av8ajet From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1200 posts, RR: 1 Posted (1 year 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10902 times:
Skywest will purchase the 5 remaining CR7's from Horizon Air and then will fly these for Alaska Airlines this summer. They will be repainted with an Alaska Airlines paintjob but flown by Skywest airlines.
bmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1517 posts, RR: 13 Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10881 times:
Quoting av8ajet (Thread starter): Skywest will purchase the 5 remaining CR7's from Horizon Air and then will fly these for Alaska Airlines this summer. They will be repainted with an Alaska Airlines paintjob but flown by Skywest airlines.
Do we know which ones these are, as there's still about 12 active ain't there?
ASMVPGOLD From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 43 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10407 times:
Why has QX been so eagar to get rid of the CRJ's? Is it simply to have a 1 aircraft type fleet? I understand if so.. but if it leaves you (and AS) without planes to meet some routes then why ditch them?
kingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1239 posts, RR: 21 Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10088 times:
Quoting ASMVPGOLD (Reply 6): Why has QX been so eagar to get rid of the CRJ's?
I would guess fleet simplification and lower costs associated with one a/c type. I guess I would phrase your question "Why has AS been so eager, and not QX?" AS can now do exactly what they're doing by contracting out the CR7 flying. QX doesn't need to operate every possible a/c type for every type of possible mission with so many regionals out there waiving their hands in the air like they just don't care. OO has a huge fleet of CR7's and do a darn good job operating them. It just makes financial sense to farm out the CR7 flying instead of operating a small sub fleet.
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ah414211 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 203 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9912 times:
Saw this on another site...it may answer some of the questions people are asking....
Alaska Air Group announced today that Alaska Airlines has reached an initial agreement for SkyWest Airlines to acquire the five remaining CRJ-700s in Horizon Air’s fleet and operate them under a capacity purchase agreement. Alaska also announced it is considering the deployment of Horizon Q400s on some state of Alaska routes.
Andrew Harrison, vice president of planning and revenue management, and Joe Sprague, vice president of marketing, answer questions related to these two moves.
Why is Alaska entering into a CPA with SkyWest?
Harrison: Horizon’s financial success depends on its transition to an all-Q400 fleet so it can reap benefits equivalent to what Alaska gained from its own transition to the Boeing 737. That leaves a few longer routes that, for competitive and economic reasons, we need to keep serving with regional jets. SkyWest will fill that need.
Why is SkyWest flying these routes instead of Horizon?
Sprague: Horizon will not be able to capture the economies of a single fleet until all of its CRJ-700s are gone. In addition, with hundreds of regional jets in its fleet contracted to fly for numerous other customers in similar CPA arrangements, SkyWest has economies of scale that Horizon cannot match.
What will be the livery on the SkyWest CRJ-700s flown for Alaska?
Sprague: These SkyWest CRJ-700s will likely sport a version of the Alaska livery. A final decision on this is expected shortly.
Many of our competitors offer a first class cabin on their regional airline partners. Will there be a first class on these SkyWest-operated Alaska flights?
Sprague: Some the majors offer first class on their regional partners as a way to attract very lucrative international business and first class passenger connections. The vast majority of our customers on these SkyWest-operated routes are traveling domestic point-to-point and are very price sensitive. Our experience is that relatively few customers purchase first class seats on our short routes. We believe we’ll gain more revenue by having more seats in a single-class configuration, lowering our per-seat cost and allowing us to remain competitive with the likes of single-class competitors like Southwest and JetBlue.
Will SkyWest offer complimentary Northwest wines and microbrews like Horizon?
Sprague: Yes. This enhances the inflight experience for all customers, including those who would have preferred a first class cabin had it been available.
BoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 1057 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9898 times:
Quoting globalflyer (Reply 4): According to the press release no routes announced yet.
Where has this news been officially announced? I can't find any press release under AS or DL news on Yahoo. I don't necessarily doubt it - it seems very reasonable - but don't see any official verification of it.
USXguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 646 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9775 times:
Do the QX Q400s have HUD's and RNP capabilities? We get near zero visibility & high winds / low ceilings here in Southeast AK on a consistent basis.
Here are a few photos - the 1st one had the airport "closed" for a few hours as the first 1000 feet of the runway was in that fog bank. Even though the other 7000 feet or so of the airport, including ASOS, reported 20 miles of visibility....
can you spot the Alaska Air 737-400??
