are you getting your information?
56 Stitch : True, but then UA has recently refurbished their 767 and 747 fleets (prior to the merger with CO) and is in the process of refurbishing their A319, A
57 washingtonian : Wow, where to begin? United has already ordered A-350-900s to replace the 747s, so there goes your first two predictions. United hasn't had 762s in h
58 PlanesNTrains : That's the old United. The new United has some fairly recent build 762ER's from Continental. -Dave
59 Post contains images tozairport : A lot of both. There are many routes that have been dropped (SFO-TPE, SFO-AKL for example). The 777 has taken over many routes like SFO-PVG and SFO-P
60 kgaiflyer : They're useful on long, thin routes (EWR-TXL, IAH-BSB, etc) but, with a seating capacity almost identical to a 757, the whole 762 fleet seems redunde
61 American 767 : Continental's 762ER's are still young, only 10 years old so they still have a lot of time left. United's original 762s are gone already, the last one
62 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Probably as old as I am (I'm 67 ). Seriously, I've flown the 762's many times since AA and UA *both* had 762s on their respective IAD-LAX runs. I've
63 drerx7 : They are heavy BFirst birds. So they are a true niche aircraft. Heavy though...at CO they serve routes that they would serve with 752s if the 752 had
64 washingtonian : Do you know what other routes were dropped off the top of your head? I know JFK-NRT & LHR was switched to IAD (as well as some South America serv
65 legacyins : UA never flew the SFO-AKL route. UA 858, SFO-PVG is still a 744.
66 UATulipfan : There is no re-engining program for the 762. They still have the same engines and the AA 762s are getting up there in age.
67 United Airline : You should say 'I think United will order a mix of' I think UA will eventually get the A 380 and/or the B 747-8. They need them
68 DualQual : The 762ER has more range than the 752. The only way a 752 goes EWR-FCO/ATH is with a stop in SNN. 762 also has way more cargo capability. So the 762
69 tozairport : My bad, I meant LAX-AKL. This route has been going back and forth between the 777 and the -400. This is why I said "at times". JFK-HKG comes to mind,
70 RoseFlyer : The new United is about the size of the old United from 10 years ago. United went from about 100,000 employees to less than 50,000 in an 8 year time
71 tozairport : If you take one airplane that seats 100-140, and divide it into 2 airplanes that seat 50-70, and repeat that hundreds of times, then you will have mo
72 Post contains images 328JET : Hmm, did i forget to write "I think United will..." LOL I should have done so! But i still believe in my prediction and i also believe they will phas
73 Antoniemey : Yes, it is... But the question is not how CO's 762ERs perform in comparison to UA's 763s, which are configured much differently, but whether or not t
74 davs5032 : Do they need planes in their fleet with this much capacity? Their 744's have 374 seats; how many routes do they have that need or can support a ~500
75 Stitch : Maybe, maybe not. With the merger with CO, UA now has additional traffic they can funnel through SFO, ORD and IAD that could mean that a ~400-seat 74
76 Thrust : It's kind of strange how UA can't fill up their 747s, yet for the rest of the airline world, the 747 is proving to be too small. Air Canada is the on
77 FriendlySkies : The rest of the airline world doesn't have 4 large international hubs to send passengers through. I don't understand why this argument keeps coming u
78 AADC10 : It is not that UA cannot fill their 744s, it is that keeping them full drives the yields down and the lower fuel efficiency versus the 772 and A350 c
79 Flighty : UACO is so big, they will need a few go-to aircraft orders just to maintain their fleet. With so many aircraft, you can't go any length of time withou
80 Antoniemey : CO has had pretty much a continual trickle of planes for over a decade, so hopefully the philosophy of always having a few coming in a year will carr
81 jfk777 : There have to be routes the 762ER can do within the new United. Replacing all those 757 on the Newark to LHR route would be a good start, for the inc
82 AirNZ : Hmmm, in which case I wonder why they don't just put 25 BF seats in every aircraft and not have to worry about anything else if you think "revenue is
83 BrianDromey : CO are bringing a fine fleet of very fresh 73G/73H/739/9ERs to the party. The 752s are all late builds too, I believe. If they are looking to replace
84 hannahpa : Just a thought, but doesn't the 747-8I have a fuel savings of 16-20% over the -400? Each new plane will get better and better fuel economy. If the -8
85 Stitch : That was what Boeing was projecting.
86 Flighty : The 748 supposedly has equal costs (fuel burn) to a 744, but it is larger, so it can carry about 15% more people. If those seats are empty, then there
87 manfredj : Isn't the writing on the wall here: “They are shopping around because they think they can get a very good deal,” Merluzeau said, in an interview.
88 kiwiandrew : . Really ? I think you exaggerate , not all that many airlines have decided the 747 is too small judging by the relatively small number of A380 custom
89 Stitch : They employ them on select long-haul missions where the premium cabin and cargo demand is such that a 757-200 can't perform the mission as profitably
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