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New Frontier/Republic #16  
User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1321 posts, RR: 15
Posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 17753 times:

(Continuation from previous thread) New Frontier/Republic #15 (by Tigerguy Oct 30 2010 in Civil Aviation)

We have gotten up to 275 posts in the previous thread, so I will post a new thread with some interesting news:

The Q400s, will become a permanent addition to the fleet:
http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...Continues-Year-Round-Aspen-Service

Daily Aspen service until June 5, then an upgrade to 4x Daily. In addition, there will be 4 Q400s in the fleet. I presume these will eventually be Republic aircraft and not Lynx aircraft.

In addition there is a thread about just this announcement:

Frontier/Lynx Q400's...on Second Thought... (by n7371f Jan 20 2011 in Civil Aviation)


Finally, the A319s are arriving from Mexicana, and have 138 seats (opposed to 136 for the other A319s in the fleet). There is also a new A320 arriving from Hamburg.

Finally, the OMA expansion was announced and the schedule for Summer and Fall will likely start to come together. Should be interesting.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25166 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 17730 times:

Quoting FRNT787 (Thread starter):
The Q400s, will become a permanent addition to the fleet:

I really wonder how "permanent" that it.

Having a sub fleet of mere 4 aircraft has to be expensive and create logistical complications in both crewing and maintenance.

Me says, if and when they can find a buyer, the remaining aircraft will be gone.



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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 926 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 17709 times:

Isn't the Lynx certificate being merged into the Republic certificate? If so what will that mean for the Q400's if anything?


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 17624 times:

Quoting FRNT787 (Thread starter):
Finally, the OMA expansion was announced and the schedule for Summer and Fall will likely start to come together.

Pardon my confusion but is this reference to the already-flying and scheduled OMA-service to LAX and SAN (plus the return of seasonal PIE and MCO flights), or did I miss something else about OMA? The only thing I saw on thread #15 was a couple of posts with ideas of what might happen this year, including some OMA wish-lists.

Unfortunately, as has been mentioned by others, I have a bad feeling that continually climbing fuel prices are going to have a huge impact on what we actually see in 2011. Of course the usual dilema remains: new planes joining the fleet -- keep them in the air with more and more expensive gas, or leave them sitting on the ground? The solution, I imagine, will be VERY carefully selected expansion and/or additional capacity on high-density routes...

bb


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 17529 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
I really wonder how "permanent" that it.

Well, that's life, isn't it? You never know what's around the corner.  
Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
Unfortunately, as has been mentioned by others, I have a bad feeling that continually climbing fuel prices are going to have a huge impact on what we actually see in 2011. Of course the usual dilema remains: new planes joining the fleet -- keep them in the air with more and more expensive gas, or leave them sitting on the ground? The solution, I imagine, will be VERY carefully selected expansion and/or additional capacity on high-density routes...

  

You got that right. It has to be a deep concern - for all airlines - that Brent Crude oil hit the $100 mark briefly last week. The trade-off is that some of the recent fare price rises appear to be sticking.

For Frontier, if last year was expansion, I believe this year will be much more about consolidation. There may be some new routes, but nothing like the"10 city" plan we saw last year, and, as I said in the last thread, any new routes will probably be short/mid range.

But that isn't bad news - except for those who want to see a lot of long distance flying. There are massive (for a small airline) fleet changes that have to be managed this year and there is also the determination that Q1/11 financials won't look like Q1/10 financials, which will weigh heavily on the full year results.

What's interesting - to me - is what "the new team" has learned since the take-over. There was a lot of criticism of RAH at the beginning because they were "only regional managers." Obviously, that's no longer true, but BB admits that the ugly Q1/10 results were partially self-inflicted and they won't be making those mistakes again.

I believe BB also recently said that they are now in a position to start having some fun with the airline. To a long-time Frontier watcher, that's sweet (and unusual) music. LOL.

mariner



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User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17500 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 4):
BB admits that the ugly Q1/10 results were partially self-inflicted and they won't be making those mistakes again.

What would be those mistakes?


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6763 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17487 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 4):
There may be some new routes, but nothing like the"10 city" plan we saw last year, and, as I said in the last thread, any new routes will probably be short/mid range.

What would Frontier consider long range routes. Their hubs are virtually smack dab in the middle of the country. All their routes should be considered short or mid-range routes.

I'm assuming they would consider another hub/focus city until they start maximizing their current operations? Also, would I assume that a lot of routes in 2011 would be current-station-to-dual-hub routes or could their be more one hub stations?



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 17465 times:
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Quoting VS11 (Reply 5):
What would be those mistakes?

