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Routings Of GIA & PAL Flights From LGW In The 80s  
User currently offlineTimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 354 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

I wonder if anyone has a recollection of the routings, flight numbers and arr/dep times at LGW of the Garuda Indonesia flights to from Jakarta and later Denpasar in the 80s and early 90s? I seem to remember that they were originally multi-stop services routing though SIN a few intermediate stops and ? AMS before arriving at LGW. However, just before they discontinued flights to Europe, I think they routed to DPS with only one stop on route. Does anyone have the timetables available perhaps?
Also, the same applies for the PAL routings to/from Manila - I know these were also multi-stoppers via FRA.

Many thanks in anticipation.

Tim

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User currently offlineiclcy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

I flew GA

LGW - DPS rtn in 1997, 767.

Outbound routing was LGW-BKK-CGK-DPS, same aircraft all the way.

Return routing was DPS-CGK-BTH-AMM-LGW again with 767 same aircraft all the way.

Unfortunatly flight numbers & scheds I cant remember, all that info is buried deep somewhere in my fathers loft. I had some of the best Y food on those flights.


User currently offlinedirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

This thread has some info on historical PR and GA services to Gatwick.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/3438559

According to airlineroute.net, PR operated in 1981:
1 weekly MNL-BKK-KHI-ATH-FRA-LGW 747
1 weekly MNL-BKK-KHI-FRA-LGW 747


User currently offlinePA101 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Back in 1983/1984 (I was just 4 years old), my folks and I flew on PR to Australia.
The routing was:
AMS-FCO-ATH-BAH-BKK-MNL-SYD-MEL on DC10s
However, the stop in FCO was skipped, after we had left AMS with a 14-hour (!!!) delay...


User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8045 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Amazing to recall those routings. I think Garuda started out with Jakarta-Singapore-Kuala Lumpur-Yangon-Bangkok-Ho Chi Minh-Dhaka-Calcutta-Delhi-Karachi-Chabahar-Shiraz-Tehran-Istanbul-Athens-Salonica-Rome-Milan-Geneva-Basel-Frankfurt-Amsterdam-Southend-London Gatwick.

Operated twice a year, autumn service skipped Shiraz and Southend, and was known as the "Executive Express".



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User currently offlineditzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 711 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

In June/July 1992 we flew GA to LGW. GA976 CGK-SIN-AUH-ZRH-LGW. GA880 LGW-CDG-AUH-SIN-CGK. Both sectors ops by 742. The return aircaft had an expanded C class and less Y. On both aircraft F was upstairs. The crew allowed my sister and I to ride upstairs on the ZRH-LGW as the only guests up there (with a couple of visits to the flight deck), which we thought was amazing.

We immigrated to Australia on PAL in May 1982. The routing was as described above. Aircraft was D10.


User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 4):
Amazing to recall those routings. I think Garuda started out with Jakarta-Singapore-Kuala Lumpur-Yangon-Bangkok-Ho Chi Minh-Dhaka-Calcutta-Delhi-Karachi-Chabahar-Shiraz-Tehran-Istanbul-Athens-Salonica-Rome-Milan-Geneva-Basel-Frankfurt-Amsterdam-Southend-London Gatwick.

Operated twice a year, autumn service skipped Shiraz and Southend, and was known as the "Executive Express".

It operated twice a year probably because it took the aircraft 6 months to get there and back!



A310/A319/20/21/A332/3/A343/6/A388/B732/5/7/8/B742/S/4/B752/B763/B772/3/W/E145/J41/MD11/83/90
User currently offlineboacvc10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 4):
Amazing to recall those routings. I think Garuda started out with Jakarta-Singapore-Kuala Lumpur-Yangon-Bangkok-Ho Chi Minh-Dhaka-Calcutta-Delhi-Karachi-Chabahar-Shiraz-Tehran-Istanbul-Athens-Salonica-Rome-Milan-Geneva-Basel-Frankfurt-Amsterdam-Southend-London Gatwick.

What years did was this route active? Looks like a flight plan for a prop aircraft, but would it have been a twin or a quad?

For Dhaka, that should have been Tezgaon / Tejgaon airport, the WWII era airport preceding the modern (!) DAC and located inside of the city at present.



Up, up and Away!
User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8045 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

No no no I was joking. It just felt like that many stops.


fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

Quoting TimRees (Thread starter):
Also, the same applies for the PAL routings to/from Manila - I know these were also multi-stoppers via FRA.

As indicated in your photos - PR734/735....
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Manila To Dublin: 1978 (by articulatexpat Jan 12 2011 in Aviation Polls)

Those were initially flown with DC-10s including this one in Nigerian Airways livery, before it was repainted into PR colors.....

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I can't recall the arr/dep times - anyway, those were often missed.   They also flew to ZRH.....

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Quoting PA101 (Reply 3):
Back in 1983/1984 (I was just 4 years old), my folks and I flew on PR to Australia.
The routing was:
AMS-FCO-ATH-BAH-BKK-MNL-SYD-MEL on DC10s

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Only photos of PR at ATH and FCO in the database are 747s, no pics at BAH and KHI.....

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Quoting ditzyboy (Reply 5):
We immigrated to Australia on PAL in May 1982. The routing was as described above. Aircraft was D10.

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User currently offlineditzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 711 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

Thanks for the pic, Devifish! Forget to mention we entered Australia on QF20 as our DC-10 broke down a second time! The first leg LGW-AMS was operated by a chartered BCal 1-11.

Regarding airline food, by favourite airine meal EVER was onboard GA949 DPS-CGK AB3 in June 1992. It was shredded beef with coconut chilli sauce. The food and the service was really quite good on Garuda.


User currently offlineTimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

Thanks for the replies so far. Can anyone remember the routing in the 90s when I believe they flew to DPS with only one intermediate stop?
I believe the GIA flights arrived around 1000 and left around 1200 and the PAL arrived around 1100 and left around 1300. Anyone have a better recollection than that?


User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6760 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Quoting TimRees (Reply 11):
Can anyone remember the routing in the 90s when I believe they flew to DPS with only one intermediate stop?

LGW-BKK-DPS... after the 744s came.

The thing is... GA's European routes changed so much in the 80s I don't think anyone remembered anything!
Since the 80s... Before the MD11s and 744s came... all European flights were via AUH. Sometimes it was Jakarta-AUH... sometimes it was Jakarta-SIN-AUH...
from AUH... all hell broke loose...
LGW had an LGW-FCO-AUH... then LGW-FRA-AUH... then LGW-CDG-AUH... then LGW-ZRH-AUH... and don't ask me which was when... call Garuda and they probably couldn't remember.

I gotta look for my old GA timetables... *damn! where are they?*



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Its a bit later, but in 2002 GA operated a twice weekly LGW-BKK-DPS. This was replaced later in the year with six weekly LGW-FRA-SIN-CGK which was canned after the bomb in 2004. All flights used the 744.

User currently offlineTimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1637 times:

Thanks everyone. Anyone know if GIA will return to the UK market sometime soon? I seem to remember reading somewhere that they were planning on expansion in Europe in 2011/12 as new aircraft (777s) arrive.
Anyone know if PAL ever return to the UK market. Strange that there are no direct flights London-Manila with such a large Philippino population in the UK. Perhaps Emirates has the whole market cornered via DXB?


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