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Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Thread Part 4  
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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2218 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 63134 times:

Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (Jan-16-2011)

15 Completed airframes :

L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F, RC501, serial number 35808, F/F Feb-08-2010, test aircraft #1, light Boeing livery, test reg. N747EX, Cargolux reg. LX-VCA (LX-ECV-- NTU), selcal code CK-EQ, based at KSBD.

L/N 1421 - 747-8KZF, RC521, serial number 36136, F/F March-17-2010, test aircraft #2, light Boeing livery, test reg. N5017Q, NCA reg. JA-11KZ, based at KSBD.

L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522, serial number 36137, F/F March-14-2010, test aircraft #3, light Boeing livery, test reg. N50217, NCA reg. JA-12KZ, based at KMWH.

L/N 1423 - 747-8R7F, RC502, serial number 35806, test aircraft #6?, grey primer livery, scheduled for paint hangar in April 2011, Cargolux reg. LX-VCB (LX-ACV-- NTU), no engines installed, F/F expected April-May 2011, KPAE flight line

L/N 1424 - 747-8R7F, RC503, serial number 35807, F/F July-22-2010, test aircraft #4, full Cargolux livery, test reg. N5573S, Cargolux reg. LX-VCC (LX-DCV-- NTU), based KPAE

L/N 1425 - 747-8HTF, RC541, serial number 37132, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo( #1), full KAL livery, HL7609), no engines installed, KPAE flight line

L/N 1426 - 747-8HTF, RC542, serial number 37133, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo (#2), full KAL livery, HL7610), no engines installed, KPAE flight line

L/N 1427 - 747-867F, RC551, serial number 39238, Cathay #1, future registration B-LJA, special “Hong Kong Trader” livery , no engines installed, KPAE flight line

L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RC552, serial number 39239, Cathay #2, , registration B-LJB, full livery, no engines installed, KPAE flight line

L/N 1429 - 747-87UF, RC571, serial number 37562, Atlas Air #1, allocated Atlas registration N580GT, leased to GSS (BA World Cargo), G-GSSD , painted basic white-dark blue BA colours) ), no engines installed, KPAE flight line

L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, future registration VQ-BGZ (Volga Dnepr Group) , full ABC livery, no engines installed, KPAE flight line.

L/N 1431 - 747-8KZF, RC523, serial number 36138, test aircraft #5, NCA #3, test registration N6009F, future registration JA13KZ,selcal code FQEM, white livery, engines installed, F/F expected Feb 2011, KPAE flight line

L/N 1432 - 747-87UF, RC572, serial number 37563, Atlas Air #2, allocated Atlas registration N851GT, leased to GSS(BA World Cargo), G-GSSE , white livery, no engines installed, KPAE flight line.

L/N 1433 - 747-867F, RC553, serial number 39240, Cathay #3, registration B-LJC, full livery, no engines installed, KPAE flight line.

L/N 1434 - 747-8JK*, RC001, serial number 38636*, First 747-8I test aircraft, destined for a BBJ customer in Kuwait, Parked in Building 40-23 for remaining gauntlet tests. This first Boeing 747-8 for a VIP customer will be equipped by Lufthansa Technik and will spend a maximum of 18 months at the Hamburg Completion Center, after flight testing has been completed, Official roll-out ceremony January 29, expected F/F March 21th .

* = only one source(CH aviation), not confirmed by other sources yet.

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At this moment : 4 Airframes at the Final Assembly Line (FAL), Building 40-22 and 2 known airframes scheduled for Final Assembly.


L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, second 747-8I test aircraft, Lufthansa, D-ABYE, FAL, slant position 2, FAL (40-22) roll out January 31, remaining gauntlet tests will also be completed in building 40-23, expected “official” assembly roll-out February 18, expected F/F April 24th.

L/N 1436 - 747-8R7F, RC504, serial number 35809, Cargolux #4, FAL, first slant position, registration LX-VCD.

L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, Atlas Air #3, FAL, body join position, allocated Atlas registration N852GT, leased to GSS (BA World Cargo), G-GSSF

L/N 1438 - 747-867F, RC554, serial number 39241, Cathay # 4, FAL, wing join position, future registration B-LJD

L/N 1439 - 747-8XX , RC002, serial number -------, BBJ customer , delivered “green” in 2011

L/N 1440 – 747-8XX ,RC003, serial number--------, BBJ customer , delivered “green” in 2011


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Additions and/or corrections in this listing are highly appreciated, especially any info about L/N 1441 and further.

Peter

[Edited 2011-01-16 02:37:35]


Operating a twin over the ocean, you're always one engine failure from a total emergency.
User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2218 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 62931 times:

747-8 Flight test update

With the start of a new thread, here a summary for the last 4 months of flight testing.

Sept 30 2010, Official from Boeing. EIS is delayed until mid-2011 and 5th 747-8F will be added to the test fleet.

The 747-8F flight test program was set back by 6 months by the following issues :

- A first flutter issue is caused by the combination of the new inboard flaps and the wing gear strut doors. This issue seems to have solved now, however against a lot of extra flight test hours.
- The second issue centers on the aircraft's inboard ailerons and the power control unit that drives them. Boeing found that when a pilot makes a slow input on the jumbo jet's controls the high pressures in the hydraulic system cause an oscillation, requiring a fix in the actuator.
- The third and most important issue, the freighter was found to encounter a structural 2,4 Hz flutter at mid-weight near cruise speed, requiring engineers to dampen out the aeroelastic vibration. Options for resolution include adding structure to the wing or potentially developing a new control law to avoid the condition.

October-2010
- Wake vortex testing is started in a one by one comparison between RC503 and a traded in ex. KAL 747-400BCF(N794BA)
- October 18 , Boeing 747-8F flight test has passed the 1000 hrs milestone : 1088h and 414 landings.
- Replacement and/or adaption of the low speed aileron actuators, the fix for the limit cycle oscillation of the inboard ailerons.
- Updating the roll control software with the 'outboard aileron modal suppression system' or OAMS, an engineering law that is designed to dampen the flutter and improve the stability and control of the aircraft. This seems to be the fix for the 2.4Hz structural flutter that occurs at a mid-weight near cruise speed.
- RC501 : Stationed at Edwards AFB ( KEDW ) since 19 October for Vmu tests.
- RC521 : Stationed in Palmdale ( KPMD ), since 24 October performing daily flights at the west coast over the ocean, validating the operation of the new inboard aileron actuators.
- RC522 : Stationed in Moses Lake (KMWH ) and performing from 22 October daily flutter tests in the Flutter Track to clear the entire flight envelope for flutter free operation
- RC503 : Post flight maintenance at PaineField (KPAE) since 17 October, after return from San Bernadino after the Fresno wake vortex tests.