I don't know them all, I don't think BB has ever defined all of them, but at least some of it was the resentment that the DEN staff felt towards new management, especially with the departure of Sean Menke.

And more specifically, from the horse's mouth:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2031...c-q1-2010-earnings-call-transcript

Bedford: "Frankly some of this underperformance was self inflicted in January and February, which Greg Aretakis, our VP of our (inaudible) will discuss shortly."

Aretakis: "Secondly, revenues were depressed as we integrated our revenue management and scheduling systems. We attempted a fair premium strategy in January which was revenue negative and which we subsequently abandoned. And we created some uncertainty in the marketplaces as many of you I am sure have heard as we attempted to promote two brands both independently and through the codeshare."

I assume he said "fare" premium and the transcriber heard "fair" premium. LOL.

mariner



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User currently offlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1304 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17394 times:

Mariner's dickie birds were correct again. Here is N208FR leaving Hamburg. It is Charlie the cougar.

N208FR



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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1321 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 17361 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
Pardon my confusion but is this reference to the already-flying and scheduled OMA-service to LAX and SAN (plus the return of seasonal PIE and MCO flights)

Sorry, that is what I meant. Nothing else beyond that. (poor wording).

Quoting mariner (Reply 4):
What's interesting - to me - is what "the new team" has learned since the take-over.

Me as well. I like a lot of the moves they have made recently, and in the past. There have been, as BB alluded to, some mistakes as well. The challenge is to rectify them, and still fight an ever tougher environment. But these chaps seem up to the task to me.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17286 times:
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Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 6):
What would Frontier consider long range routes. Their hubs are virtually smack dab in the middle of the country. All their routes should be considered short or mid-range routes.

I assume SJO, ANC and FAI are long, because theylre pretty much at the limit of the (commercial) range of the A319. I know that DEN-BDL and DEN-BOS were considered long, in that they used up a lot of fuel balanced against the revenue they could get.

I think DEN-SLC or MKE-MCI are probably considered "short" - so, just guessing, anything below 500 miles is short and anything over (about) 1500 or 1600 miles would be long.

The rest would be mid-range, maybe. In this present fuel price climate, shorter is better than longer, so that gives me hope for a couple of places on my wish list.  

mariner



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17267 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 6):
What would Frontier consider long range routes. Their hubofs are virtually smack dab in the middle of the country. All their routes should be considered short or mid-range routes.

Long range would, to me, possibly include trans-cons. The idea is that F9 could start more p-2-p flying, including over-flying the hubs. This is the outside-the-box thinking that some of us are hoping to see more of from Republic. (Well, speaking for myself anyway.) If any carrier today doesn't seem 100% committed to only hub-and-spoke flying, I think it would be Frontier.

Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 9):
Sorry, that is what I meant. Nothing else beyond that. (poor wording).

OK, thanks. That's kind of what I thought but I just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something...

Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 9):
I like a lot of the moves they have made recently, and in the past. There have been, as BB alluded to, some mistakes as well. The challenge is to rectify them, and still fight an ever tougher environment. But these chaps seem up to the task to me

   A 3-way merger, combined with some novel ideas in a difficult business environment, are bound to encounter some problems and mistakes; learning from those errors and moving ahead successfully is the real test. I agree that this leadership team seems up to that task.

bb


User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 17245 times:

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 8):

That is an adorable looking plane! I wish that F9 can come to JFK.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3119 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16763 times:

Maybe a little off topic, I thought the F9 cheerleaders might get a Monday morning chuckle. Courtesy Readers Digest http://www.rd.com/13-things/50-secrets-your-pilot-wont-tell-you/ Also in the paper edition there is a separate article expressing some of the same views by flight attendants


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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4992 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16605 times:

That article has been around awhile, I've seen it before. I'm not really sure how accurate is is to begin with.

The two worst airports for us: Reagan National in Washington, D.C., and John Wayne in Orange County, California. You’re flying by the seat of your pants trying to get in and out of those airports. John Wayne is especially bad because the rich folks who live near the airport don’t like jet noise, so they have this noise abatement procedure where you basically have to turn the plane into a ballistic missile as soon as you’re airborne.”

I'd hardly call the area around SNA rich. Some nice areas, but hardly rich.



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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1321 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 16531 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 14):
I'd hardly call the area around SNA rich. Some nice areas, but hardly rich.

There is a significant amount of money in Newport Beach (under the flight path). Even a fair bit in Costa Mesa. Newport Beach, however, is what stops much real expansion at SNA.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 16263 times:
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I suppose, strictly speaking, these are restorations, not adds:

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee...to-add-fights-to-new-york-and.html

"Frontier Airlines announced Tuesday that it is expanding nonstop service Milwaukee%u2019s General Mitchell International Airport to Boston%u2019s Logan International Airport and La Guardia International Airport in New York City.
Frontier will add additional flights to New York beginning April 4 and to Boston starting May 13."


