gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3510 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 30614 times:
Quoting washingtonian (Reply 1): Maybe they are ordering 2 from Boeing with a plan to acquire second-hand ones from JAL in the near future?
I can't imagine that JL has any 77Ws to spare, especially considering the fact that the 744s are history. I suspect AA has bigger plans for the 77W, but are electing to start off slow. Of course, these are going to be great looking planes!
Cue "Where Will AA Fly Their Two 77W?" thread...now.
PlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 30387 times:
Nice purchase may be there be more coming. However, a company that consistently loses money rarely has the ability to make large scale capital expenditures. While honorable in not filing for bankruptcy, the cleansing effect of bankruptcy on/for AA would have made a huge difference.
Could very well be. Or could just be a sweetheart deal from Boeing, as I don't believe AA has paid anything for their 787s yet nor committed to a firm order. It's some hybrid special arrangement where they have options on delivery slots or something.
Anyways congrats to AA. I hope they return to a full year of profits in 2011.
“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.” J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)
alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4771 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 30332 times:
Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 8): Nice purchase may be there be more coming. However, a company that consistently loses money rarely has the ability to make large scale capital expenditures. While honorable in not filing for bankruptcy, the cleansing effect of bankruptcy on/for AA would have made a huge difference.
Exactly. While exciting from an order perspective (and the potential application of the aircraft), there is a bigger topic here than 2-77Ws. The continued loss both for Q42010 and FY2010.
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4158 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 30079 times:
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Doesn't AA still have a few more 200s on order? I am wondering if this order is meant to convert existing orders of the 200 model into 300 models, or if it is a totally new order.
Will Boeing continue to build the 77W only with GE power plant available?
LAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7952 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 30085 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 9): I think they'll deploy them to either JFK-LHR or ORD-NRT.
DFW-NRT or MIA-EZE is a better canidate than either. JFK-LHR has so much frequency that the extra seats on one of the flights would hardly be noticed and if one NRT flight were upgraded, it would be DFW.
goldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 583 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 29660 times:
For the quarter:
7.1% YOY unit revenue growth, compared to 8% for DAL.
6.5% YOY yield growth, compared to 9% for DAL.
Nice 1.8% YOY reduction in ex-fuel CASM.
For full year 2010, all-in mainline CASM 0.2% lower than 2009. 12.7% higher than DAL for full year.
Unit revenue and yield improvements trailing DAL and probably UAL as well.
Not great, not terrible. Essentially treading water. Some troubling trendlines relative to DAL from Q2 and Q3 are at least slowed down for now. I still expect that over the long term DAL and UAL will continue to outperform AMR in unit revenue growth. Let's see what UAL reports.
New widebodies in the middle of open contract negotiations, and with present contractual restrictions which prevent AA from flying them over 15 hours, and a structural cost disadvantage relative to competitors. That's a pretty big gamble. Not sure I would have taken it.
Perhaps there is something we don't know, such as APA and APFA having a come-to-Jesus moment and realizing that if AMR can at least partially close the labor cost gap, they will benefit from growth opportunities. If that is the case, then this should be a demonstration of good faith that will foretell some progress on the labor front.
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6773 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 29501 times:
Quoting goldenstate (Reply 19): Perhaps there is something we don't know, such as APA and APFA having a come-to-Jesus moment and realizing that if AMR can at least partially close the labor cost gap, they will benefit from growth opportunities. If that is the case, then this should be a demonstration of good faith that will foretell some progress on the labor front.
I think this is part of the point of ordering just 2 77W's. AA is going to dangle them in front of the unions like bait. Not sure the unions will actually bite, but I guess it's worth a try.
In a letter to employees today, Arpey stated that the 777-300s would enable AA to offer non-stop service to destinations that we can't reach today, so it sounds as if, for now, these will perhaps be used for new destinations.
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 20): The roof of the house is caving in and we're getting excited over new siding.
Really? Wow so I guess the BILLION dollar improvement year over year from 2009, plus the 5 billion in cash is a short term crisis.
Quoting goldenstate (Reply 19): Perhaps there is something we don't know, such as APA and APFA having a come-to-Jesus moment
The memberships stance at APFA has not changed. We will not sign a concessionary contract.
: So finally a US customer for the highly successful B77W. A sign of more to come? .
: Continuing to move - albeit slowly - in the right direction. The 777-300ER announcement is as was expected, although I doubt this is it - it is inconc
: They have 7 more 777-200ER on order. Also to note, it is interesting that this is their "first aircraft growth since 2001". 787 and 738 are replaceme
: I agree with the APFA. The FAs got hit most by the concessions, moreso than the pilots and mechanics. AA should focus on at least a cost-neutral cont
: Might consider MIANRT finally.....but AA wants a 4 man cockpit with 1 captain and 3 fo...APA wants it 2 and 2 so to make that many more Captain positi
: Agreed. Ah, but there in lies the problem: AA has claimed that they would be happy with a cost-neutral contract, but of course that would require AA
: I'm not a shareholder, so I really don't care. First 77W in a US airline? Yes, I care. And yes, I think they will be around to accept delivery.
: We are so used to the likes of Emirates and Qatar buying them by the bucket load. 2 (two!) is such a large order in America it's making some a.netters
: It's even more than that. 31 738s were delivered in 2009, 45 in 2010, and there are still 54 more to be delivered. So in two years AA has already rec
: Congrats to Boeing and AA! Hopefully AA will turn a profit soon and will order more of those hot birds! mmmhhhh... cant wait indeed!!!!
: Then again, AA and other US airlines are not making money hand over fist like EK and QR are that gives them the ability to buy aircraft by the bucket
: Seriously, I was thinking the same thing. Half a billion dollars loss while virtually all other US carriers are making money and the hot topic is 2 7
: You know why it's a hot topic. My guess is DFW-NRT gets upgraded, and maybe some of the South American routes, though neither really pushes the range