Nov 2010:
- N794BA left the 747-8F test program at November 21.
- Rumours are spreading that also a sixth test aircraft will join the presently available four test aircraft (RC501, 521, 522 and 503).
- The fifth test aircraft was to be RC502 and is scheduled be added to the test fleet late April 2011.
- The sixth test aircraft, RC523, NCA#3 is already supplied with engines and surrounding structure at November 14th. Expected F/F February 2011.

Dec 2010 :
- Lay ups before the next round of tests. Testing continued at reduced rate during the Christmas – New Year closure of the Boeing factory.
- After more than 1500 hrs flight test completed, the total required flight test hours are increased from 1600 to 3000 hrs.

January 2011 :
- RC501 is starting with the flight load survey testing from San Bernadino (KSBD)
- RC521 is proceeding with artificial ice shape testing out of KSBD.
- RC522 proceeded with the flutter tests out of KMWH.
- RC503 is involved with the remainder of the test flights.

Last post in thread #3 from Laddie :
- "The 747-8 flight test fleet seems to be hitting its stride now. The flaps 30 buffet issue is fixed, and Boeing feels they have the wing 2.4 Hz vibration issue solved with OAMS (they just have to convince the FAA that an electronic solution to a flutter issue is OK).
- The flight load survey testing is a big hurdle. If the airplane structure has some margin in it, then Boeing can look at a modest MTOW increase to further the max range. That may not be important for the Freighter, but the Intercontinental could always take advantage of more range. A max range greater than the A380 would be an advantage for the -8i, and 8,000 nm would be the ultimate goal.
- Let's hope the first -8F can be delivered this summer, and then the backlog of -8Fs cleared from the flight line. The Paris Air Show is in June, and I don't think they can manage a delivery by then, but soon thereafter would be an encouraging sign and a boost for Boeing morale."

[Edited 2011-01-16 05:33:34]


Operating a twin over the ocean, you're always one engine failure from a total emergency.
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Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 62701 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 1):
Quoting 747classic (Reply 2):

Thank You for two more outstanding summaries, your yeoman's service in keeping our community so well informed on thus topic is greatly appreciated!



747-8Fs parked on the Boeing Ramp at PAE (12/28/10).


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4938 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 62593 times:
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Quoting mdword1959 (Reply 3):
Quoting 747classic (Reply 1):

Quoting 747classic (Reply 2):

Thank You for two more outstanding summaries, your yeoman's service in keeping our community so well informed on thus topic is greatly appreciated!



Thanks from me as well. The summary is very informative and comprehensive. The words from mdword1959 say it all imho.  .


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5478 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 62493 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 1):
Quoting 747classic (Reply 2):

It is so refreshing that with all the sniping and beeoching clogging up a.net that some will take the time to pass along well researched and informative information on a very interesting program.

Thanks.



What the...?
User currently offlinehannahpa From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 62456 times:
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Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 5):
It is so refreshing that with all the sniping and beeoching clogging up a.net that some will take the time to pass along well researched and informative information on a very interesting program.

Ditto!!!


User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 624 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 61979 times:

Boeing has kicked off its sales campaign by going to Wall Street to generate more interest in the Intercontinental amongst aircraft financiers. "Freighter Later" (the design philosophy that makes it easier to convert passenger airplanes into cargo models) and "Three Decks of Revenue" (to emphasize the Intercontinental's revenue cargo carrying capability) are two of the tag lines. Look for a big presence at the Paris Air Show in June.

I have heard rumors from Normally Reliable Sources that RC503 (in her Cargolux colors) will be flying to Luxembourg on the week of January 24 to demonstrate a polar route flight and "fly the flag" around northern Europe.

[Edited 2011-01-17 07:48:22]

User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2218 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 61534 times:

Following line number information can be added to the provisional 747-8 production list (see reply 1 in this thread)


L/N 1441 - 747-867F, RC555, serial number 39242, Cathay #4 , future registration B-LJE

L/N 1442 - 747-87UF, RC574, serial number 37565*, Atlas Air #4, allocated Atlas registration N853GT

L/N 1443 - 747-830 , RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa #2, D-ABYA.......................................................................(Probably, the first 747-8 Intercontinental in service !!!!)

L/N 1444 - 747-87UF, RC575, serial number 37566*, Atlas Air #5, allocated Atlas registration N854GT

L/N 1445 - 747-87UF, RC576, serial number 37567*, Atlas Air #6, allocated Atlas registration N855GT

L/N 1446 - 747-8XX , RC004, serial number--------, BBJ customer , delivered "green" in 2011

L/N 1447 - 747-867F, RC556, serial number 39243*, Cathay #5 , future registration B-LJF

L/N 1448 - 747-8HVF, RC602, serial number -------, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2

L/N 1449 - 747-8XX , RC005, serial number--------, BBJ customer , delivered "green" in 2011

L/N 1450 - 747-867F, RC557, serial number 39244*, Cathay #6 , future registration B-LJG

L/N 1451 - 747-830 , RC023, serial number 37828, Lufthansa #3, D-ABYC

*= serial numbers not yet confirmed, but highly probable extrapolation of Atlas order (12x, date 11-Sept-2006) and Cathay order (10x, date 8-Nov-2007).

A-netters : additions, confirmations and/or corrections of this provisional listing are highly appreciated.

[Edited 2011-01-18 06:10:37]


Operating a twin over the ocean, you're always one engine failure from a total emergency.
User currently offlineAirlineReporter From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 61198 times:

Boeing has announced roll out will be Feb 13th of the first 747-8 Intercontinental

http://twitter.com/#!/BoeingAirplanes/status/27496332260278272


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4938 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 61105 times:
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Good news. I will be watching on Febraury 13th.  .

User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1715 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 60729 times:

Quoting AirlineReporter (Reply 9):
Boeing has announced roll out will be Feb 13th of the first 747-8 Intercontinental

I'm so hoping for the dreamliner levery on the 747-8i. The 'light' livery is so boring.



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User currently offlineGordomatic From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 60580 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 11):
I'm so hoping for the dreamliner levery on the 747-8i. The 'light' livery is so boring.

I agree white is boring and would also prefer to see the dreamliner livery on the 747-8i. But would Boeing spend the additional money for a much nicer livery for RC001 when after flight testing it will most likely be repainted by BBJ customer anyway?

I hope we are pleasantly surprised.

[Edited 2011-01-19 07:54:59]


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User currently offlineCCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 846 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 60511 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 8):
Following line number information can be added to the provisional 747-8 production list (see reply 1 in this thread)


L/N 1441 - 747-867F, RC555, serial number 39242, Cathay #4 , future registration B-LJE

L/N 1442 - 747-87UF, RC574, serial number 37565*, Atlas Air #4, allocated Atlas registration N853GT

L/N 1443 - 747-830 , RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa #2, D-ABYA.......................................................................(Probably, the first 747-8 Intercontinental in service !!!!)

