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Will DL Start HKG-ATL Anytime Soon?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9181 posts, RR: 15
Posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5839 times:

We have been talking about DL starting HKG-ATL for a long time. Now they are flying Hong Kong-Detroit instead.

Any news regarding HKG-ATL? Will this come to a reality?

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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2877 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5768 times:

I would think SEA-HKG is far more likely than ATL-HKG at this point


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5295 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Any news regarding HKG-ATL? Will this come to a reality?

No. ATL-HKG was discussed back when DL didn't really have any other TPAC hub. At this point, DL has its main TPAC hub at DTW, with a nicely-sized Asian gateway at SEA. I would expect either DTW-HKG to go daily or SEA-HKG to be launched, or both before we even begin talking about ATL-HKG. Frankly, ATL-HKG is not going to be happening anytime soon, if ever.



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User currently offlineelbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 757 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5751 times:

ATL-HKG would come very close to directly overflying DTW. There's really no need for it since most connections outside of Florida would require doubling back. They're better off (if they don't already) selling ATL-DTW-HKG as a direct flight the way they do ATL-LAX-SYD

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5375 times:

In short, no.

If any southern hub got HKG service it would probably be IAH.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4079 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

I really don't see ATL being the big DL hub to Asia beyond NRT, PVG or possibly PEK, since they are focusing more of those connections through DTW or even SEA. If DL breaks any more ground in Asia, it might well be from LAX to newer more high growth markets such as CGK (no direct North American service as of yet) or SIN. LAX-HKG is well covered.


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User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5229 times:

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
for a long time.

There's the key.
During this "long time", DL's network scope has entirely changed, and grown more complex.
SEA, DTW and LAX are in the mix now.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9661 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

I think SEA-HKG could be the next transpacific flight to come if DL had a plane that could do it. It is a route that hasn't been served in over a decade and is the largest Asian market not served nonstop from SEA. However, I don't think an A330 could do the route as it is longer than DTW-NRT and the 777 fleet is used elsewhere.

ATL-HKG would be a challenge. It would need a 772LR and DL is pretty busy using those on other routes.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4079 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4882 times:

I think there is a number of "wish list: trans-Pacific routes DL would like to at least try but lack sufficient aircrafts (772LR) to do;
SEA-HKG
LAX-SGN
LAX-CGK
...and obviously others.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9181 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 1):
I would think SEA-HKG is far more likely than ATL-HKG at this point

Any news about SEA-HKG? Currently no one is flying that

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 5):
LAX-HKG is well covered.

They used to fly LAX-HKG. Why did they cut it?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25512 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 8):
LAX-SGN
LAX-CGK

You could fill SGN certainly, however it will be bottom of the barrel ethnic fares. UA's LAX-HKG was known as the Saigon Express due to all the connections.

CGK, sorry just don't see for a long time to come. Indonesia and US really have marginal business and VFR traffic between them.
Best bet for a Jakarta flight would first via a intra-Asia tag.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 9):
They used to fly LAX-HKG. Why did they cut it?

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User currently offlineelmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1544 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
If any southern hub got HKG service it would probably be IAH.

... or DFW.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 8):
SEA-HKG

Well within the range of a 777-200/ER.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9661 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4770 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 8):
LAX-SGN
LAX-CGK

They failed at flying to Vietnam from their hub in NRT. If that didn't work, there is no chance of a nonstop flight.

Flights to South East Asia also are a struggle for all but the 772LR. Only the major business centers of BKK and SIN can support nonstop flights.



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User currently offlineelbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 757 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 11):
Well within the range of a 777-200/ER.

the question is there demand to fill one or will it have to wait for a 788 which DL doesn't plan on taking for another 9 years


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6153 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):

Agreed. DL has better place to place a 77L from LAX then SGN.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4079 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
Flights to South East Asia also are a struggle for all but the 772LR. Only the major business centers of BKK and SIN can support nonstop flights.
Quoting elbandgeek (Reply 13):
the question is there demand to fill one or will it have to wait for a 788 which DL doesn't plan on taking for another 9 years

I don't think these are a matter of "IF" as opposed to "WHEN" given that Vietnam and Indonesia represent 2 of the fastest emerging economies in the far east. But more than likely not until 2014 or thereafter... Thailand became a post-Japan sweatshop by the late 1980s which has made BKK and SIN the only current viable North America-SE Asia non-stops. Where DL is concerned is SkyTeam needs to compete with the 600lb gorillas that OneWorld (AA, QF, CX) and Star (UA, SQ) represent in those markets. NRT connections have their limitations as the NRT-SGN service suggests.

SIN, BKK, SGN & CGK all represent some of the longest flights to/from anywhere in North America, so aircraft range capabilities for particularly DL become an issue. AC is the only other North American operator of the 772LR (& are also on the Boeing docket for the 787 early on), so part of me wonders who might try it first.



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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8572 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4139 times:
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Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
If any southern hub got HKG service it would probably be IAH.

I would have thought DFW more likely since there would be a OW hub at either end of the route .



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User currently offlineswissair4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 16):
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
If any southern hub got HKG service it would probably be IAH.

I would have thought DFW more likely since there would be a OW hub at either end of the route .

Completely agree. CX to DFW is much more likely than a nonstop IAH-HKG service.

DFW-HKG would a OW to OW hub, plus cater to the large asian community in the DFW/North Texas area.

Whereas IAH-HKG would not be a star hub conx, and even though there is a large asian community in IAH...the CX to DFW (which has been rumoured) would do MUCH MUCH better. (p.s. before someone chimes in ...i do realize UA has a sizeable presence in HKG but its NOT a STAR hub even though lots of STAR carriers fly there)


User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Quoting swissair4ever (Reply 17):
CX to DFW is much more likely than a nonstop IAH-HKG service.

More likely in relative terms but still unlikely in absolute terms.

Quoting swissair4ever (Reply 17):
DFW-HKG would a OW to OW hub

That does not matter. I keep asking this question. And now you ask yourself this question - where in America can you connect to from DFW on CX+AA, that you cannot connect to via any of the existing gateways? Hence what is the value of adding HKG-DFW to the network? As far as I can see? None. Adding capacity to existing gateways is the most low risk and efficient way of expansion.

And that's why it has taken CX so long to open ORD. It's all about benefiting from the OW alliance as much as possible to derisk the operation. Once you see enough connection bookings in the system to a specific city would you then consider direct flights.

Quoting swissair4ever (Reply 17):
plus cater to the large asian community in the DFW/North Texas area.

That does not matter either. A large asian community is not responsible for generating the premium traffic that makes ULH work.



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

There is no nead for a ATL-HKG non stop flight nor would Delta gain anything by adding it. Don't see it coming in the future.

User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

I can't see ATL - HKG for all the reasons stated above. What would made sense would be SEA - HKG. As the DL/AS partnership builds, either SFO or SEA - HKG could make a good growth point. But, like everything else, it will depend on what happens with the economy.

I would be surprised if DL did not want to expand into HKG and China in general.

As to Ho Chi Minh, perhaps once the 787 comes on board, we'll see a nonstop route from the mainland.

Dave



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