Maverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5801 posts, RR: 7 Posted (4 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10714 times:
Apparently, back in December, a controller purposely (according to the FAA) changed the data tag for US Airways Flight 192 MCO-PHX, from AWE192 to AWE129. Thankfully, it appears the controller was caught, and could possibly face criminal charges.
IMO, he should be charged with one count of attempted murder for every single person aboard. Absolutely disgusting, and kudos to the pilot for recognizing the situation.
stlAV8R From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10520 times:
Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 1): I wonder what the controller's motive was. 'though this does have the makings of a good plot to a book or movie!
It goes back to the old saying..."To smart for your own good!". That controller was probably bored and because he thought it would be funny to see others confused and probably have to go to him for help. This is despicable.
jetboy757 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10341 times:
There is no doubt that the controllers actions were irresponsible, but to scare the public and to compare this to "bumper cars" is totally irresponsible. This situation would be no different than a loss comm situation, which happens ALL the time. You just make sure the other planes aren't a factor for the one plane that you aren't in contact with. And again I do agree the controller should be punished.
rolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1810 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10208 times:
I don't know if this is the case here but I seems to have witnessed several incidents where people have failed to correctly differentiate between an acceptable joke and a serious offense. Maybe some persons have difficulty in making that distinction.
PapaChuck From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9848 times:
I smell something fishy here.
First of all, intentionally changing an aircraft callsign isn't always a bad thing. Check out this thread from tech/ops a while back for further discussion. However, I doubt that was the case here.
I'll go out on a limb here, but I have a feeling this was a hiccup in the automation between the center and approach control. For some reason, the flight plan wouldn't pass to approach and the approach controller had to enter their own information on the flight into the computer. For whatever reason, the callsign was entered incorrectly and the error wasn't detected until the next controller attempted to contact AWE192. From there, the flight plan was fixed and everyone went along their merry way.
Now for the big question: Does a keyboard error that was corrected by the next controller mandate termination of employment and criminal prosecution? If so, then throw me and every other controller in the slammer because we've all fat-fingered keyboard entries from time to time. Sure, we're supposed to get it right every time, but mistakes happen and either we catch them or the next guy does. Such is the nature of the game.
Also, should we be trusting anything the media says about ATC? Let's face it, they typically haven't got a clue what they're talking about when it comes to anything ATC/aviation related. I can guarantee you that we're not getting the whole story here. Is it possible that a disgruntled controller did this intentionally? Sure, but the scenario mentioned above is one of about a dozen I can come with that are much more plausable.
DTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9666 times:
I don't know much about the workings of ATC. But, I do think that pressing charges to this controler is a little much.
If they determine that he/she did this on purpose. Then I think they should be fired. However, I agree with Papachuck.
Everyone makes mistakes. However, if this person is making this mistake all the time. Then they should be terminated.
We are not getting the full story here. And the new media can not tell a cessna from a B737. So I tend not to believe alot of things they report when it come to avation in general.
Me too. Sounds like the typical sensationalistic media report. "Purposely changed it" does not mean anything. It does not mean he WANTED to kill people (and lets get serious here, just changing a flight number will not make a plane magically explode).
My guess is he brain-farted, or is dyslexic, and he wrote the number wrong. Whoop-de-doo. Controllers have done it to me several times.
justindpilot From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8541 times:
Without naming sources.. The news was right it was intentional, a prank one coworker played on another co-worker. The flight was never in danger but public preception is all that matters here. Professional, no not at all.. Criminal charges are ridiculous but some sort of administrative discipline will happen, most likely termination.
rcair1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1368 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8443 times:
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Quoting aa43e (Reply 13): Well said PC! This society of ours seems predisposed toward over reaction and sensationalism. That and we're top heavy with pot stirrers!
And there must always be somebody punished, publicly.
Unless of course it is a really heinous crime, in which case it is somebody else's fault, not the criminals
And, the punishment often inversely related to the seriosity.
Unless this ATC has a history of incompetence - termination is way too big a deal.
UAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8167 times:
Quoting Maverick623 (Thread starter): IMO, he should be charged with one count of attempted murder for every single person aboard. Absolutely disgusting, and kudos to the pilot for recognizing the situation
Are you kidding, you know nothing about the facts and why this really happened and you are ready to charge this guy with murder!!!!! Your comments are completely irrational and not justified in any way.
Earlier today I was in a hurry and was speeding along the interstate at about 95mph, I guess technically I could have killed someone if a whole series of things has went wrong so maybe you would want to charge me with murder? BEWARE people in the South Denver metro area, I'm about to leave for Park Meadows Mall to get a pair of socks, I know without a doubt I will be speeding, or attempting murder!!!!!
qantasguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7556 times:
Hmmmmm, I'm dyslexic, and know how easy it is to read and re-read numbers wrong. What should be up for evaluation is the fact that he may have a problem reading/repeating numbers in the wrong order - not something ideal for this profession. If it's an isolated case, chalk it up to being human, if it's a deeper problem, lets help the guy, not fire him. I can't imagine he's out to do any malice. The news outlets are most likely getting it wrong. I'm in the media, and know how much we screw it up sometimes. I wish I was part of aviation reporting, I'd clean it up a lot
justindpilot From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7449 times:
Quoting qantasguy (Reply 21): Hmmmmm, I'm dyslexic, and know how easy it is to read and re-read numbers wrong. What should be up for evaluation is the fact that he may have a problem reading/repeating numbers in the wrong order - not something ideal for this profession. If it's an isolated case, chalk it up to being human, if it's a deeper problem, lets help the guy, not fire him. I can't imagine he's out to do any malice. The news outlets are most likely getting it wrong. I'm in the media, and know how much we screw it up sometimes. I wish I was part of aviation reporting, I'd clean it up a lot
The controller working the flight read the callsign just fine off the tag. He was not the controller in trouble. The controller working another sector that modified a data tag to an incorrect callsign in someone else's control is the one in hot water.