L/N 1444 - 747-87UF, RC575, serial number 37566*, Atlas Air #5, allocated Atlas registration N854GT

L/N 1445 - 747-87UF, RC576, serial number 37567*, Atlas Air #6, allocated Atlas registration N855GT

L/N 1446 - 747-8XX , RC004, serial number--------, BBJ customer , delivered "green" in 2011

L/N 1447 - 747-867F, RC556, serial number 39243*, Cathay #5 , future registration B-LJF

L/N 1448 - 747-8HVF, RC602, serial number -------, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2

L/N 1449 - 747-8XX , RC005, serial number--------, BBJ customer , delivered "green" in 2011

L/N 1450 - 747-867F, RC557, serial number 39244*, Cathay #6 , future registration B-LJG

L/N 1451 - 747-830 , RC023, serial number 37828, Lufthansa #3, D-ABYC

*= serial numbers not yet confirmed, but highly probable extrapolation of Atlas order (12x, date 11-Sept-2006) and Cathay order (10x, date 8-Nov-2007).

A-netters : additions, confirmations and/or corrections of this provisional listing are highly appreciated.

[Edited 2011-01-18 06:10:37]


I think you've got the CX jets out of sequence, should be #5, 6, & 7. (LJA, B, C, D, E, F & G).

Thanks for the update.

If first deliveries are in July, how many do you think will be on the ramp by then?



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Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 60431 times:
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Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 5):
Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 5):
Quoting 747classic (Reply 1):

Quoting 747classic (Reply 2):


It is so refreshing that with all the sniping and beeoching clogging up a.net that some will take the time to pass along well researched and informative information on a very interesting program.

Thanks.

You get my two Thumbs up on that Joe.....



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User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2218 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 60408 times:

Quoting CCA (Reply 13):



Thanks, for carefully reading the listing.
I noticed the sequence error also, but sadly more than hour after posting.
Here is the corrected listing :

L/N 1441 - 747-867F, RC555, serial number 39242, Cathay #5 , future registration B-LJE
L/N 1442 - 747-87UF, RC574, serial number 37565*, Atlas Air #4, allocated Atlas registration N853GT
L/N 1443 - 747-830, RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa #2, D-ABYA
L/N 1444 - 747-87UF, RC575, serial number 37566*, Atlas Air #5, allocated Atlas registration N854GT
L/N 1445 - 747-87UF, RC576, serial number 37567*, Atlas Air #6, allocated Atlas registration N855GT
L/N 1446 - 747-8XX , RC004, serial number--------, BBJ customer , delivered “green” in 2011
L/N 1447 - 747-867F, RC556, serial number 39243*, Cathay #6 , future registration B-LJF
L/N 1448 – 747-8HVF, RC 602, serial number -------, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2
L/N 1449 - 747-8XX , RC005, serial number--------, BBJ customer , delivered “green” in 2011
L/N 1450 - 747-867F, RC557, serial number 39244*, Cathay #7 , future registration B-LJG
L/N 1451 - 747-830, RC023, serial number 37828, Lufthansa #3, DABYC

Quoting CCA (Reply 13):
If first deliveries are in July, how many do you think will be on the ramp by then?



Normally every 3 weeks a 747-8 is delivered (except for the test wired aircraft), so with the last known FAL roll-out of L/N 1435 for Lufthansa at January 31, we can start the count :
5 months till July 1 ----------- approx 8 more are produced.------------16 + 8 = 24 produced 747-8 aircraft at July 1.

Probably L/N 1420 till/incl 1443 will be on the flight line at July 1.

CCA, can you confirm the serial numbers of Cathay #6 and #7, because these two are an extrapolation of the known serial numbers ?

[Edited 2011-01-19 10:08:52]


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User currently offlineCCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 846 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 60297 times:

Sorry only up to 39241 LJD but will let you know when I get them.

Rgds



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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2776 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 59805 times:

Neat video by Skyes9 of a 747-8F passing overhead down in SoCal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txtq_MBdajQ



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User currently offlinehannahpa From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 59680 times:
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I am going to ask a stupid question: Regarding the flight issues with the -8F (ie. flutter, vibrations,etc), I assume that they will have addressed them as they built the -8I? They still have to go through the same tests as the -8F?
Thanks for the patience as I am just an enthusiast.


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Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 59619 times:
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Quoting hannahpa (Reply 18):
Regarding the flight issues with the -8F (ie. flutter, vibrations,etc), I assume that they will have addressed them as they built the -8I? They still have to go through the same tests as the -8F?

The Intercontinental might not suffer from some or all of these issues, either because they were addressed on the -8F (things like the flaps issue has been corrected through changes in the landing gear door) or the longer upper deck results in different aerodynamics.

Tha above being said, I am sure Boeing will do their best to attempt to replicate the specific issues on the -8F on the -8i to be sure that the -8I is not afffected by them, as well.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5478 posts, RR: 31
Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 59440 times:

Quoting nordair737242c (Reply 14):

As Rommel said at El Alemain...Tanks...!



What the...?
User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2218 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 59068 times:

The next series of artificial ice shape test flight for RC521 has started at January 20th.
Here RC521 in post flight maintenance, San Bernadino, January 17.

Original uploaded by KSBD Photo, for other sizes, see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/ksbdphotos/5370965977/


Latest 747-8 assembly line number update :

L/N 1452 - 747-8HVF, RC603, serial number-------, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #3



Operating a twin over the ocean, you're always one engine failure from a total emergency.
User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 624 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 58939 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 21):
The next series of artificial ice shape test flight for RC521 has started at January 20th.

I heard that RC521 is also doing ground testing of the new inboard aileron actuator. Does anyone have news about how this actuator testing is going? There is nothing in the trade press that I have seen. Even FlightBlogger is quiet. No news is good news?


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Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 58648 times:

Matt Cawby (KPAE Blog) has posted a video of RC503 making a low approach at PAE on Friday.

See: http://kpae.blogspot.com/2011/01/paine-field-january-21.html#comments


User currently online747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2218 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 21 hours ago) and read 58263 times:

747-8F Flight test Update :

RC501/N747EX started the second series of flight load survey testing at January 22, after a short lay-up of 5 days (last flight January 17) following the first test series.
Look for the measuring equipment (strain gauges) attached to the wing(s) to calculate the actual flight loads.


RC501, KSBD, January 22.

Original uploaded by KSBD Photo, for other sizes, see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/ksbdphotos/5378804986/

RC521/N5017Q stayed on the ground at San Bernadino yesterday, after two days of artificial ice shape testing.

RC522/N50217 also resumed flight testing from KMWH after a 7 days lay-up and was again operating in one of the dedicated flutter tracks.

RC503/N5573S flew again from KPAE to KMWH and back. We are eagerly awaiting the departure to Luxembourg, next week. Any idea about other possible destinations (LHR, CDG, FRA, AMS) during this "fly the Flag" tour ?


RC503, Touch down at KPAE, January 22.

