MCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 521 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2793 times:
Well depends on what you consider Low Cost? FlyBe do JER-LGW, JER-SEN (which isn't really London, I know), and Aurigny fly JER-STN. The only airports missing are LHR and LCY.
Giancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1271 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2617 times:
Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 1): Well depends on what you consider Low Cost? FlyBe do JER-LGW, JER-SEN (which isn't really London, I know), and Aurigny fly JER-STN. The only airports missing are LHR and LCY.
willd From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 197 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2498 times:
Quoting Feroze (Reply 2): For the record, Jersey is not part of the UK; it is a British Crown Dependency.
Lol- what does that have to do with the topic? Did someone suggest it was part of the UK?!
For the record its a bit of a grey area. As statute defines the United Kingdom as including both Jersey and the IOM; military support is provided by the UK and IIRC it belongs to the COmmon Travel Area as well.
Yes I think there is too much competition on the ex-LON market, but also:
- JER airport has restrictions on flight times
- The fog problem often throws flight operations well off schedule at certain times of the year
- Jersey are protective to Aurigny, so probably arent too keen on LCC competition for them
Quoting Feroze (Reply 2): For the record, Jersey is not part of the UK; it is a British Crown Dependency.
vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3644 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2294 times:
Quoting LX138 (Reply 5): - Jersey are protective to Aurigny, so probably arent too keen on LCC competition for them
Why would they be protective? Aurigny is owned by the States of Guernsey and has always focused its operation on Guernsey. The only fly to STN and GCI from Jersey.
LX138 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 349 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2252 times:
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 6): Why would they be protective?
They are, I worked with a client who did freight between here and JER and because some of that freight was 'essential products' for the islands economy we were always advised to use Aurigny, in fact the business travel was usually restricted to them too. I dont think they want the yields affected by LCC flights either.
JER757 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 350 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1984 times:
Ah good old JER! My responses:
Quoting LX138 (Reply 5): Jersey are protective to Aurigny, so probably arent too keen on LCC competition for them
Not particularly. GR's hub is GCI. Out of JER they only operate to GCI and STN (once daily). Up until about 5-6 years ago GR were far more active in JER with regular flights to ACI, northern France and the UK. The arrival of the hugely competitive and clever Blue Islands, has forced GR to axe all of these services.
Quoting LX138 (Reply 5): JER airport has restrictions on flight times
0700-2100 isn't hugely restrictive, plenty of time throughout the day to operate many services! However it does get extremely pricey if you have to keep the airport open past 2100.
The JER-LON market is interesting. BA operate 5 daily 737-400s to LGW and the route does extremely well. Many locals are very loyal to BA, with thousands making regular business trips to the UK (with some even commuting almost daily), Exec Club points can rack up pretty quickly. BE operate 6 services to LGW and seem to hold their own pretty well, although they carry much more of the leisure traffic. With GR's daily STN, it gives about 1400 daily seats in each direction to LON... Not bad for population of only 90,000. (BE's LTN service is only 3xweekly).
In terms of failed carriers JER-LON:
- U2 started a daily LTN at about the same time they started LPL to much fanfare. The route lasted approx 1-2 years IIRC.
- BD operated LHR 2xdaily for a couple of years with a significant subsidy from Jersey's government. Even so they couldn't make a profit and they disappeared.
- A small outfit called Atlantic Express served STN 2xdaily around 2006-2007(ish). Despite a positive launch, they again couldn't make it work.
- VG operated daily LCY services, and even went up to 3x daily with based aircraft and crew for a while. The recession put pay to them, and many of their other ex-LCY services.
- KL City Hopper operated JER-GCI-STN many many years ago.
Quoting Heathrow757 (Thread starter): Also anyone know why other low cost carriers don't fly there, the cheapest flight from the London area is about £80 return.
Remember JER is a relatively small catchment (c.90,000). U2 do well to the relatively underserved north of England, but everywhere else in the South is well covered by BE. JER has a relatively short runway, preventing 737-800s operating (therefore FR) in all but the nicest of weather.
WW operate MAN and EMA, and have in the past done CWL (cancelled only a few weeks back), BHX and MME.
Air Southwest (not really an LCC) operate JER-GCI-PLH (no more BRS), but with with things slightly up in the air with the Eastern merger, whether they will continue to frequent our golden shores is questionable.
Blue Islands (not really LCC either) have expanded hugely over the past few years, now operating to GCI, mainland UK, IOM, and GVA/ZRH
Jet2 operate seasonally to LBA and BFS but the demand isn't really there during the winter.
Quoting Heathrow757 (Thread starter): Also anyone know why other low cost carriers don't fly there, the cheapest flight from the London area is about £80 return.
