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AA Increases MIA-BOG For Summer 2011  
User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

For the peak summer 2011 season (09JUN11-22AUG11), AA will add a third daily MIA-BOG flight. The other two flights will have a few re-timings and the overall schedule will be -:

AA913 MIA 0935 BOG 1205 daily 757
AA915 MIA 1640 BOG 1920 daily 757
AA2151 MIA 2015 BOG 2250 daily 738

AA2170 BOG 0700 MIA 1145 daily 757
AA916 BOG 1317 MIA 1810 daily 757
AA2152 BOG 2355 MIA 0440+ daily 738

Also, a few domestic MIA routes are showing new increases for summer 2011, although they appear to simply maintain the current winter season frequency where it was previously set to be reduced going into summer.

MIA-BOS 6>7
MIA-MCO 7>8
MIA-TPA 5>6
MIA-ATL 4>5 (mainline) plus one Eagle for 6x daily total

Unfortunately, MIA-PLS appears to be having a reduction to 2x daily.

These changes should be loaded into the reservations tonight.


Ryan / HKG
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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8280 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5337 times:
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Quoting DFWEagle (Thread starter):
AA2151 MIA 2015 BOG 2250 daily 738
Quoting DFWEagle (Thread starter):
AA2152 BOG 2355 MIA 0440+ daily 738

why such a lousy time for a third flight. Why midnight from BOG to Miami with the Brazilian arrival time of 0440. AA should have a late morning departure after their 0700 departure.


User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5315 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
why such a lousy time for a third flight. Why midnight from BOG to Miami with the Brazilian arrival time of 0440. AA should have a late morning departure after their 0700 departure.

I agree. I would guess that the schedule they have chosen does not require any extra planes because it uses an aircraft that would otherwise park in Miami overnight. If they had another daytime flight, they might need to find an additional plane which would be more expensive or difficult.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5305 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
why such a lousy time for a third flight. Why midnight from BOG to Miami with the Brazilian arrival time of 0440. AA should have a late morning departure after their 0700 departure.

as DFWEagle said, probably the plane sits idle, but also MIA-BOG is an O&D market, mainly for VFR traffic which doesn't require any good timings for connections.


User currently offlinea300aa From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5107 times:

Will work,. Also BOG have only slots at midnight... thats another reasson

User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4001 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
why such a lousy time for a third flight. Why midnight from BOG to Miami with the Brazilian arrival time of 0440

After a connection in Miami, it gets a lot of people into a lot of different airports before lunch time. As the number of departures multiply, it seems like a good choice in the mix to have a midnight departure.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4786 times:
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Quoting DFWEagle (Thread starter):

Will AA add a third daily MIA-LIM service for the summer season? AA will soon reduce capacity on the MIA-LIM route by deploying the B752 on AA2110/AA2111, instead of the usual B763.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
Why midnight from BOG to Miami with the Brazilian arrival time of 0440. AA should have a late morning departure after their 0700 departure.

Many flights from South America arrive into MIA around that timeframe in order to maximize onward connections, e.g. AA 912 from SCL arrives at 0445, AA918 from LIM arrives at 0525, etc.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8280 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4773 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
Many flights from South America arrive into MIA around that timeframe in order to maximize onward connections, e.g. AA 912 from SCL arrives at 0445, AA918 from LIM arrives at 0525, etc.

SCL 767,

You are absolutely correct that flights from Lima and Santiago, Rio, Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires arrive at 0400-0500, wgat is missing here ? Anything north of Lima.

Caracas, Colombia, Ecuador, Panama, Costa Rica north to Mexico arrive during "regular" hours not noctural hours. These are 3 hour flights with 737, A320 and 757 with no lie flat Business class seats like your respected LAN's 767 have.

AA has several daily flights to Miami from Caribean and Equatorial Latin American countries so that people can fly to Miami in the morning, do their business and go home in the afternoon. North Latin countries want frequency not lie flat Business Class.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4742 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
North Latin countries want frequency not lie flat Business Class.

And what about cargo? Why does AA currently operate MIA-GYE daily and MIA-MGA daily with the B763?

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
Caracas, Colombia, Ecuador, Panama, Costa Rica north to Mexico arrive during "regular" hours not noctural hours. These are 3 hour flights with 737, A320 and 757 with no lie flat Business class seats like your respected LAN's 767 have.

AA offers lie-flat business class seats on similar flights. AA deploys the B763 on MIA-GYE daily, MIA-MGA daily, MIA-PAP daily, MIA-POS daily, MIA-SDQ daily, etc.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8280 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4677 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 8):
AA offers lie-flat business class seats on similar flights. AA deploys the B763 on MIA-GYE daily, MIA-MGA daily, MIA-PAP daily, MIA-POS daily, MIA-SDQ daily, etc

SCL767,

AA uses the 767 between flights to distant cities to the caribean because the A300 left the fleet. But AA did not configure a 767 fleet to offer lie flat business class to Santo Domingo and Managua. Would LAN configure a 767 fleet to offer lie flat Business Class seats to Buenos Aires Only ?


User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4651 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 6):
Will AA add a third daily MIA-LIM service for the summer season?