Original uploaded by flyingAmelia, for other sizes, see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/barwigj/5379179457/

RC523/N6009F, according Matt Cawby's KPAE Blog, yesterday the VHF and HF communication was tested at the Flightline.
F/F expected in Feb. 2011.

[Edited 2011-01-23 05:02:03]


Operating a twin over the ocean, you're always one engine failure from a total emergency.
25 747classic : No news available, however this issue is AFAIK only valid with large inboard aileron deflections and the oscillation has been traced to the actuator
26 dynamicsguy : Those aren't strain gauges you see - they're pressure belts. Moreorless a string of pressure ports along a line which is used to measure the pressure
27 nomadd22 : I don't think that's exactly right. It takes no flow at all to maintain full deflection so line size wouldn't matter. I'd bet the problem is oscillat
28 Laddie : Now I am hearing the date for the polar flight demo has been pushed back a bit to 28 January. AFAIK, the only destination is Luxembourg.
29 747classic : Boeing has released its fourth quarter and full year 2010 earnings Latest news, regarding the 747-8F and -I , from the company's earnings call, this m
30 Post contains images rwessel : So what's the line on whether the 748 or 788 delivers/EIS's first?
31 Post contains links 747classic : Boeing started with the installation of engines at RC502/L/N 1423 (painted in a primer grey livery). One engine seems to have been damaged during inst
32 laddie : RC503's polar flight to ELLX that was supposed to happen by the end of January is now completely off the schedule. Sorry about that, Luxembourg. Such
33 Post contains images N14AZ : Woaw! Can't wait to see the first videos of the longest commercial aircraft doing cross wind landings!
34 BA : 1435 (Lufthansa's first 747-8) was rolled out of the factory a few hours ago. It's parked across from the paint hangar facing Highway 526 (Boeing Free
35 Post contains images MCIGuy : Boeing via Twitter: 748i to "debut" on 2/13.
36 Post contains links 747classic : Good news, that's 2-3 days ahead of schedule. Hopefully we will soon see some outside pictures of the first 747-8I for Lufthansa. Old news, see reply
37 AndrewUber : I'd take it a step further and say it would be awesome to see the operator of the first 747-8 BBJ keep it in Dreamliner livery, just like the pax bir
38 MCIGuy : Oh, OK, well reports are that it's outside, or was earlier. I hope someone was around with a camera.
39 Post contains links Dan23 : Matt Cawby reports that it is RC001/LN1434 that is parked outside at the fuel dock: See: http://paineairport.com/kpae3546.htm (Note the white rudder,
40 Post contains links and images 747classic : RC001 is better visible from the other side, see this picture : KPAE, January 29 Original uploaded by moonm, see for other sizes : http://www.flickr.c
41 QANTAS747-438 : Does anyone have, or know where I can find, actual DATES as to where the 747-8 will be when it's testing? I hear that the plane is in Mojave and San B
42 Post contains links 747classic : Boeing doesn't provide any (747-8 ) test flight dates or locations in advance. Present aircraft locations : RC501 at San Bernadino (KSBD), see : http
43 Post contains links Laddie : I believe the airplane will roll into a paint hangar this week, emerge 11 February in whatever livery Boeing & Lufthansa choose, then immediately
44 747classic : If I understand you correctly we will then have a double roll-out ceremony at February 13, with both L/N 1434 and 1435. L/N 1434 in the full or light
45 hannahpa : This might be wishful thinking here, but do you think that Boeing will get any sales when they bring out the -8I on the 13th or will the airlines wait
46 kanban : the Public Relations aspect will win out even if no sales are generated until flight test design confirmation. Somehow these corporate parasites will
47 SEPilot : Why would anyone order it just because they see it rolled out? Even if they would, I think the 787 "rollout" would have cured them of that. If they h
48 laddie : Oops. My mistake. The rollout ceremony will feature L/N 1434 in a Boeing livery. L/N 1435 came out of the factory this past weekend, but was immediat
49 Post contains links and images 747classic : On this perfect picture you can see the artificial ice shapes at the leading edges of the wings, vertical and horizontal stabilizers. RC521, KSBD, Jan
50 Post contains links and images 747classic : The first "stand alone" picture of RC001, before disappearing in the paint hangar. Original uploaded by BoeingAirplanes : http://twitpic.com/3vkoek
51 JoeCanuck : That is one heck of a hump...I like it.
52 MauriceB : I really love the shape of those engines, and im very happy to finally see a ''new'' 747 without blended winglets! To my idea the 747-300 is the most
53 Post contains links 747classic : On the aviation site of AirlineReporter a high resolution picture of the RC001 photo of reply 50 is available. See : http://www.airlinereporter.com/20
54 tommytoyz : Is there anything new to add regarding the economics of the 747-8i VS. the A380 or 787, A350? It has been very quiet on that front lately. Is the perf
55 Post contains links 747classic : Flight test update : - According Flightblogger (Jon Ostrower) the fifth 747-8F test aircraft RC523/N6009F is scheduled to make the first flight Thursd
56 Post contains images EPA001 : I do too. They look very good on the latest B747. And of course as a fan of 4-holers I really like the pictures we are seeing right now. Funny enough
57 rbgso : She looks as graceful as ever! Beautiful aircraft.
58 Stitch : One person on this forum said there are rumors the 747-8F is falling well-short of it's performance goals and Boeing is looking at MTOW boosts to cla
59 na : Wonderful plane. So very sad that so little orders have come in so far. How can airlines look at this gorgeous plane and then go to the next door and
60 Post contains links 747classic : RC523/N6009F , the fifth 747-8F test aircraft has filed a flight plan for the first flight (B1) at 10.16 PST today, stretch KPAE-KMWH. See : http://bo
61 JoeCanuck : This is getting so cool...the 748 and 787 are finally, agonizingly close to EIS. Soon, the crap storm will move on to the next plane fanbois will love
62 hannahpa : This would be a bummer if this were true. If so, would it be much better than the 744? I know that the range isn't as good as the 747-400ERF, but it
63 JoeCanuck : I'm going with Stitch on this one. Bad news travels fast. Every other problem was revealed pretty quickly. On the 748...nothing lately. Given the way
64 Post contains links 747classic : RC523/N6009F, just airborne from KPAE at 13.27 PST, see : http://boeing.flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE523[Edited 2011-02-03 13:42:46]
65 mham001 : The source of that quote has been caught embellishing the truth more than once to paint a gloomy picture for anything Boeing. The veracity of that ru
66 N14AZ : It's true - the 747 looks much better without the angled winglets. Maybe the sharp kink between the wing and the wing didn't fit to all the curves th
67 Post contains links and images laddie : Yes, but the competition isn't very competitive. BTW, we now live in a world of FIVE flying 747-8s. RC523 is currently taking the long way from KPAE
68 SEPilot : Hasn't just about every new plane (from both Boeing and Airbus) exceeded performance expectations? I believe that this is due to both manufacturers b