MKE-FLL extended by a month, as well.

mariner



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User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 16238 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 16):
I suppose, strictly speaking, these are restorations, not adds:

Are they planning the return of non-stop service from BOS to DEN? The old Frontier used to fly it. Now they do offer a direct 1-stop in MKE flight and many other connecting options.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 16211 times:
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Quoting VS11 (Reply 17):
Are they planning the return of non-stop service from BOS to DEN? The old Frontier used to fly it. Now they do offer a direct 1-stop in MKE flight and many other connecting options.

I dunno. It's a long way (expensive fuel) and there's so much service on the route these days that I would be mildly surprised to see it. I think MKE gives them all they need.

And I know Massport is said to have changed its attitude to LCC's, but after what happened last time I'd be really, really cautious. But then - I have a long memory and I hold grudges.  

mariner



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User currently offlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1304 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 16179 times:

My friends at F9 said they saw the new E190 tail on the ramp in DEN yesterday. This image hasn't been used in a while. It was on an old 737 N316FL and again later used on Horizon's CR7 N605QX. It's been in hibernation for years, but it's good to see it back. The image below is from the 737. I haven't seen the E190, but I hear it looks good.


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User currently offlinesideflare75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 15986 times:

And FYI the next 190 is already in paint. At this rate they should all be painted pretty soon. I didn't see another 145 in paint yet but that could be because the latest one was damaged while being painted and has yet to be put back in service. I would assume when it is repaired another one will go in. Also the third ex-Mexicana 319 will be in MKE tomorrow.

User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 15831 times:

SanFan, I'm as confused as you are. Anybody care to shed some light on this?

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 15811 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 21):
SanFan, I'm as confused as you are. Anybody care to shed some light on this?


Rj', I'm confused about a lot of things. Please clarify which confusion you are referring to.... (If it's my question in reply #3, that was answered in reply #9.)

bb


User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 15804 times:

Ok, now I'm caught up. I guess it's just wishful thinking that I'd want to see more stuff out at Omaha. I seem to remember that a terminal expansion project was in the works for Eppley, but then not much more was said about it.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 15796 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 23):
Ok, now I'm caught up. I guess it's just wishful thinking that I'd want to see more stuff out at Omaha. I seem to remember that a terminal expansion project was in the works for Eppley, but then not much more was said about it.

Hey, what F9 has already done in OMA is pretty nice, and maybe just the beginning? Hang in there and see what more 2011 might bring to Nebraska!

