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Thai To Order New Aircraft?  
User currently offlineasianaA350 From Australia, joined Jan 2011, 15 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7864 times:

http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsworld.php?id=556843


Interesting! Wonder what type(s) they are considering?

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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6938 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7869 times:

In the second half of last year both Boeing and Airbus made detailed offers to Thai. There were rumours that the order would be placed before the end of 2010. So, it has been bubbling along for a while. Should be a good start to the year for either or both of the manufacturers.

I could see both 777s and A350s being in the mix...


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7829 times:

They currently have 8 77W, 12 A333 and 6 A380 on order. As they have announced plans to refurbish seats on 12 747s, I think most of the new orders will be for A350/B787 sized aircraft.

The linked article in OP suggests an order for 37 aircraft. Here's my breakdown of the likely order:

A359.........22 to replace 20 B772/772ER/B773
B788.........15 to replace 13 A300-600

[Edited 2011-01-14 22:41:35]

User currently offlineasianaA350 From Australia, joined Jan 2011, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7802 times:

The Thai livery looks stunning on any aircraft! I'm excited to see what's to come of this!

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Should be a good start to the year for either or both of the manufacturers.

Agreed   Especially if DL is planning a big order soon! Hope 2011 is a ripper.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6938 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7750 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 2):
B788.........15 to replace 13 A300-600

I'm not disagreeing that TG will order the 787 (I'm confident they will), but I'm under the impression that the previous and current orders for A330s were to replace the A300s. (That has certainly happened on 'my' route: Fukuoka to Bangkok.)


User currently offlineasianaA350 From Australia, joined Jan 2011, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7737 times:

Just noticed on the Thai site that they have some 734 aircraft in op. These would be getting on a bit no? Is it likely this new order could include some narrowbody jets as well? That would be interesting considering the variety of new models on offer such as the Cseries, Superjet etc.

User currently offlinesimfanatic From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7461 times:

If I am not mistaken, they put options on some A321's didn't they? I've heard TG in conjunction with A321. 


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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7327 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 4):
I'm not disagreeing that TG will order the 787 (I'm confident they will), but I'm under the impression that the previous and current orders for A330s were to replace the A300s. (That has certainly happened on 'my' route: Fukuoka to Bangkok.)

In that case what would the B788 replace? The article talks about a new order in conjunction with retirement of older aircraft.

I am hoping to see an A330 on BKK-MAA, a route that I have flown several times.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12519 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7261 times:

I had understood that it would be for A350s and 787s; the initial 787 order might be for -8s only, but I don't think there is anyone hear who would not think that -9s wouldn't be ordered in the future. Frankly, I would expect some -9s in the initial order, together with a combo of A350-900s and -1000s.

Quoting simfanatic (Reply 6):
If I am not mistaken, they put options on some A321's didn't they? I've heard TG in conjunction with A321.

There were interested in them in the past, but nothing came of it. I think that they need to look at their narrowbodied fleet, because all they have now is a very small number of 734s, which are not in the full flush of youth. It may be that they are leaving the narrowbodied operations to their partner carriers; I heard that they were setting up a short haul subsidiary in conjunction with another company.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31119 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6647 times:
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Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 7):
In that case what would the B788 replace? The article talks about a new order in conjunction with retirement of older aircraft.

It might be TG is looking at a single source supplier to replace the 772/77E fleets? So it would be 787-9 vs. A350-900 like at CX.


User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6613 times:

Interesting I believe Le Bourget will be an interesting Air Show this year with DL, UA and TG looking to buy new aircraft..
I don´t say that all of these will go to Airbus but I do believe Airbus will earn its good share with them  



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6274 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 4):
I'm not disagreeing that TG will order the 787 (I'm confident they will), but I'm under the impression that the previous and current orders for A330s were to replace the A300s.

You may be right as Thai has 12 A333 on order, which could replace 13 A300-600.



Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
It might be TG is looking at a single source supplier to replace the 772/77E fleets? So it would be 787-9 vs. A350-900 like at CX.

Assuming that Thai expects some growth on the current B772 routes, A359 would be a better fit.

My revised breakdown for the 37 aircraft order:

A359/B789......25 to replace 20 B772s
B77W.............12 to replace 12 B747s.

Thai has 8 77W on order, of which 3 would replace the leased ones, and a new order of 12 would take them to 17 B77Ws, which along with 6 A380s on order could replace all 18 747s over time and accommodate additional growth.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31119 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6141 times:
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Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 11):
Assuming that Thai expects some growth on the current B772 routes, A359 would be a better fit.

An A350-900 will hold about three more rows, so that's between 24 (8-abreast Premium Economy) or 27 (9-abreast Economy).

If TG is expecting growth on 777-200 routes, they should be looking at additional 777-300ERs.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5514 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
An A350-900 will hold about three more rows, so that's between 24 (8-abreast Premium Economy) or 27 (9-abreast Economy).

If TG is expecting growth on 777-200 routes, they should be looking at additional 777-300ERs.

Perhaps not that much growth. I think A359 has an edge over B789 for B772 replacement.