69 Post contains images hannahpa : Nicely said. I hope you are right. After thinking about what you said, it makes more sense. I don't think that the engineers would be that dumb.....
70 tdscanuck : Typically they're either dead on or just a shade under at EIS, then claw it back to expectation relatively quickly (year 1 or 2), then exceed from th
71 allegro : My sources tell me performance is good. No real numbers but they were smiling. Not revealing my sources but I feel confident enough (moderate to high
72 Post contains links 747classic : Here is the video of the high speed taxi and take off of RC523/N6009F : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2011/02/747-8f-update.html
73 SEPilot : Well, the 777 exceeded them by a wide margin, and while the A380 missed in a couple of areas (weight, fuel burn IIRC) the aerodynamic performance was
74 Post contains images N14AZ : Well this is true. Actually, comparing the two VLAs in terms of beauty is a waste of time similiar to comparing Claudia Schiffer with Angela Merkel (
75 Post contains images SEPilot : I think you are insulting Angela Merkel.
76 rj777 : I bet some photographer will snap her up (the 747-8I) after she comes out of the paint hanger b4 the official rollout.
77 Post contains links and images 747classic : RC523/N6009F will focus on system functionality and reliability testing and will be based at Paine field (KPAE) throughout its testing, see : http://w
78 Post contains images Laddie : Nice paint job, RC523...not! Please don't let this be the paint job for RC001! Maybe a clever A-netter can use Photoshop to paint RC523 in a beautiful
79 Post contains images mdword1959 : I understand Boeing has rented out the Future of Flight Aviaition Center for the entire day on the 13th, does anyone know whether they intend to hold
80 dennys : To mdworld1959 : excuse Sir , does your last pic show another 747 -8 ? i cannot see any double deck . Kind regards dennys
81 Post contains links and images 747classic : 747-8F flight test update (three "real" test aircraft : RC501,521,522 and two added : RC503 and 523 (not testwired)) - RC501 has been equipped with pr
82 dennys : To 747 Classic and many of you all : many thanks for all your informations an enthusiasm concerning the 747-8 . It is hard to get so good pictures sho
83 mdword1959 : That's because the plane in the photo is a production JAL 787 in storage on the Kilo North ramp, the "ceremonial pad" (for lack of a better term) I r
84 Stitch : It can take a 747 (I've seen Rolls-Royce's test bed airframe was parked there) so it could be possible.
85 Post contains links and images Laddie : That would make perfect sense. There is no news on http://www.newairplane.com/747/incredible/, so I think you have scooped everyone, mdword1959! [Edi
86 tdscanuck : Not really...the FOF is far to small to handle the Boeing crowd that accompanies a roll-out ceremony. Unless Boeing has backtracked on how they've be
87 Post contains images mdword1959 : IIRC, Boeing never even had a "roll-out" shindig for the 747-8F, just a brief ceremony on the "Compass Rose Pad" after the conclusion of her maiden f
88 Post contains images Rheinbote : I like your analogy. So let's see: Claudia Schiffer (747) is more beautiful, but she is past the zenith of her career, while Angela Merkel (A380) rep
89 Post contains links 747classic : On the latest (February 5) Boeing Everett Flight Line video from Matt Cawby, I noticed a "new" unpainted 747-8F aircraft on the KPAE flight line, at e
90 Laddie : Good point, tdscanuck. This airplane is destined for a VVIP, so perhaps the FOF will be for a post roll-out celebration hosted by Boeing executives f
91 Post contains images SEPilot : Wery important person?
92 Laddie : Those double V's do look like a W, don't they? VVIP is the acronym for a Very Very Important Person. One step above your mundane VIP. Call it Status
93 Post contains images bikerthai : That's right Doc! bikerthai
94 starrion : Does Boeing have any plans to start flying out the completed non-test aircraft? Things seem pretty crowded there.
95 Post contains images mdword1959 : Not sure about that, however, there is allegedly a plan to begin storing 747 production aircraft on Runway 11/29 soon.
96 laddie : There are provisions to park up to eight aircraft (787 or 747-8) on the runway. I can't imagine what Boeing is paying the owners of Paine Field to us
97 SEPilot : Do you qualify by buying your own 748 or A380?
98 Post contains images columba : Just received an email from Boeing If this is not only a marketing slogan we will hopefully see some orders
99 dennys : Sorry , but i understand the first ceremonial presentation of the 747-8i will be in Plain Boeing colours or not ? Thanks dennys
100 MCIGuy : I'm betting on the full Dreamliner livery since that's what all the renderings have shown, and it's the first of it's type, like ZA001.
101 747classic : RC522 just departed from Boeing Field (KBFI/BFI) to Fairbanks (PAFA,FAI). Cold weather testing in Fairbanks or just an en-route stop for a polar fligh
102 Post contains images cbphoto : While I cannot comment too much on this subject, I have heard from someone close to the ceremony that we will all be in for a treat when it comes to
103 Post contains images Prince : Maybe we will see the return of the original livery used on the very first 747-100 ? Now THAT would be something!
104 ER757 : It would be more of a treat if there was a new order announced. While there is zero chance of it happening, I wish they'd bring back the Worldliner l
105 Post contains links 747classic : In anticipation of the 747-8I roll-out Flight Global produced a compilation of the whole 747-story. http://www.flightglobal.com/page/747-8I-rollout/
106 Post contains links and images VirginFlyer : This one you mean? View Large View MediumPhoto © Royal S King V/F
107 Post contains links and images Stitch : While the 777-200LR is designated as the "Worldliner" by Boeing, I am going to hazard a guess that ER757 is referring to the livery used on the 777-3
108 Post contains images mdword1959 : Pat Shanahan reveals the first "Intercontinental" (L/N 1434) with an unexpected color scheme at today's roll-out ceremony. BTW, she was just towed ove
109 FRAspotter : Are the pilot and FO that are certified to fly the 748F also certified for the 748i? They're both 748s but are there different pilot certifications fo
110 Klaus : Why not? At LH that would seem like a pretty standard situation for some tome to come.
111 FRAspotter : Well I figured that if for example LH flies the 748i and LH Cargo flies the 748F aren't there different pilot pools? 1 for the passenger aircraft and
112 Post contains links Klaus : LH flies quite a few 744 passenger aircraft at this point, but no cargo versions: Lufthansa - Fleet And as far as I know, they are deploying their pi
113 tdscanuck : Since neither is actually a certified aircraft yet, in some sense there are no certified pilots (there is no type design to certify to). However, pil
114 ER757 : Right you are Stitch, my friend. Absolutely my favorite Boeing House livery ever. I do like what they've done with e 748i though. Hoping she makes a
115 Post contains images mdword1959 : Looked like they were doing an aqueous wash of her fuel tanks on Tuesday.
116 hannahpa : Is the rollout of 521, LH's first bird, still planned for tomorrow 2/18? I can't wait to see her in LH livery...