And here's the Chelton Capstone system on a Wings of Alaska Caravan that technically allows for almost zero-zero ops (as long as the plane is IFR certified)
and here's what capstone looks like for airline dispatch and air traffic controllers (their platform gives you a bit more information)
xpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 603 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9771 times:
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13): Where has this news been officially announced? I can't find any press release under AS or DL news on Yahoo. I don't necessarily doubt it - it seems very reasonable - but don't see any official verification of it.
Not sure when it will be in the PR channels, but it's in our employee news as official at the SkyWest employee website (maintained by SkyWest).
OOSLC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 164 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 weeks ago) and read 9734 times:
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13): Where has this news been officially announced? I can't find any press release under AS or DL news on Yahoo. I don't necessarily doubt it - it seems very reasonable - but don't see any official verification of it.
Yeah I meant our employee website. Hopefully soon it'll be out on the main press.
junction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 weeks ago) and read 9692 times:
Quoting ah414211 (Reply 12): Sprague: These SkyWest CRJ-700s will likely sport a version of the Alaska livery. A final decision on this is expected shortly.
This means Eskimo the on the tail of all DH4/CR7 in the fleet?
Acey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 weeks ago) and read 9601 times:
Quoting USXguy (Reply 14): Do the QX Q400s have HUD's and RNP capabilities?
They have HUDs and I assume they're RNP certified. They're also single-engine CATIII certified as well, and I believe they're the first US turboprop operator to have done so. Correct me if I have that wrong.
bhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 315 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 weeks ago) and read 9508 times:
From Skywestonline employee website:
SkyWest team,
Today we are excited to announce a new agreement with Alaska Airlines for contract flying on the West Coast with five CRJ700 aircraft. The deal is a capacity purchase agreement, meaning the flights will be fee-per-departure, and provides everything we’re looking for to ensure the SkyWest team is taken care of: organic growth, strong partners and additional upgrade and growth opportunities for our people.
We anticipate the flying will begin in May, and the routes, likely in the Pacific Northwest, will be announced in the coming weeks. As many of you are aware, Alaska is moving their Horizon operations to all Q400 flying, but there is still a strong economic demand for the CRJ700 in certain areas of Alaska’s system. Given our operational credibility and experience, as well as our efficient economics, SkyWest is able to fill this demand. Additionally, we are pleased to join forces with a strong airline that shares a similar culture and commitment to service.
I know you’ll have many questions about the details of our partnership, the flying and our plans prior to May’s launch. Our operational teams will immediately begin preparations to receive the aircraft and begin service, and we’ll certainly keep you informed every step of the way. In the meantime, please read the Q&A below and watch SkyWest Online for the latest information.
There’s work to be done, and we’re excited about the potential of this new opportunity for SkyWest!
n7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1303 posts, RR: 14 Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 weeks ago) and read 9479 times:
Quoting av8ajet (Thread starter): Skywest will purchase the 5 remaining CR7's from Horizon Air
To be specific, no, SkyWest is not buying the aircraft - they are being leased from Horizon to SkyWest. Per the agreement spelled out in the SEC filings the CPA between AS and OO matches the length of time remaining on the CR7's leases. So, technically, the planes will be sub-leased to OO. Horizon only owns two its CR7's.
flashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2741 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9079 times:
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 11609 posts, RR: 68 Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8826 times:
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 23): I think it's too bad for such a well-known northwest regioin brand to go away, but I guess they know what they are doing.
It simply costs too much to maintain and promote two separate brands, that's all.
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25 BoeingGuy: Understood. But it's still a shame. I guess this is a heck of a lot better than AS/QX planes being painted with a widget or stainless steel fuselages
26 WhatUsaid: I agree. QX is already moving the Q's into FAT, so why would they bring back the 700's once the transition is made? SBA is something of a question ma
27 BoeingGuy: It would be much more uncomfortable to spend 3 hours driving over Pacheco Pass (aka "Blood Alley") to get to SJC to fly a 737 in my opinion. I'd just
28 WESTERN737800: [quote=EA CO AS,reply=24]It simply costs too much to maintain and promote two separate brands, that's all. I hope they will still use the Horizon cal
29 sxf24: How is a CR7 any better than a DH4 on SEA-FAT?