bb


25 FRNT787 : I dont know if it will be 2011, but I certainly think they get a few more things going out of OMA. I sure hope they do. These are the kinds of routes
26 SANFan : I know how you feel, both of you guys. Even to me, in SAN, F9 is THE carrier that keeps me on the edge of my seat wondering what they might do next!
27 Post contains images enilria : I believe there will be another Central American destination for Summer with probably just weekend service from Denver...but nothing is ever definite
28 Post contains images mariner : It's always possible and I'd like to see it. There are exceptions to every rule. For example, I wonder what the price of oil (very high) says about F
29 azstar : Frontier complains about their low margins, but they frequently undervalue their product. They are often substantially cheaper than all other carriers
30 n7371f : Nomination for worst post of the week?
31 enilria : Not a question of preference, rather a question of what feathers were carried on the wind in my direction. Why? As a consumer I like cheap, but as a
32 azstar : Because it's true?
33 mariner : And I agreed it was possible. The preference was entirely my own and based on feathers carried in the wind in my direction. LOL. mariner
34 kingcavalier : I guess I give more credit to Frontier's revenue management team than you do, especially when they operate in two of the most challenging and yield d
35 YXwatcherMKE : All we can do is to keep on hoping that F9 will keep on growing were ever that might be. We all hope that growth will be at our own home town just as
36 Post contains links mariner : Um - think different? Or - think different from Midwest? We already know of at least some growth at MKE and also some growth in somewhat unlikely pla
37 Post contains links FRNT787 : Well, there were hints at it and here we go: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Republ...-Delta-bw-2623275183.html?x=0&.v=1 Republic will add eight E17
38 azstar : Although they're currently using E170's in the F9 operation, I think their intention was always to phase them out. I believe the objective is to incre
39 pilotfox : Any idea how many Q400s will be coming back online? It would be nice to see them in MKE.
40 enilria : DL is getting rid of their 50 seaters in favor of E170s in order to, among other things, get their CASM down to compete with WN in ATL. F9 is doing t
41 mariner : Like Delta, Frontier branded is transitioning to larger aircraft, in part to bring the CASM down. I haven't heard that they will put E145's on Southw
42 FL787 : That doesn't make any sense to me. Why did the arrival of WN, who has a higher CASM than FL, prompt DL to reduce their CASM? Further, what routes wou
43 mke717spotter : I don't like the idea of smaller jets replacing bigger ones. I thought that the plan was to replace the E145s with the larger E170s? Or maybe I've ju
44 slcdeltarumd11 : I am pretty confident that all of my greatest fare deals have been into or out of DIA. That date you picked is actually peak ski season too i bet you
45 knope2001 : For what it's worth, it looks like the branded Frontier operation seems to have about 16 lines of E170 flying. So we're looking at about half of the E
46 enilria : The release implies they are putting ~5 E145s, maybe more, into the F9 fleet. There isn't enough non-WN flying that is short enough for the plane onc
47 FL787 : FWIW, there are 7 ER4s being removed from COEX service in the first half of the year. I don't disagree with that at all. It's just that you made it s
48 FRNT787 : The E145s is a very temporary move. The plan for some time has been to replace the E170s with E190s. That still seems to be the plan.
49 mariner : But not all necessarily at DEN. It is only a rumor that there are going to be any at all at DEN. As I understand it, there will be 6 x E145 in the Fr
50 PlaneAdmirer : Slight tangent - What does this expanded relationship with DL do, if anything, for the potential code share/joining a larger alliance like oneworld vs
51 Frontier14 : Does anyone know, are the 7 E-145s that are being removed from Continental owned by RAH??? Frontier14
52 n7371f : Some are. A majority are leased. However a good percentage of ERJ-145's for Delta Connection are owned. Not sure that really means anything...
53 Post contains images FRNT787 : Does anyone know some of the dates for the DL E170s to start being pulled from service? I dont want to go to the other thread because somehow it has m
54 yellowtail : if it is BZE, that would be Nov, but with the price of fuel going up now F9 may hunker down.....yet AA continues to enjoy fabulous yields out of DFW
55 mariner : I don't have specific dates, but the transition period starts in May and ends in September. I guess the paint shop will be busy? The first of the new
56 FRNT787 : I would not doubt it. Most likely, it will be E170s. I do not believe RAH has any E175s to operate, and they don't want them for F9 either, so it wou
57 rj777 : I wonder if these planes will be the ones that are just the blank white bodies and blue tails?
58 Frontier14 : I was just thinking that the overall costs per owned plane versus lease payment plane would be part of the equation of which 145s are kept or returne
59 Post contains links mariner : Okay, so the new EAS cities have been announced - Ironwood and Manistee - with Rhinelander as the intermediate: http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom..