117 Post contains images mdword1959 : She certainly won't be painted by tomorrow. She was still in the factory on Saturday surrounded by quite a bit of scaffolding despite having been mov
118 A10WARTHOG : That is not done in the fuel dock and I don't believe it is need on the 747 still since the wing is not like the 787
119 laddie : Sorry, hannahpa. 521 will be in the factory for a few more weeks. She might emerge in the second week of March.
120 kanban : I may be wrong, however at some point the fuel tanks are "washed" to remove and debris, fod, sleeping assemblers etc. that could foul pumps, valves a
121 Post contains images Klaus : I see how that would be the only concern in that case...!
122 atpcliff : Hi! In the US, the type rating for the 747-8 is supposed to be the same as the 747-400. A short differences course is all that is supposed to be neede
123 Post contains links mdword1959 : Matt Cawby reports that RC001 (N6067E) has been moved from the fuel dock to stall #208 at the south end of the Boeing ramp (see: http://kpae.blogspot.
124 laddie : RC503 flew to KDEN past Sunday for some autoland landings in crosswinds. Has anyone found photos or videos of the landings?
125 na : Looks like LHs 748I has a third landing light on the wingroot. Looks odd, or is it a sticker or protection cover which accidentally has the same shap
126 kanban : the upper one may be for illuminating the titles similar to a horiz stab logo light... It's a guess.
127 Post contains images mdword1959 : Perhaps Tom or Kanban will know the answer, but anyone else is also welcome to try, were they doing an aqueous wash of the aircraft's fuel tanks in th
128 regliner : No, that's the fuel dock were the planes are fueled for the first time. You can see the fuel truck between the 1 and 2 engines and the 3 and 4 engine
129 mdword1959 : What are the hoses attached to the end of the starboard wing being used for?
130 regliner : Those are connected to the fuel tank vents to catch an overflow
131 Post contains images Klaus : The new engines do look very nice on the 747... even with that hideous red/orange livery...!
132 Gordomatic : Looks like the 748i has horizontal stabilizer tanks(HST). Reading around the web it seems that some 744 have HST, some don't. I wonder if the 748F ha
133 SEPilot : I would think that they would be optional. Of course if they are there you don't HAVE to use them, but it still must involve some weight in sealant a
134 Stitch : It does not appear that the freighter models offer HSTs per Boeing's 747-8 Airport Compatibility Brochure from January 2008. The 747-8 can load an ad
135 hannahpa : Unless I am missing something (it is possible), I think you meant that the -8's max fuel is just "above" the -400ER. On Boeing's website I checked: 7
136 14ccKemiskt : Not sure if this is the right thread ant the topic has probably been up. But anyway, does anybody know why the three "passenger" windows of the 748F a
137 Stitch : The 747-8F has the same forward fuselage as the 747-400F. Also, I am not sure if the 747-8's upper deck windows are new, or the same as the 747-400.
138 regliner : If my memory serves me correctly the HST is an option on both the freighter and passenger version. The major provisions are always there in the struc
139 hannahpa : Is First Flight of the 747-8I (VIP) still scheduled for March 21????? Anyone know?
140 Post contains links catdaddy63 : RC523 has arrived at PHKO. I assume this is for sea level takeoff performance verification. I hope some spotters can get some good shots while she is
141 Post contains images cosmofly : It would be nice if the test crews also get a mini a vacation out of it.
142 b741 : The 747 is the carcharodon carcharias and A380 is the blue whale of aviation! True monsters!
143 4holer : Was that a go-around or touch and go? Curious.
144 laddie : I hear that 21 March is still the first flight date. Don't forget that this is flight test, so the date is subject to change.
145 dynamicsguy : On the Boeing internal news site it was reported today that the flight loads survey is complete. They flew just over a hundred hours over 32 days.
146 Post contains links 747classic : Boeing released a new video with the title : "747-8I moves closer to the first flight". http://www.boeing.com/Features/2011/...3/bca_747-8IFF_preps_03
147 Post contains links 747classic : 747-8F and -8 Intercontinental Flight test Update General : - According Boeing airplane programmes vice president Pat Shanahan the 747-8 is a "little
148 dynamicsguy : As a some time dynamics analyst, this is one of my pet hates. The word is "damp", not "dampen". The aim of the system is not to make the wing wet.
149 JoeCanuck : Literarily, 'dampen' is also correct. One meaning is to mute, or reduce in frequency...to deaden or depress, which is pretty much exactly what the ob
150 Post contains links kanban : Engine runs on the 747-8i accomplished http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Boeing...al-prnews-1203329003.html?x=0&.v=2
151 Post contains links 747classic : - The General Electric GEnx-2B67 engine runs on RC001 began at 11:57 a.m. (PST) , total endurance two hours and 45 minutes. - The first engine was sta
152 Post contains links and images 747classic : Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (March-9-2011) 17 Completed airframes (9 with engines installed = *) : *L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F, RC501, serial
153 ghost77 : You have more info? When will it leave? The B748iF landed here today. I believe it´s the first Boeing 747-800f going international. It´s huge and a
154 Post contains links 747classic : With the engine runs performed two days AHEAD of schedule, Flightblogger (Jon Ostrower) reports that several inside Boeing sources indicate that the f
155 rj777 : If the 1st engine runs are two days AHEAD of schedule, that's already a HUGE improvement over the 787 time between rollout and 1st flight. Looking goo
156 Post contains images ghost77 : Boe503 was testing today for 3 hours and did around 20 approaches into TLC. I was flying, and couldn´t enjoy the fiesta on ground nor take pictures I
157 Post contains links Dan23 : In Matt Cawby's latest KPAE flightline photo update it appears one of these two KAL birds now has engines (looks to be HL7609). KPAE March 11 update:
158 kanban : I disagree, it might be an engine under a tarp but it is not attached...
159 kanban : I stand corrected .. Matt says the engines are installed!!!!!!
160 747classic : IMO, a decision must have been made about the future of these two already produced 747-8HTF aircraft, without a future owner, otherwise Boeing wouldn
161 Stitch : I'm sure KAL will either buy them outright, or find another lessor willing to take them on - DAE, perhaps. I can't see Boeing letting GAP out of the
162 Post contains links and images 747classic : Here are the first pictures of RC503 outside the USA. Temp. stationed at Mexico Toluca airport (TLC/MMTO) for some high altitude T/O and landing tests
163 MCIGuy : 748i in flight line gauntlet today.
164 hannahpa : I've wanted to know this for a while: Do people at Beoing work more than 5 days per week? If the 748I is in gauntlet today (Sat) they must work at lea
165 kanban : some areas work 4 x 10's, some work 5 days, some work with mid week off, and overtime is scheduled when needed... with OT, some work 6 days and some w
