n471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 2 Posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 25625 times:
Sadly it appears that after numerous attempts to place this proud bird have failed, she will be scrapped at MZJ with just 44,000 hours on her frame and just over 5500 cycles.......what a pity as she was flown from VCV to Pusan and then to MZJ----tells a story that her parts are worth more than her whole but still a shame as she would have been an excellent freighter conversion candidate.
n471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 25374 times:
Quoting BA174 (Reply 1):
Isn't this the one that was stored since post 9/11? Not a huge surprise.
Yes but it did fly several times as I said in my note and was properly stored but my point is while not a huge surprise still a shame. It simply could not find a viable buyer and was even painted in a new livery for a failed attempt.
cloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 25175 times:
The question to ask is: why such a young aircraft could not find an operator? Is there low demand for 744s, either in passenger or freighter configuration? Price too steep? Needed a D-check and nobody wanted to pay for it?
poz2brs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 24490 times:
Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 9): If you divide the purchase price by 5500 cycles, is there even a remote chance that this aircraft was ever profitable? Or if you divide the purchase price by 44K hours? Can somebody do the math here?
Not sure what the historical prices for the 744 were, but say $200M is a sensible ballpark figure, that would equate to purchase costs alone in excess of $4500 per hour of flight. I'm not optimistic that N185UA ever made a profit as a single frame, though I'm sure UA's 744 fleet as a whole has served them well.
SEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6673 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 24362 times:
Does this plane have any damage history, or anything like that? I would think it would have found a home as a freighter unless there was something particularly unattractive about that particular airplane.
The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 24158 times:
The answer is easy.. it all comes down to cost. If you can lease one of several planes for say $30,000 a month and this one is $50,000 a month which one are you going to choose..? I'm sure the lease rate was way above the current market.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 22166 times:
Quoting mav75 (Reply 19): Does anyone know if this is the first 744 to be scrapped?
No, the first 744 scrapped was Air NZs first one which was broken up earlier last year. Currently there are also 3 ex-AF 744s and the JAL-744Ds which are in various stages of dismantling or destined for it.
If N185UA will be broken up indeed, its by far the youngest in flight hours though and will likely keep that dubious record for long. Any 747 being dismantled before it has passed 100.000 Hrs dies too young.
trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3223 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 21912 times:
It's sad to see the slow decline of the 747-400. If one spots at LHR now and compares the scene with say 5 years ago the decline of the 744 is painfully obvious. Many airlines have turned over to the 777-300ER (in particular), A380 or other models from the Jumbo and, while BA's jets still soldier on, relatively few come around in other liveries. A real shame as it is still a solid performer but alas, time marches on.
Expect to see more 747-400s go down in the next few years. Sadly, this plane with a history of 10 years of storage would have been an unlikely candidate to return to any service - what with newer models being stood down and placed for sale. Even if its cycle age were low, its chronological age is still high and that still has a part to play.