60 knope2001 : Although I would (of course) still like to see CWA-MKE come back, I do like the choice of RHI here. Especially since the return of American Eagle to t
61 Post contains images enilria : In the webcast this morning, Ed Bastion specifically said "We will be getting additional E170s from the Frontier Airlines network as a result of a ne
62 mariner : I haven't seen the full summer schedule yet. I doubt that the additional 6 x A320's have all been scheduled in. Or - I'd be surprised if they have. A
63 enilria : I wonder if they made DL pay through the nose for shafting their own schedule like this? I doubt it. I'm sure Skywest was eager to make the same deal
64 mariner : I don't have the exact figures, of course, but dickie birds tell me the margins are "very healthy". Make of that what you will. mariner
65 Post contains links point2point : "Republic Airlines to Operate Service to Nassau from Charlotte, Phildelphia and Washington, DC - Will Be Offered Pursuant to Fee-For-Service Arrangeme
66 ERJ170 : I could accept this if they would at least add a flight to MCI or DEN also.. but oh well..
67 Aloha717200 : I need to ask you guys a question. I've just gotten off the phone with my local Chamber of Commerce director. I'm doing research for a paper I'm writi
68 Post contains images yellowtail : I think you answered you own question. Unless of course Pocatello turns into the next MCO or CUN overnight
69 mariner : I don't know, but I would guess the latter. I haven't heard about a new deal with US - which doesn't mean there isn't one, of course. mariner
70 Post contains images point2point : ZK probably will be having a lot of planes hanging around...
71 bahadir : In one of the conferences BB mentioned that he would have preferred 175s to 170s. Of course you can put 86 seats on 175s vs. 170s making the CASM mor
72 FRNT787 : Exactly right. But they seem to have added to that concept and selected the E190 as the replacement.
73 Aloha717200 : That's a thought, though I wonder if our airport would be nervous to have them considering the debacle we went through over Big Sky. In truth, I've h
74 enilria : IMHO they will not have a serious conversation with Frontier on a route like that without a revenue guarantee that allows F9 to have a small profit r
75 Post contains images n7371f : Look, BB isn't going to suddenly pull a bunch of E-Jets out of the branded operation (which is suppose to be their future) without getting a hell of
76 Aloha717200 : Pocatello's gamble is that if they can get a revenue guarantee in place, and lure F9 with that, that F9's low fares will draw the folks that usually
77 knope2001 : I pretty much agree with your assessment of the E170 distribution in terms of numbers. However I think there are mitigating circumstances which lesse
78 enilria : Sort of. This decision is interesting because the equation is pretty simple. The analysis would have simply been, "will the planes be more profitable
79 Aloha717200 : Definitely agreed, though I think the city simply wants to be able to become a spoke for more airlines. I don't think it has any dreams of becoming a
80 mariner : And a year ago, BB said that the E170's were going away - when fuel wasn't at anything like these levels. It's been known for a long time that the ai
81 bahadir : I honestly give more credit to EMB135s than 145s for the new role that they are playing with. If F9 can get EAS services taken care of with these air
82 ExpressJet_ERJ : Just some thoughts and comments on F9. N290SK (E145) was damaged badly while being painted. Some serious sanding issues, it is now at BKL for repairs.
83 timf : Does anyone have an update on which aircraft have been repainted? I don't think the registration number of the aircraft reported in Reply 19 was ever
84 Post contains links pilotfox : N170HQ (E190) was the last repaint I have seen. I believe its a Bison "Humphrey" from an A318 Earlier this week N951FR and N953FR had their decals on
85 bjorn14 : I think IDA has better chance at snagging F9.
86 HangerQueen : Watch for MCI-ANC and MCI-BDA. Just sayin'.
87 ERJ170 : When will this be loaded in the system?
88 rj777 : I think that might actually be Grizz!
89 knope2001 : This is a SCASD grant, not an EAS bid. An Essential Air Service bid: --Is a subisdy program to guarantee a minimum-defined level of air service to a
90 Post contains images kingcavalier : It's probably Bennie. It was on N812FR and it makes sense if it's coming back because Grizz is still flying on N801FR. Here's a pic of both bears -
91 loggat : 162HL is the new one with the wolf. I can't speak for 170HQ, but if that one has been repainted, then it must of only JUST come off the paint line.
92 ridgid727 : If F9 can't keep BOI year round I can't see IDA or PIH attracting them.
93 TZTriStar500 : 951 is indeed Benny and is in the hangar with induction and seat mods. O'Malley is on 953 and 952 still has its gray tail, both are parked outside on
94 YXwatcherMKE : Would that be on the ramp at MKE or IND or else where?
95 knope2001 : That was a typo by the OP...those are the E170 (not E145) flights scheduled for June at the time he checked. This morning's schedule updates have one
96 Post contains images ERJ170 : and I should assume still no MCI or DEN addition to RDU coming? Arrrrrgh!!!! Come ON! There's way more traffic to both than to MKE..
97 sunking737 : IND IIRC
98 adamblang : Milwaukee. I drive by them every day on the way into the office.