166 hannahpa : Thanks for the information. It makes sense now how they get things done. Looking forward to FF.
167 Post contains images EPA001 : As do I and I guess every aviation enthusiast does so. Especially seeing another 4-holer take to the skies for the first time is quite a joy to me. .
168 na : Absolutely. I wont be able to watch it though, I´ll be on the other side of the globe working.
169 N14AZ : Great picture, thank you for posting it. It's great to see this modern airliner standing next to the two rather classic airliners.
170 Post contains links and images 747classic : RC503/N5573S returned to Paine Field (KPAE) from Mexico's Toluca airport (MMTO), with an intermediate stop at Tucson AZ (KTUS), after completing the h
171 Post contains links 747classic : Flight Test Update : Boeing has completed final gauntlet testing of RC001. See : http://twitpic.com/49h3iy RC503/N5573S again airborne from KPAE and n
172 Post contains links 747classic : Boeing uploaded a video of the flight line gauntlet tests of RC001, last weekend. See : http://www.boeing.com/videos/video.h...58b567b93582191533f2ba1
173 Post contains links jetfuel : The First Flight of the 747-8 Intercontinental will occur on or after Sunday, March 20, 2011. Later this week we will be posting the actual time and d
174 Post contains links 747classic : RC503/N5573S returned to Paine field (KPAE) after only one day at Iqaluit. (very short cold weather test !!) Here a link to some pictures taken in Iqa
175 Post contains links mdword1959 : Matt Cawby (KPAE Blog) has posted a video of RC503 taking off from Iqaluit (CYFB). See: http://kpae.blogspot.com/2011/03/paine-field-march-15.html#com
176 LY4XELD : Yes, we support 24/7 operations as necessary to support testing and production.
177 Post contains images bikerthai : My father-in-law is working 7 days a week supporting production aircraft. And he was just started working for Boeing last month!!!! bikerthai
178 Post contains links sabian404 : Engines started on RC001 and taxi test today http://kpae.blogspot.com/2011/03/rc001-taxi-test.html
179 Post contains images mdword1959 : The first aircraft was towed into the Runway 11-29 storage area this morning.
180 Post contains links cosmofly : Here is her taxi video. http://cdn8.twitvid.com/WRIAX.mp4?e=...h=61f17b9641083f258a56ab1eaf8bb723
181 Post contains links mdword1959 : Matt Cawby (KPAE Blog) has posted a video of today's taxi testing as well. See: http://kpae.blogspot.com/2011/03/paine-field-march-18.html#comments
182 Post contains links and images 747classic : KAL has changed two 747-8F options into firm orders. Probably these two new orders are the two 747-8HTF aircraft, that are already produced for Gugge
183 hannahpa : Boeing announced: First Flight of 747-8I to be Sunday, March 20, 9:45 AM (PDT). Can't wait to see her fly!!!!!
184 Post contains images EPA001 : Thanks for mentioning the time. Now I know when to watch.
185 SHAQ : When the 747-8 Enter commercial Service , it will be up to specifications? Like SFC , range, etc?
186 A380Heavy : That's 16.45 GMT for those of us this side of pond!!! Can't wait to see this majestic bird in the air!!! Good luck to all at Boeing and especially the
187 Stitch : SFC will depend on how quickly GE can produce their PiP for the GEnx1B. I believe the plan is in 2012, but then 747-8 deliveries won't start until la
188 rj777 : So far the 748I program is running on-time. rollout: on-time power on: 2 days early Gauntlet: on-time taxi test: on-time first flight: on-time So far,
189 Post contains links tdscanuck : No it's not...it's just that the delay was so long ago that most of us have forgotten about it: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ospace/2008393
190 Post contains images Stitch : None of us have been allowed to forget it. But it's nice to see that the march to first flight appears to be going smoothly.
191 rj777 : Well, let me put it this way, it's not as far behind as the 787 was!
192 Post contains links 747classic : But let's not forget that at least a part of the 747-8 delay was/is caused by the 787 program. Hopefully the newly drawn special conditions for the 74
193 Post contains links moderators : Dear members, In recognition of the Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental, an official first flight thread has been created for your convenience. Feel free to
194 rj777 : I wouldn't be surprised if this bird is selected to be the next Air Force 1. It'll be nice to finally own a plane!
195 Post contains links and images 747classic : -The first flight of RC001 was essential a normal B1 flight, mainly centered around initial air worthiness evaluations. - According flightblogger the
196 Post contains links mdword1959 : Line #1435 has been towed into the fuel dock on Boeing's Everett ramp. See: http://planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1024736
197 747classic : Thanks, mdword1959, for this first picture of the second Intercontinental test aircraft and the first for Lufthansa. I am slightly disappointed about
198 N14AZ : Where do you see this? I just see a blue tail fin. Obvioulsly the big fried egg will be applied later.
199 747classic : I clearly see two different shades of blue : light blue and dark blue (the normal LH color).
200 Someone83 : That looks more as the effect due to light reflection
201 rj777 : I wonder if LH will be introducing a new livery and maybe that's why the plane isn't fully painted.
202 Post contains links columba : Another picture of the LH bird http://paineairport.com/kpae3677.htm Doubtful the only thing missing is the title and the logo, I guess that is legal t
203 Post contains links and images 747classic : I agree, but then I hope that the vertical tail is painted properly dark blue, before applying the logo and the titles. I never noticed such differen
204 Post contains images 328JET : What a looong bird. The Lufthansa livery really underlines the length of that airplane. But i have to say, the passanger version really looks much bet
205 Post contains images EPA001 : Imho not much, but it does look better. I agree with you. . Me too. But that is the price to be payed for progress since the raked wing-tips are more
206 Post contains links BlueBus : The Lufthansa 747-8I looks so plain compared to the orange one. My guess is they will have a special livery for this aircraft or maybe they are updati
207 Post contains links 747classic : RC503 is scheduled today (March 25) for a round trip : KPAE - KHLN (Helena Rgnl) KHLN - KSLC (Salt Lake City) KSLC - KSFO (San Francisco Intl) KSFO -
208 Post contains links 747classic : 747-8 Final Assembly Line (FAL) update. BoeingAirplanes released a photo of the third 747-8 Intercontinental in Final assembly at building 40-22 : L/N
209 davs5032 : I agree with you there. It's all about the visual proportionality, and this just *looks* right. That would be interesting...I find it odd, however, t
210 Post contains links and images 747classic : I came along this interesting photo of RC521, departing from Boeing field at March 24. Original uploaded by MichaelChuck, see for other sizes : http:/
211 nomadd22 : Maybe they're disrupting airflow through that engine, or taking taking the engine up and down to measure the effect on airflow at the inlet?[Edited 2
212 Post contains links sabian404 : http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian4...5566600291/sizes/l/in/photostream/ Here is a pic of the left side that I got when I was up there last week. I w
