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OSL To Expand And Increase Capacity  
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3940 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4850 times:

OSL to expand and increase capacity


Read more about it here and see what it will look like with the adittions:

http://www.osl.no/osl/micro/T2en


11 new parking areas with bridges for aircraft

6 new remote stands for aircraft

The new terminal will increase with 117 000 sq meters

Start of construction 2011 and will be finished 2017

New capacity will be 28 million passengers


Adittional expansion is under planning to increase further into the future after this completion to 35 million passengers.

[Edited 2011-01-22 15:36:21]

[Edited 2011-01-22 15:36:53]

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User currently offlinecedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Read more about it here and see what it will look like with the adittions:


Not bad at all! and I hope for Gardrmoen more and more airlines such as Alitalia,Olympic,Cyprus,Iberia,Emirates,Qatar Airways Ect......



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

Quoting cedars747 (Reply 1):
Not bad at all! and I hope for Gardrmoen more and more airlines such as Alitalia,Olympic,Cyprus,Iberia,Emirates,Qatar Airways Ect......

Unfortunetly they have been slow at deciding this. They should have started building along time ago in my opinion. By 2017 the new terminal with the new adittions will most likely already be to small again...


User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 2):
Unfortunetly they have been slow at deciding this. They should have started building along time ago in my opinion. By 2017 the new terminal with the new adittions will most likely already be to small again...

I'd say that depends alot of the future of DY, and also somewhat on the future of SK.


User currently offlinecedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4627 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 2):
They should have started building along time ago in my opinion


I know,Gardermoen is growing very fast,and by 2017 they will need to build another wing.But the area around is ok for an expansion
By the ways it's amazing how Gardermoen has improved the hotel capacity around it ,I am very satisfied



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4598 times:

I am a little bit disappointed with the design. I think it would be much better to build a parallel satellite building. If the satellite building was as long as the current terminal it could add a lot more terminal space. OSL might not need all that space immediately, but a satellite building can always be completed in stages.

However, the major positive with the chosen design is that all the gates in the new pier will be able to be used for domestic and international flights, which is good for DY and SK as they can arrive with domestic passengers, and depart with international passengers (or vice-versa), without moving the aircraft from the gate. A satellite terminal will most likely be for only domestic or international flights, with the current terminal being converted to all domestic or all international flights.

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

There are also said to be plans for a third runway. That however is not in the works until 2030 or something like that if I remember correctly. How do you guys feel about a third runway. Is it nessesery already now or will it ever be ? Politicians seem to be reluctant to go for that....

User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

I don't think there is a need for a third runway. Many airports survive with 2 or even 1.

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7410 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
11 new parking areas with bridges for aircraft

And they will close 8-10 of the existing gates

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 2):
By 2017 the new terminal with the new adittions will most likely already be to small again...

OSL is my favourite airport, however I think this new design is a terrible mistake, I favor the original design for expansion, the midfield satellite terminal, they even built the tunnel to the site where this terminal would have been located when they built OSL. I think this new addition will not give the additional capacity required, plus it will make it more difficult to build another terminal in the future.

Quoting cedars747 (Reply 4):
By the ways it's amazing how Gardermoen has improved the hotel capacity around it ,I am very satisfied

Have you stayed in the new Park Inn, it's nice, however I'll continue to stay in the Radisson Blu, the breakfast is much better plus I always get an upgraded room there.

Interesting titbit, when Gardermoen was built the government in it eforts to cut costs decided to built the terminal 4m narrower than originally planned, so they lost nearly 3300sqm of space in the main level, plus whatever space above and below.


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
And they will close 8-10 of the existing gates

How have you come to this conclusion ?

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
OSL is my favourite airport, however I think this new design is a terrible mistake, I favor the original design for expansion, the midfield satellite terminal, they even built the tunnel to the site where this terminal would have been located when they built OSL. I think this new addition will not give the additional capacity required, plus it will make it more difficult to build another terminal in the future.

Agreed  


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2752 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4160 times:

First of all, it is nice to see that finally OSL will get the much needed expansion!   

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 2):
Unfortunetly they have been slow at deciding this. They should have started building along time ago in my opinion. By 2017 the new terminal with the new additions will most likely already be to small again...



It is very unfortunate. IIRC the government was reluctant to do anything because originally it should have been approved in the beginning of the financial crisis, were the passenger loads for the first time started to fall at OSL. Historically though airports are always built with conservative growth rate in mind, and even with OSL the government did not see this kind of growth rate. Since they delayed this decision we now have a project that is twice as expensive as it would have been three years ago, and it might endanger OSL good performance since the gates will be crowded for the next 6 years.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 3):
I'd say that depends alot of the future of DY, and also somewhat on the future of SK.



I would say that the Norwegian economy be a much bigger factor. As long as it is growing we will continue to fly more. If one airline fail, it would of course be a vacuum for some time, but there are many airlines that would fill the gap.

Quoting cedars747 (Reply 4):
I know,Gardermoen is growing very fast,and by 2017 they will need to build another wing.But the area around is ok for an expansion



   There is a large area surrounding OSL that cannot be used for anything else than expanding the airport. So OSL has the possibility to become a super HUB so to speak. That would be good for our economy, but would the Norwegian government allow this?

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 5):
I am a little bit disappointed with the design. I think it would be much better to build a parallel satellite building. If the satellite building was as long as the current terminal it could add a lot more terminal space. OSL might not need all that space immediately, but a satellite building can always be completed in stages.