99 MCI10 : 162 is painted with the wolf. 170 has Humphrey the Buffalo. And 165 is getting painted as we speak. It is in the hanger now.
100 loggat : Good deal. Where are they sending them for paint this time around? I assume the new place in IND that destroyed the skin of 290SK probably isn't on t
101 MCI10 : Acrually they are being painted in MCI.
102 knope2001 : I understand your pain, but at least for the time being they need to downgrade some markets to free up E170 to leave. By later this summer MKE to EWR
103 loggat : Are we doing it in house or is there a third party?
104 azstar : Are those 190's ?
105 n7371f : Jet Midwest at the ex-TWA mtc base.
106 Post contains links YXwatcherMKE : The Link below will answer your question. http://flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php...gory:Midwest_Airlines#Embraer_E145 Cool, I will have to Get down to
107 SANFan : Can you elaborate on this a bit, Knope? Regarding SAN, I find this interesting since (as of now, and I expect it to remain this way) FL is gone from
108 MCI10 : Sorry guys I said it was 165 that was being painted but it isn't. I believe its 164.
109 LAXintl : And fuel was $20-30/bbl cheaper also. I'm afraid many marginal longer segments will not be making a return across the industry. Additionally capacity
110 FRNT787 : Indeed. This year will be made up of CASM improvements. Higher CASM airplanes are on their way out where possible, being replaced by better aircraft,
111 LAXintl : Not much, but Chautauqua, Lynx and Republic were granted DOT approval for previously jointly filed petition to register the "Frontier Express" trade n
112 enilria : F9 can charge less, but "filling" the Q400 is the problem. No doubt. G4 plays all the airports against one another for cash. I'm among the amazed tha
113 mariner : Not quite. The deal is for Chautauqua, Lynx and Republic Airlines, all subsidiaries of RAH. Frontier is also owned by RAH - Republic Airways Holdings
114 IndyWA : Simple. CONTRACTS. If DL/UA cancel the contracts, they pay a VERY large penalty and loss of Express aircraft (They might even need to take over the l
115 JBo : There's that saying that goes "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." Since DL just recently awarded RAH more flying, they must not have t
116 enilria : Semantics...Then I guess the former Frontier Airlines holdings, FRNT ticker, was not really an airline either...rather a holding company. Splitting h
117 mariner : It has nothing to do with semantics. It has to do with corporate structure. RAH is not an airline, regional or otherwise. It is a holding company. Tr
118 rj777 : Ok, so the Frontier Express is going to go on the E135, E145s, Q400 and what other aircraft? They can't possibly put it on the 170's or E190's. That w
119 Antoniemey : Or they consider RAH to be more of a friend than an enemy.
120 Post contains links and images kingcavalier : I think you've got it. I think Airbus and E170/190 will be branded as mainline and everything else will be Frontier Express. Bedford has said he want
121 JBo : Precisely, and the same way that Midwest Air Group, Inc. (formerly Midwest Express Holdings), ticker MEH, was the holding company of Midwest Airlines
122 F9Animal : Or, DL realizes that RAH has a great product, and that is key.
123 JBo : That and I'm sure the fact that RAH is the only operator of E-170s in the country (aside from Compass) may be a factor, as well.
124 n7371f : So if this is the case, it likely explains why 'A Whole Different Animal' is painted on the engines of the 145 fleet and not in the traditional spot
125 JBo : Indeed. I think they were probably trying to decide on what name to use for their regional operation, whether ot use the traditional "Express" or "Co
126 Post contains links and images rj777 : Ok, so here's an ERJ-145 in the current scheme: View Large View MediumPhoto © Andy Egloff Anybody want to try a Photoshop rendering with an Express t
127 knope2001 : Sure. Here's what had originally been loaded, using 3 aircraft #1 A319 MKE-SAN-MKE-SEA-MKE...operated 4-5 days per week #2 319 MKE-LAX-MKE...operated
128 n7371f : I was unaware that at least one additional A320 coming on lease was used. Filed just recently was Frontier planning to lease Airbus A320 msn 1385 ex L
129 Post contains links and images mariner : Dan Webb has a go at sorting it out: http://boardingarea.com/blogs/things...ay-hello-to-frontiers-latest-a320/ "Republic’s second quarter 10-Q said
130 Post contains images SANFan : But I do appreciate, as usual, your reasoning and taking the time to present all these facts and analysis. A couple of other things I noticed, Knope.
131 Post contains links enilria : If UA does then they are crazy. F9 has cost UA a lot of money in DEN. UA won't be friends with F9 until they put their code on F9's DEN operations. T
132 kingcavalier : Or maybe UA has cost F9 a lot of money in DEN? I don't think either has cost the other money. I believe F9/UA were coexisting and kept RASM at decent
133 mariner : Whether it is all airlines or not, one of the primary purpose of any holding company is to diminish risk. If one subsidiary catches a cold, the conta
134 Post contains links mariner : When they revised the route map a few days ago, they gave a bigger dot to OMA - a hub/focus city roundel: http://www.frontierairlines.com:80/f...ook/r