Nothing has been added so far on MIA-LIM and it is still looking like it will be 2x daily 757. I guess there is still time for that to change though.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 8):
AA offers lie-flat business class seats on similar flights. AA deploys the B763 on MIA-GYE daily, MIA-MGA daily, MIA-PAP daily, MIA-POS daily, MIA-SDQ daily, etc.

For summer 2011, the 763 is going from MIA-MGA and MIA-SDQ. AA needs wide-body aircraft to fund its transatlantic and transpacific expansion.



Ryan / HKG
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4617 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
AA uses the 767 between flights to distant cities to the caribean because the A300 left the fleet. But AA did not configure a 767 fleet to offer lie flat business class to Santo Domingo and Managua. Would LAN configure a 767 fleet to offer lie flat Business Class seats to Buenos Aires Only ?

Yes, AA deployed the B763s on certain routes operated with the A300s in the past. AA's entire fleet of B763s feature lie-flat business class seats, which is simply an added bonus for business pax.

FYI, LAN's Colombian affiliate operates BOG-FLL-BOG daily (B737-700):
4C208 BOG 0720 FLL 1215
4C209 FLL 1400 BOG 1615

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 10):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 8):
AA offers lie-flat business class seats on similar flights. AA deploys the B763 on MIA-GYE daily, MIA-MGA daily, MIA-PAP daily, MIA-POS daily, MIA-SDQ daily, etc.

For summer 2011, the 763 is going from MIA-MGA and MIA-SDQ. AA needs wide-body aircraft to fund its transatlantic and transpacific expansion.

Interesting, this might be the reason as to why MIA-LIM will operate 2x daily (B752), so far.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8280 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4551 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 11):
FYI, LAN's Colombian affiliate operates BOG-FLL-BOG daily (B737-700):
4C208 BOG 0720 FLL 1215
4C209 FLL 1400 BOG 1615

SCL767,

I am familiar with the AIRES schedule as LAN has cut teh FLL way back, no more CTG or BAQ to FLL flights.

The schdeule above is very typical is flights from Colombia to Florida, Avianca's schedules are as if they had been done by the same planners.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4470 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):
I am familiar with the AIRES schedule as LAN has cut teh FLL way back, no more CTG or BAQ to FLL flights.

And you forgot to mention the MDE-FLL and BOG-JFK services as well. Most of 4C's old international flights will most certainly be reinstated in due course.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):
The schdeule above is very typical is flights from Colombia to Florida, Avianca's schedules are as if they had been done by the same planners.

No, the schedules are NOT the same on the BOG-MIA/FLL flights! AA and both LA/4C offer much better schedules out of BOG. AA2170 (BOG-MIA) departs BOG at 0700 and 4C208 (BOG-FLL) departs BOG at 0720. AV's flight to FLL departs BOG at 0944, AV's first flight to MIA departs BOG at 1020, and AV's second flight to MIA departs BOG at 1815. AA916 (BOG-MIA) departs BOG at 1317 and LAN (BOG-MIA) departs BOG at 1540 thrice weekly.


User currently offlinecloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4379 times:

Quoting DFWEagle (Thread starter):
Also, a few domestic MIA routes are showing new increases for summer 2011, although they appear to simply maintain the current winter season frequency where it was previously set to be reduced going into summer.

MIA-BOS 6>7
MIA-MCO 7>8
MIA-TPA 5>6
MIA-ATL 4>5 (mainline) plus one Eagle for 6x daily total

Is the increase in MIA-BOS flight to add capacity to accommodate dropping of BOS-SJU from schedule?



Boston, USA
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4347 times:
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Quoting DFWEagle (Thread starter):
Also, a few domestic MIA routes are showing new increases for summer 2011, although they appear to simply maintain the current winter season frequency where it was previously set to be reduced going into summer.

On 04/05/11:
MIA-BWI increases from 2x daily to 3x daily year-round
MIA-MAD increases from daily to 12x weekly

On 06/09/11:
MIA-MAD increases to 2x daily
MIA-PAP increases to 4x daily
MIA-PUJ increases to 3x daily
MIA-STT increases to 3x daily year-round


User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1988 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

This is still a far cry from the 3x / 4x daily AA used to have to BOG, which included 767 and A300 widebody aircraft.

Agree that the timing is terrible. Btw, I don't think I understand how the 1st 757 will leave BOG at 7am... How many hours does it spend on the ground?

Cheers
Coal



Nxt Flts: VA SYD-CBR-SYD | VA SYD-OOL-SYD | JQ SYD-MEL | VA MEL-CBR-SYD | DL SYD-LAX-ATL-MIA | B6 FLL-DCA-BOS | DL BOS-L
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4225 times:
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Quoting Coal (Reply 16):
Btw, I don't think I understand how the 1st 757 will leave BOG at 7am... How many hours does it spend on the ground?