   I am a very disappointed about this as well. 50 years from now everyone will complain about this terminal complicating further expansion.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
And they will close 8-10 of the existing gates



I wonder how they will solve this. They have to close some gates when they start building the new terminal. It will make the rest of the gates more crowded for the next six years. If the parallell satelite had been built, we would not have this kind of problem. When finished the net gain from today will be 11 more gates.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
I think this new addition will not give the additional capacity required, plus it will make it more difficult to build another terminal in the future.



  



Dream no small dream; it lacks magic. Dream large, then go make that dream real - Donald Douglas
User currently onlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3456 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4119 times:

Quoting cedars747 (Reply 1):
Not bad at all! and I hope for Gardrmoen more and more airlines such as Alitalia,Olympic,Cyprus,Iberia,Emirates,Qatar Airways Ect......

I hope OSL does attract a GCC carrier sooner than 2017 because DY is a pain to fly that long to DXB. I know Norwegians are slow but 6 years to build a terminal most are built in 3.



"I want to know the voice of God the rest is just details" --A. Einstein
User currently offlinelonghaul67 From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

I like the way the pier walkways are designed allowing for more space.
This is one of the main issues I have with OSL today, the narrow pier walkways and lack of space at the gates. At time of boarding people are forced into the already too narrow walkways creating congestion.

Also I hope they find it in their hearts to allow for more toilet capacity, the situation today is a disgrace at times.

And last but not least, it would be good if they could squeeze in a few drinking fountains with the USD 2 billion investment.


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2752 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

Quoting longhaul67 (Reply 12):
This is one of the main issues I have with OSL today, the narrow pier walkways and lack of space at the gates. At time of boarding people are forced into the already too narrow walkways creating congestion.

   Lets hope they end up that way. The original terminal was supposed to be wider than it is. It was built 4 meters to save money.



Dream no small dream; it lacks magic. Dream large, then go make that dream real - Donald Douglas
User currently offlinelonghaul67 From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 13):
Lets hope they end up that way. The original terminal was supposed to be wider than it is. It was built 4 meters to save money.

Exactly.

My fear is that we will end up the same way with the new terminal. At some point they will start to look for ways to save money. And when that happens it is always the space that does not generate direct revenue (walkways, gates, toilets) that will lose out.
I highly doubt that the spacious duty free store they plan for will be reduced with as much as a sq cm!


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7410 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 9):
How have you come to this conclusion ?
http://www.osl.no/tridionimages/Luftperspektiv_forprosjekt_Fase1_BOS_tcm181-124564.jpg

If you look at this render you can see where the checkin expands into the domestic side of the terminal, approx 4 gates opposite the Radisson hotel will be closed. Looking at where the new pier will attach to the existing terminal the gates immediately after passing through security will be lost.

See overhead image of the existing terminal.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/cityq/Projects%20and%20developments/Gardermoen2005.jpg

What's also interesting in the image in the airport developement site it appears that the new pier is shorter than the earlier released version of the same image, you can even see where they haven't erased part of a gate.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/cityq/Projects%20and%20developments/Oversiktstegning_tcm181-82771small.jpg

There was also another version of the design which I think looks better, see below.

http://i50.tinypic.com/24eq68k.jpg
.


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

Fase 2 of the project that includes further ezpansion up to 35 million passengers pr. year, is far intomthe future and could possibly be a reality around 2023.

35 million pasengers is considered to be the maximum traffic capacity todays current 2 runways are bale to handle. Should the airport need even further expansion, a third runway will be needed.

Article in Norwegian:

http://www.hangar.no/index.php/permalink/49287.html


User currently offlinecalibansa333 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

Exciting news! OSL is a great airport to fly through. Looking forward to seeing the new expansion completed!

User currently offlineSAS-A321 From Denmark, joined Mar 2002, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

Hopefully they will change their transfer system of passengers. I arrived from Copenhagen to connect to Keflavik and I had to go through security again. Yes we Danes are dangerous! I actually had to wait till the security personel gathered up and they looked like they could not be bothered. In fact the whole security area for transfer pax is a joke.
In Copenhagen you can connect with any flight you want without going through another security check. I don't know why Norwegians don't thrust other countries.

[Edited 2011-01-23 15:43:51]


It's Scandinavian
User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 15):
There was also another version of the design which I think looks better, see below.

Now I'm really dissappointed, that larger pier would look better and it would be needed. Wow, not good OSL.

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 15):
There was also another version of the design which I think looks better, see below.
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 19):
Now I'm really dissappointed, that larger pier would look better and it would be needed. Wow, not good OSL.

The pier looks the same to me. I know it seems longer in one of the pictures, but I think it's the same size.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7410 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 20):
The pier looks the same to me. I know it seems longer in one of the pictures, but I think it's the same size.

Take another look and count the gates, the longer pier has at least 8 more.


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1728 times:

We can now look forward to the first installment of the new build to be finished around 2017. However, if they go ahead with an expansion to 35 million passengers , what are the possibilities after that ? Are there any ground left ? As mentioned before, if they go ahead with the second installment of the build in the next decade and get a third runway, will there also be room to build an even bigger terminal ?

35 million passengers are a massive thing for ma small city like Oslo and Norway as a whole...


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1522 times:



1: Todays terminal

2: New adittional terminal ( 2017 )

3: New pier ( 2017 )

4: Should fase 2 of the build be approved ( 35 million passengers ) the pier will be extended with an adittional 8 bridges ( 2023 )


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