135 Tigerguy : Hmmm, it'll be interesting to see how a boosted OMA will interact with MCI 3 hours down the road. Speaking of the latter, I haven't heard much from th
136 Post contains images point2point : 3 hours down the road sounds like a bit of a schlep to me...... On another note, F9 begins its DEN/LIR service tomorrow. Finally, this route starts a
137 TZTriStar500 : All seven A320s are new from Airbus through two lessors, one of them being AWAS. No used A320s are planned so not sure where that rumor started. N208
138 rj777 : I wonder if Omaha being a Focus city means that F9 will need more gates?
139 Aloha717200 : I am pleased to see Omaha become a focus city. I may be wrong, but the impression I'm getting is that F9 is really doing much better for itself. Which
140 SurfandSnow : Wow, good news for Omaha! I wonder if MCI will keep growing too
141 HangerQueen : MCI may turn-out to be quite the battleground for turf, going head to head with WN which keeps growing its number of flights. It will take quite a co
142 F9Animal : What do you guys think about OKC? Could that not be a perfect focus city? It is pretty much centrally located.
143 Post contains images joeljack : I noticed SAN-OMA is a fare sale city on frontierairlines.com. This got me interested and looked up a whole bunch of dates between now a April to look
144 SANFan : Good discussion but starting in June, LAX-OMA operates on Saturdays as well! (That makes LA 4x weekly, and SAN 3x weekly so the a/c is accounted for
145 joeljack : Interesting. I read the it was going 4x daily but didn't realize the 4th would be on Saturday's. Hmmm. I think this would have done better to SAN but
146 Post contains images SANFan : I'm a bit confused here. Last night I saw Mariner's post (above), looked on the F9 booking engine and found the Saturday operation of F9 #1731/1730 i
147 Post contains images mariner : Fairly steadily, I imagine. OMA isn't "instead of" MCI and I don't think MCI is at its full (Frontier) potential yet. Eventually, I guess they have t
148 n7371f : Hmm. There are a few companies that provide fleet tracking & status updates to airlines & industry. Won't name which one but it's one used by
149 point2point : An interesting tidbit from the recent filing of Republic's request to fly from CLT, DCA and PHL to NAS (OST-2011-0018 - Republic Airlines - US-Bahamas
150 TZTriStar500 : I'm fully aware of some of those and aerotransport.org is one of those that doesn't cost an arm and a leg for access and is very accurate. This is be
151 GentFromAlaska : I suspect this has more to do at least in part with F9 being awarded the federal GSA city pair between SEA-MCI effective Oct 1, 2010 through Sep 30,
152 TUSAA : Heard about a possible MCI-TUS flight starting in the fall.
153 mke717spotter : That would be pretty cool to get some increased service here in TUS, even if it is like the MKE-TUS service that only operates once a week for a few
154 azstar : Heard the same rumor, TUS-MCI. But, I've heard if for about a year. Southwest will probably beat them to it. I've also heard TUS-MKE has about a 50-6
155 n7371f : Not sure if I missed this or not, but DEN-GRB is showing M W F this summer on a 319 vs the E90 that ran last summer.
156 Post contains links YXwatcherMKE : Yup, it is true, here is the link. http://www.co.brown.wi.us/i/f/airport/Frontier-GRB-DEN-2011.pdf
157 Frontier14 : Anyone know why there are no N212FR or N215FR projected? Could these be for additional leases that may be coming? Frontier14
158 timf : These registration numbers are already assigned to Cessnas.
159 Post contains links YXwatcherMKE : Sorry about bad link, here is a corrected one. http://www.co.brown.wi.us/i/f/airport/Frontier-GRB-DEN-2011.pdf
160 Post contains links mariner : It's a blurred picture of the aircraft, but it's the first one I've seen with the hummingbird on the E190 tail: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rrichard3
161 loggat : That is 164HQ incase anyone is interested.
162 Post contains links joeljack : http://www.omaha.com/article/20110212/MONEY/702129842 This article says a 4th weekly flight will be added in June on OMA-LAX. It doesn't appear to be
163 yellowtail : At least it won't be confused for BW hummingbirds!
164 SANFan : Yes, I commented on this 5/6 days ago... ... and I continue to wonder what's happening with that as well? (I just checked and LAX remains 3x wkly in
165 mariner : I think that's probably true. We just got DEN-GRB added to the mix and maybe they're still optimizing the aircraft availability issues? I'm a tad puz
166 pilotfox : Not sure if it was mentioned or not. N161HL (E190) is in the new paint. The tail is a Fawn from a A318 tail.
167 loggat : The Pilot Integration list has been released by the Arbitrator. IF, and ONLY IF, the NMB finds the carriers to be a Single Transportation System, then
168 intheair10 : Now that the SLI is complete, how will it effect stock price and company strategy? I've been under the impression that the company would hold off with
169 PlanePainter : That would be N166HQ
170 SANFan : And, coincidentally, the OMA-SAN-OMA service changes to an almost identical morning schedule as well. As has been the case since the beginning of the
171 loggat : 161HL is the fawn. I flew it 2 days ago. Is 166 now in the paint shop? 161,162,164,170,174 and 175 are all in F9 paint at the current time (all E190s
172 Post contains links PlanePainter : My bad, http://www.flickr.com/photos/twinflight/5462577010/ = )