213 laddie : No damage. It looks like instrumentation for natural icing testing. The silver band you see from the nose wheel well to the upper deck window (and th
214 Post contains links 747classic : Thanks Laddie for the explanation. According Drewski2112 the mentioned boxes (painted red at the LH side) are cameras. See : http://www.flickr.com/ph
215 Post contains images Drewski2112 : The red/orange bumps are casings for the cameras. One of the RAAF AEW&C's were sporting them in Fall 2009. I believe one of the 787's (airplane tw
216 Post contains links 747classic : Boeing plans to resume 747-8 Intercontinental Flight Testing with RC001 at March 30. Boeing originally hoped to resume flight tests around Mar 27, but
217 laddie : The red boxes are cameras, yes, but the device on the RH side of RC521's nose wheel well is painted gold, and is about the size and shape of a thermos
218 AT777 : This might have been discussed before and apologies if it has, but I have not noticed it. There are two extra windows on the upper deck on the one sid
219 tdscanuck : It's an ice particle detector. Tom.
220 Post contains links and images 747classic : On the 747-8 Intercontinental, 20 upper deck window frames can be installed, aft of the upper deck escape doors. At the LH side , probably due the lo
221 CCA : Where did you read the HK visit? Cheers
222 flood : It showed up on flightblogger's twitter feed a couple of days ago, originally posted by aspireaviation: "Boeing to deploy RC521 (N5017Q) to Hong Kong
223 Post contains links rbgso : Makes sense if this thread has any truth to it...... Have Hong Kong Airlines Ordered The B747-8? (by PanAm_DC10 Mar 30 2011 in Civil Aviation)
224 Post contains links and images 747classic : The second 747-8 Intercontinental test flight was completed yesterday. Here a beautifull catch of the first 747 (L/N1) and the first 747-8I (L/N 1434)
225 Post contains links 747classic : 747-8 Production update : L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, Atlas Air #3, is moved from building 40-23 to the KPAE flight line. Schedul
226 CCA : Just received the total fuel tank capacity for the -8F (SG 0.8). 747-8F - 184,274 KGS (No Stabilizer fuel). 744 Frt - 163,695 KGS " " ". 744 Pax- 173,
227 747classic : According the latest tweeds from the same source, the schedule seems to have slipped a few days : Boeing 747-8F RC521 to fly to Hong Kong on April 9t
228 Post contains links 747classic : During the third test flight of RC001/N6067E , the 747-8 intercontinental had a blown main gear tire (Wheel assy #12, Right Rear RH Body Gear) during
229 Post contains links 747classic : 747-8 Intercontinental (flight) test progress. - No structural damage was found after the tire burst during the second test flight of RC001/ N6067E. S
230 Post contains images wilco737 : Does anyone know why the RC021 for LH isn't in its livery yet? I mean on the 787 the ANA is in full livery, the AI as well. But why not the LH one? Wh
231 Post contains links 747classic : Here is an article (Airline Reporter blog) about that issue and also the official statement from LH : http://www.airlinereporter.com/2011/...the-boei
232 Post contains images wilco737 : Alright. Many thanks for that. I was just wondering as the ANA 787 is flying for months in full livery. Pretty different on the 748 for LH then. It l
233 Stitch : I expect NH requested or consented to have their livery on the plane as they originally intended to take delivery. While they never will, now, the do
234 Post contains images wilco737 : Yeah make sense. Or maybe ANA paid more so that it could be nice advertising for ANA as well I hope the 787 will be delivered soon and the 748i test
235 Post contains links 747classic : To get in the mood for your 747-8 conversion course, here are a lot of detailed pictures of your future aircraft (nice for the walk around check) : h
236 Post contains images wilco737 : Wow, thanks for that link. It looks amazing. Love her already and can't wait to see her here in FRA. Thanks again. wilco737
237 Post contains links 747classic : 747-8F flight test update : RC501, based at Edwards AFB since March 26. The aircraft is undertaking Vmcg (minimum control ground speed) tests at Edwar
238 cosmofly : Is RC521 going to Hong Kong tomorrow?
239 747classic : Again according the same twitter source "aspireaviation" : No flight to HKG/SIN anymore.
240 ScarletHarlot : Was the 747-8i out flying today? I saw a red-bellied four engine plane circling pretty high up over Seattle around 12:30 this afternoon. It eventually
241 Post contains links 747classic : Here is your answer , see Matt Cawby's KPAE Paine Field blog (incl. a FlightAware screenshot of RC001) : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2011/04/paine-field
242 ghost77 : I´ve been told the B748 now Pax version is coming down to TLC again. Does anybody has more info on dates and aircraft to be sent? g77
243 gunsontheroof : I saw it too. I saw a red/orange bellied four-holer heading south over Seattle (I was in the Green Lake area at the time) make a hard, fast turn to t
244 ScarletHarlot : Thanks from me too - this is also exactly what I saw. I wondered if something was wrong and then was like, hey, I recognize that plane. It was pretty
245 ER757 : Hi April - glad you got a glimpse of this new beauty! I was fortunate to see it up close on it's initial arrival at BFI and have seen it from distanc
246 Post contains links sabian404 : BOE503 the 747-8F in Cargolux livery will be departing PAE in a few hours for KEF. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE503[Edited 2011-04-09 15:46:4
247 Laddie : It is probably going there for crosswind landing/takeoff tests.
248 tdscanuck : KEF is terrific for crosswinds (and head and tailwinds) because it's got perpendicular runways with ILS beams in all four directions, it's not terrib
249 Post contains images wilco737 : Yeah, KEF is very good for that. Many airplanes have been there: wilco737
250 Post contains links and images 747classic : RC503, KEF, 2011-04-10, second landing at RW02. Original uploaded by Eggert Norodahl, see for oher sizes : http://www.flickr.com/photos/35133216@N05/5
251 Post contains links 747classic : According Flightblogger RC001 is approaching already Type Inspection Authorization (TIA). After that milestone the FAA is allowed to participate in th
252 nomadd22 : Why? Wouldn't you expect them to test with the system engaged in any case just for the data?
253 747classic : The wing oscillation issue on the 747-8F is cured by the incorporation of the outboard aileron modal suppression (OAMS) system to damp out a 2.3-2.4H
254 Post contains links Laddie : 747-8F undergoing "rollercoaster" flight: http://www.boeing.com/videos/video.html From 0g to +2g in a few seconds.
255 nomadd22 : Are you assuming the OAMS wouldn't be installed on the 748i's if the flutter wasn't observed? If it occured only in a very small range of conditions
256 747classic : Yes, because the entire flight envelope of this modified (SUD) aircraft has to be checked anyway, without or with OAMS (if necessary). AFAIK the pres
257 Post contains links moderators : This thread will be locked for further contributions. Any posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purposes only. Part 5 is
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