Getting off JER is relatively pricey, BE do a good job of ripping people off for example. But for many getting off the rock is an essential (or you'd go a little bit loopy), and those are the prices that the market supports!
mozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2035 posts, RR: 14 Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1865 times:
Why doesn't BA fly to LHR? Surely if people on Jersey are so loyal to BA they could fill some feeder traffic into LHR, no? Actually quite interesting to see how JER is not very well linked to important hubs from where people cold fly onward to other destinations.
I've also wondered why they don't have this flight. I happen to have a cousin who flies to Jersey from AKL (on QF/BA) about twice a year and one of his pet peeves it that he has to connect from LHR to LGW to connect on to a flight to Jersey.
I'm no expert on JER but I wonder why BA can't operate move maybe 2 of their 5 LGW frequencies to LHR which can be used for onward connections to other destinations. I guess the biggest problem is slots at LHR but I think they should be able to fit a couple of flights to JER into their schedule at LHR.
vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3644 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1810 times:
Quite simple: Slots at LHR are so scarce that BA does not want to waste them for JER flights - as JER passengers have no choice anyway as JER is not linked to another alliance's hub with flights that offer reasonable connectivity. Probably the relatively high percentage of local traffic also comes into play.
LHR flights - or rather the lack of them - has been a big issue on the CI for the past 20 years. There has been a famous court case in which the States of Guernsey went to court over KLM uk transfering LHR slots previously used for GCI flights to another airline. They tried to block this slot trade to make sure that GCI kept its LHR flights. After the slot trade, KLM uk then began the above-mentioned flights from STN to JER and GCI.
yxd172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 433 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1606 times:
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 11):
I'd like to try the Trislander once. How much is a return trip (from Brittany if possible)
Only route is from Dinard to Guernsey by Aurigny. Return flight is 94 GBP.
So does Aurigny use the ATR on the GCI-JER run? I'm booked on that and was hoping to get the Trislander (since they didn't put the seat map up like they did for the STN-GCI flight and it's such a short route)
If that's the only option, you can also take one of the Joey flights from GCI, looks like a short island tour for 30 pounds on the Trislander that'll run most weekends this spring.
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vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3644 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1586 times:
No no, I was referring to flights from France to the Channel Islands as Aesma is French and was inquiring about flights from Brittany. The GCI-JER runs are also done by Trislanders. They are not terribly well booked in these days as Blue Islands offers a somewhat superior product on the route. I took a Tris flight a couple of months ago and there were only 3 pax on the flight including me.
02hilliert From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 470 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1572 times:
Quoting yxd172 (Reply 16): So does Aurigny use the ATR on the GCI-JER run? I'm booked on that and was hoping to get the Trislander (since they didn't put the seat map up like they did for the STN-GCI flight and it's such a short route)
It's very rare that the Aurigny ATR features on the GCI-JER route. The STN-JER route is part of a "W patter" with GCI-STN I believe.
GCI-JER is Trislander only with Aurigny whilst Blue Islands often use Jetstream 32s or their ATR42 on the route.
Bennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 6391 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1391 times:
There are also flights to Staverton with Manx2 Do228's.
JER757 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 350 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1256 times:
Quoting mozart (Reply 12): Why doesn't BA fly to LHR? Surely if people on Jersey are so loyal to BA they could fill some feeder traffic into LHR, no? Actually quite interesting to see how JER is not very well linked to important hubs from where people cold fly onward to other destinations.
Several reasons. I forgot to mention in my post above that BA operated LHR up until 2001 (I think), along with LGW. BD tried it again a few years back, but BA/BE still caned them on the figures.
There is a large amount of connecting traffic going JER-LGW-LHR-XXX. Whilst that trip around the M25 is hugely unpopular there is no other way to do it if you want to fly out of LHR. The majority of regular BA pax would rather make their way around to LHR after landing in LGW, even though VS and others operate to the same destinations out of LGW.
At the end of the day if BA can carry the same passengers more profitably to LGW, why should they bother with expensive, slot restricted LHR? If there was a decent connection to another hub (worth mentioning that BE tried CDG and failed), perhaps BA might sit up and look more seriously at JER-LHR again.
BUT having said that... I do believe we'll see BA make movement on the JER-LON market over the next few years. With LGW becoming more and more leisure orientated I think movement into LHR is a possibility, but it would need to be at least 4 x daily to keep the business passengers happy... Obviously aircraft and slots would need to be procured.
However, as mentioned in many forums/threads, it really wouldn't surprise me if BACF were at least evaluating a JER-LCY operation. Although VG ultimately dropped their service, they stuck at it for a long time, showing money must be there to be made. Add in the "Points mean Prizes" BA Exec Club members; and I believe they'll make a killing.
yxd172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 433 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1181 times:
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 17): No no, I was referring to flights from France to the Channel Islands as Aesma is French and was inquiring about flights from Brittany. The GCI-JER runs are also done by Trislanders. They are not terribly well booked in these days as Blue Islands offers a somewhat superior product on the route. I took a Tris flight a couple of months ago and there were only 3 pax on the flight including me.
Sorry about that, wasn't paying much attention...
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