30 BoeingGuy: Slightly faster, reclining seats, running water in the can, quieter in some sections. But I'll just take the non-stop and be happy I don't like have
31 WhatUsaid: How is the 700 better? The QX Q? Ugh. Better pitch, wider seats, not as loud, and doesn't bounce around on approach to FAT on a hot summer day. I fle
32 timf: Of course the will. Horizon Air isn't going anywhere - they are just switching to emphasizing the mainline airline brand as is the case with all othe
34 cschleic: Most PDX - OAK flights have been switched to Dash-8's already. Ugh. I wonder if they're setting up Horizon to ultimately sell it to...say...a Skywest
35 ah414211: Being that FAT is a Maintenance Base for SkyWest, I would be surprised if at least 1 flight to FAT wasn't a SkyWest flight just for the purpose of ge
36 WhatUsaid: That is exactly what was in the June schedule a few days ago...
37 sxf24: That question has been repeatedly asked and unequivocally answered, "no."
38 Airport: Agreed. SkyWest has expressed zero interest in returning to turboprop flying (they're currently getting rid of all their E-120s), and QX is looking t
39 Goldenshield: As long as they can keep getting sweet deal on their leases, they aren't going away. They've been working on being "prop-free" for 10 years now.
40 QXatFAT: My company is based here in Fresno and we travel frequently (at least once to twice a week) between us and our facility right outside of Portland, OR
41 apodino: I got a text today from my buddy who is a 120 Cpt at OO. He said that OO is quickly becoming the new Mesa. This is a case of the rich getting richer.
42 Airport: Whatever the intent was, it's a pretty bitter slap in the face for QX. Take the jobs, and the pride of the fleet and put it into the hands of their ma
43 SuperDash: With only 5 birds and 4 LGB flights planned for summer....it will only be LGB (2 planes), ONT and BUR as ONT/BUR takes 3 planes to operate the schedu
44 hatbutton: $22.8m profit? QX only had a $7.6m pre-tax profit for 2010. Pre-tax being the key point. A year in which AS posted record profits as a nearly 80 year
45 hatbutton: I don't think there's any way SEA-SBA will be done on a Q400. It will most likely go to OO or be cut altogether.
46 SuperDash: My pick....SBA part of the history books. Hey Hat, not to pick on you cuz you usually have good insight, but the "Brand" had nothing to do with these
47 Airport: All I can say is, you can make a pizza so cheap that nobody will want it. The regional airline industry is just a race to the bottom. I had hope that
48 deltal1011man: All the E20 opps for DCI that OO does is at risk and can be done with CRJs. DL doesn't really control it, just puts the DCI name on it. OO takes are
49 DTWAGENT: If Skywest bough these CRJ-700's and they are flying them as a DL Connection carrier. Then they will have First class add to them. Because DL has stat
50 Goldenshield: The 4 QX birds that are going to DLC ops are being redone to DLC specs. The birds being bought for use for AS are going to be left as-is (minus the i
51 cschleic: SNA is mainline to both SEA and PDX. Is that going to change?
52 hatbutton: I agree with #1. When you go into markets that have little service to begin with, if they don't succeed quickly then they won't ever succeed in my op
53 Caspian27: Two things: You're description of QX from 10 years ago, sounds just like the OO of 10 years ago. Why are the advancement hopes of QX pilots tied to t
54 peanuts: There is a big world outside of the beautiful Pacific Northwest. All I'm seeing in this thread is this: a bride's preparation before marriage...event
55 n7371f: I'm told from the DL side that SkyWest's CR7 ops are maxed out. No slack. Now once they get an additional (4) CR7's just for DL Connx, that might cha
56 USAIRWAYS321: And I will disagree with you. Customers in Horizon's footprint are largely familiar with the Q400. They don't "avoid props like the plague." I often
57 hatbutton: My point was that a lot of people hate props. But in the end they always vote on price. Which is why I highly doubt people flying from BIL-ANC will c
59 hatbutton: That's fine, but until something changes....there is no reason to assume it will or assume people will change their flying patterns if what they real
60 FlyASAGuy2005: Delta's contract does not allow this. All CR7s and 9s that fly under the DCI banner is just that, for DCI. OO cannot use a spare DCI CR7 and fly it f
61 USAIRWAYS321: There certainly is reason to assume it will go away. If one of the driving forces behind the rebranding is that customers are too stupid or uninforme
62 Tomassjc: I have always wished that the free pour beer and wine would come over to the AS side to make it consistent. Agreed. Mr. Code Share Joe going from SJC
63 BoeingGuy: Yeah, of course Joe would have an easier time if AA hadn't dropped their SJC-JFK flights, which is probably what Mr. Non-Stop Joe was expecting. I he
64 peanuts: Does this say anything about the passengers or more about the airlines' lack of information/disclosure? A bit of both maybe? I thought disclosure was
65 USAIRWAYS321: I think it's both. When you book a codeshare ticket, they do clearly state the operating carrier for the routing. For instance, if you booked a US Ai
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