I wonder if Thai could go all Airbus with an order of A359/A350-1000.


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5421 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
If TG is expecting growth on 777-200 routes, they should be looking at additional 777-300ERs.

Why exactly? As per your own figures A359 will increase capacity by 22-27 so am curious why the repeated 'push' for 777 unless you are talking about considerable growth and which I feel to be overly optimistic?


User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4720 times:

I thought Thai had plans to replace its A340 fleet as well. I think they already are flying 773ERs, which could serve as an A346 replacement, though I may be wrong about that. Does Thai have any 772LRs on order? If so, it might be possible for them to start up JFK-BKK again as well as replace the A345s on the BKK-LAX route.


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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

As per wiki, which in turn is picking this up from Thai 2010 presentation at its shareholders meeting:
Quote:
2013-2017: phase out of 32 aging aircraft, delivery of 11 aircraft that have already been approved, and acquisition of 33 new aircraft, including 26 next generation wide-bodied aircraft and 7 narrow-bodied aircraft.

So that would suggest 7 NBs, and 30 WBs. Here's my revised breakdown:

NBs..................7
A359...............20 to replace 20 B772s
B77W.............10 to replace B747s.

Thai has 8 77W on order, of which 3 would replace the leased ones, and a new order of 10 would take them to 15 B77Ws, which along with 6 A380s on order could replace all 18 747s, and perhaps 6 A346s over time.

Likely breakdown for phasing out 32 aging aircraft:
734.....................9
A300-600...........13
B772/B773.........10


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31119 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4303 times:
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Quoting AirNZ (Reply 14):
Why exactly? As per your own figures A359 will increase capacity by 22-27 so am curious why the repeated 'push' for 777 unless you are talking about considerable growth and which I feel to be overly optimistic?

The honest reason is I just don't see two dozen seats as something that would be the primary criteria such a purchasing decision would be made on. With less seats the 787-9 in theory could see higher RASM through higher yields (less seats available for sale raising average fares through the Law of Supply and Demand).

I expect other criteria play a more important role when choosing between the two aircraft, which is why some have selected the 787-9 and others have selected the A350-900.

And I would like to note for the record I did also suggest a dual A350-900 and A350-1000 buy, so it doesn't have to be a 777-300ER to support stronger traffic growth.  


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

Quoting Thrust (Reply 15):
I thought Thai had plans to replace its A340 fleet as well.

TG's small fleet of A340-500s has been for sale for some time. But the carrier cannot find a buyer.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6938 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

No-one has mentioned the 747-8i yet but we know that Boeing have been pushing it at Thai as part of this campaign.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31119 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3444 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 19):
No-one has mentioned the 747-8i yet but we know that Boeing have been pushing it at Thai as part of this campaign.

I don't really see where it would fit in their fleet with the 77W and A388 in place (or soon to be).

I mean they've said they can't make money with a 500+ seat A380-800, but have to take it because they'd forfeit close to a billion USD if they cancelled. So I would expect they'd really lose their shirts with a 400-seat 747-8.

Then again, about the only "next generation widebody aircraft" they can get in the 2013-2017 tranche is the A380-800 and 747-8, so...  


User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2089 times:
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Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 16):
NBs..................7
A359...............20 to replace 20 B772s
B77W.............10 to replace B747s.

I agree with you here. I think the NB will be ether 320's or 321's.

I don't see 747-800's in TG fleet because of their order for the 777-300ER, but one should never say never considering the dictatorships control over TG.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 20):
mean they've said they can't make money with a 500+ seat A380-800

I guess TG is the only airline in the world that can't make money with the 380...



2-3-2 is NOT a premium configuration
User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Speaking of TG's A380, on what routes will these be put when they are delivered? Im guessing the more popular european routes, such as LHR?
ARN is another route they have 744 today. It's a known fact that swedes love Thailand, but all of them ride economy. Some people here in Sweden claims that we will probably see the TG A380 on comercial service at ARN in a not to distant future. I have my doubts, as i dont think they will be able to fill all the business class seats. The 777 with a high density layout is probably (sadly) a better choice.


User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1861 times:
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Quoting deltamartin (Reply 22):
Speaking of TG's A380, on what routes will these be put when they are delivered? Im guessing the more popular european routes, such as LHR?

From what I have heard the 380's will fly to FRA, LHR and CDG.

I am sorry to say, but I seriously doubt that a TG 380 will ever fly into ARN. After the update of all the 7442's is done I think ARN and CPH will be served by 777 AC without a first cabin.



2-3-2 is NOT a premium configuration
User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4802 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1800 times:
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Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 21):
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 16):
NBs..................7
A359...............20 to replace 20 B772s
B77W.............10 to replace B747s.

I agree with you here.


I think that list is one I can agree to as well. It would make sense for TG to increase their fleet along these lines imho.  .

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 21):
I think the NB will be ether 320's or 321's.


That would be my guess as well, but both Airbus and Boeing are lobbying hard for TG's orders. So I would not be surprised if TG would choose something different here.  .


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