11hr50m


AA913 MIA 0935 BOG 1205 (B752)
AA915 MIA 1640 BOG 1910 (B752)
AA2151 MIA 2015 BOG 2250 (B738)
AA2170 BOG 0700 MIA 1145 (B752)
AA916 BOG 1317 MIA 1810 (B752)
AA2152 BOG 2355 MIA 0440 (B738)


User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 515 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days ago) and read 4157 times:
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This is not the first time AA runs a flight to or from BOG at weird hours..... I remember working an A300 from BOG to MIA at around 0300..And that was the scheduled departure time.... There also was a time that they ran all nighter turns at the same times they are running this new BOG turn, but to other destinations... SJO, PTY and SJU come to mind, but Im almost sure there were others.

User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1988 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
11hr50m

That seems like poor utilization, especially considering that a/c's base is not so far away. Wouldn't it make more sense to have that 757 go back to MIA on the 23:55 flight and the 738 on the 7:00 flight?

Cheers
Coal



Nxt Flts: VA SYD-CBR-SYD | VA SYD-OOL-SYD | JQ SYD-MEL | VA MEL-CBR-SYD | DL SYD-LAX-ATL-MIA | B6 FLL-DCA-BOS | DL BOS-L
User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8280 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3612 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
And you forgot to mention the MDE-FLL

SCL767,

Aires had 3 flights to FLL, the BOG to FLL but the other 2 went CLO-CTG -FLL and MDE-BAQ-FLL with 737's. NO MDE or CLO nonstop to FLL.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):
The schdeule above is very typical is flights from Colombia to Florida, Avianca's schedules are as if they had been done by the same planners.


No, the schedules are NOT the same on the BOG-MIA/FLL flights! AA and both LA/4C offer much better schedules out of BOG. AA2170 (BOG-MIA) departs BOG at 0700 and 4C208 (BOG-FLL) departs BOG at 0720. AV's flight to FLL departs BOG at 0944, AV's first flight to MIA departs BOG at 1020, and AV's second flight to MIA departs BOG at 1815. AA916 (BOG-MIA) departs BOG at 1317 and LAN (BOG-MIA) departs BOG at 1540 thrice weekly

My point exactly that the most flights leave Colombia in the morning and return in the afternoon from Miami. Of Course BOG is going to have more then one daily flight to Miami from AV.


User currently offlineSanti319 From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 20):
NO MDE or CLO nonstop to FLL

Nope, I believe CLO-FLL was operated nonstop 2x or 3x weekly actually....


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

Quoting Coal (Reply 16):
This is still a far cry from the 3x / 4x daily AA used to have to BOG, which included 767 and A300 widebody aircraft.

Yes. It's weird that no one has noticed that the 763 will be leaving the schedule, did they run out of cargo contracts or what?

Quoting a300aa (Reply 4):
Will work,. Also BOG have only slots at midnight... thats another reasson

BOG only having gate slots (not lading slots) at midnight is only partially another reaSon. A flight back to MIA at 0600 or 0700 wouldn't have a problem finding a gate at the international concourse.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 20):
NO MDE or CLO nonstop to FLL.

CLO-FLL flew 4x weekly non-stop.

Quoting Santi319 (Reply 21):
Nope, I believe CLO-FLL was operated nonstop 2x or 3x weekly actually....

4x weekly.



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User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3389 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 22):
Yes. It's weird that no one has noticed that the 763 will be leaving the schedule, did they run out of cargo contracts or what?

The 763 are needed for, among others, for the new ORD-HEL, JFK-BUD, JFK-BCN and MIA-MAD flights, that's why they have been removed from flights like BOG, MGA or LIM.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3316 times:
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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 22):
Yes. It's weird that no one has noticed that the 763 will be leaving the schedule, did they run out of cargo contracts or what?

I think is more a need of equipment. AA will need 4 763 to replace DFW and MIA flights that will be requiring the 763 as they will use 4 772 to begin flights to Asia (from JFK and LAX)



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25 Avianca : I am shocked to read this, cargo demand is very high out of LIM and also AA has some nice contracts MIA-LIM ... when will the reductio to 757 only st
26 Santi319 : Thanks I thought I saw it boarding one Friday!! Aires what a great airline, I will miss them!
27 SCL767 : MIA-STX increases from daily to 2x daily year-round. Starting February 1st, AA will operate MIA-LIM 2x daily utilizing the B752.
28 SJOtoLIR : The seasonal red-eye AA MIA-BOG 7x weekly with 738 is a very interesting introduction. On the other hand: 4C, AV and NK are already attending the Ft.
29 Avianca : searching on AA.com the AA-918 is still listed as 763, do you have any official source about the change? thank you and kind regards Avianca
30 777jaah : If I'm heading to S Florida, and can choose from a daytime departure or a red eye, trust me, I go for the daytime one. AV is basically offering 3x to
31 SCL767 : AA.com updated their schedule this morning, the B763 will also still be utilized on the MIA-MGA route daily as well until the end of March. However o
32 bogota : It all comes down to personal needs, I for instance do travel to the US for weekend getaways quite regularly and I personally know quite a few people
33 SCL767 : Actually AA operates a number of flights in this fashion in which an a/c will overnight at an overseas airport for more than 10 hours. For example, A
34 SJOtoLIR : This pattern will be available in the upcoming US summer break as well. Last year, AA MIA-LIM operated as 3x daily in the same filter period. . AA MI
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