173 Post contains images mariner : True that. If it is one E190 for both routes that puts that aircraft in OMA in time for one more return flight for the day to somewhere - the afterno
174 bjorn14 : With all these route additions I wish F9 would go to a dynamic route map like WNs. It's getting kinda crowded.
175 KDEN : Agreed. They had a good one on the merger website, I would like to see them move it to the main website.
176 SANFan : Yes, the current OMA schedule sees the plane doing morning runs OMA-MCO-OMA on 1,4,5,6 & OMA-PIE-OMA on 3,7; then in the afternoon, it flys to Ca
177 Post contains links point2point : Here's a link to an interactive F9 route map, but it does need some updating..... http://www.frontiermidwest.com/weare...rontier-Interactive-Route-Ma
178 erj170 : Yes, click on RDU and tell me how pitiful that is... a link up to the other hubs is desperately needed..
179 knope2001 : The plane which does OMA-California-OMA in the morning is being used to add a 5th late afternoon flight to/from Denver. Not as exicting as something n
180 Post contains images SANFan : Why am I not surprised that you would know the answer, knope? Mystery solved; thank you sir. (BTW, do YOU know... is the summer schedule pretty well
181 Post contains images mariner : "Setting" may be the word, SANFan. There are a few interesting changes coming through. DEN-GRR goes Airbus in June, presumably for the summer, while
182 knope2001 : Hard to know. The fleet changes over the next several months are at least somewhat incorporated into the summer schedule. But there may be more chang
183 boydatageek : I'm driving 2 1/2 hour to SAT from CRP to fly to/from MKE this week, Boy, do I wish F9 flew to CRP! The route I would fly however is DEN-CRP. There a
184 sideflare75 : I think it is.
185 n7371f : I don't have access to the arbitrators ruling but from the few emails & texts the temperature I'm getting from FAL pilots is not really good. Yes,
186 Post contains images point2point : I wouldn't know the legal sense of how this works, but it would seem that all the companies except Republic Holding fly airplanes, so it would seem t
187 loggat : That's not the definition of an STS. A google search will provide ample examples of how the National Mediation Board determines whether separate carr
188 FL787 : I see that F9 adjusted their summer schedule out of MKE this weekend. I specifically looked around the middle of the summer when the DL E70s should be
189 bjorn14 : Thanks for the link...but not to get greedy I wish they would have a non-stop only button, those connecting flights make it almost unreadable.
190 YXwatcherMKE : I see again MKE is being cheated as to the size of a/c. When YX was operating at its peak they had 25 717's and was it 12 OO CRJ;s and they have over
191 Post contains images point2point : You're welcome.... ...and yes, they do need a "Show Only Nonstop Service" button like WN, as well as to update it and move it over into their main F9
192 MostlyAir : You're dreaming if you think IT would work on this, it's kinda on hold right now. But there will be a new one in the future which will be hosted on F
193 kingcavalier : I'm hearing Frontier's entire web site is being revamped. Have you heard anything?
194 n7371f : That's too big a market for WN, unless they run TUS-MCI onward to a specific destination. I would say MDW but there are already nonstops. ExpressJet
195 n7371f : Yes, BB did say that...however it was well over a year ago...and reality is: DEN is where Frontier can best make money right now. MKE yields remain d
196 azstar : TUS-MCI-MKE or TUS-MCI-MSP would do very well, thank you. Those are the 3 largest F9 markets from TUS. There is no nonstop TUS-MCI or direct TUS-MKE
197 Post contains links and images mariner : I'd vote for that - either of them. But here's an intersting one - Banson and Airtran to announce more service tomorrow. It would suggest - only sugg
198 Post contains links mariner : And also news of the fleet shuffle, a very small discussion about the C Series and no E145's going to DEN at this time: http://boardingarea.com/blogs/
199 FL787 : I don't know what the destination is, but don't be surprised if it's just MKE again. BKG probably realizes that somewhat continuous service is crucia
200 n7371f : Saw that. That means there are going to likely be a handful of motley looking ERJ-145's in hybrid CO colors (I also believe a few former AA Connectio
201 n7371f : Well the financial report just came out for FY10 and 4Q10...Branded lost $26 million in 4Q; $11.2 million loss if you take into account special charge
202 kingcavalier : F9 already does BKG - MKE on the E170/E190 which is a lot easier to fill. It will be a new FL destination in addition to ATL and MCO. I would say any
203 FL787 : Not currently. BKG-MKE was taken out of the schedule recently. Though the fact that they say MAJOR announcement makes me think it won't be MKE.
204 Post contains links kingcavalier : Just announced - http://www.news-leader.com/article/2...|newswell|text|Special%20Reports|p AirTran will operate 4 weekly flights from BKG to MDW and
205 Post contains links knope2001 : Republic Q4 earnings are out, Torn on posting them here versus opening a new thread...it belongs here but invariably somebody lese creates a new threa
206 sunking737 : Sorry Knope I started #17. Please post all comments there. Mods please lock this one.
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