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Thomas Cook Order 12 A321s  
User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10852 times:

More good news for Airbus

FI reports: Thomas Cook firms order for 12 A321s

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...cook-firms-order-for-12-a321s.html

This is the confirmation of the MOU placed in December 2010

Flightglobal: Thomas Cook Sign A321 MOU (by AIH757 Dec 1 2010 in Civil Aviation)

29 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10686 times:

Some additional info:

In January Airbus now has 73 net orders, compromising of 35 A320's, 20 A321's, 12 A333's and 6 A388's.
There were also 15 known cancellations .. or rather conversions .. of A319's into A320 by EasyJet.

In fact ... the order of 35 A320's, including the conversion of 15 A319, seemed to have missed our attention.
At least I could not find it in A-net

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...irbus-a320-aircraft/news-browse/1/

Anyway ... a fantastic start of 2011 to backup the awesome end of 2010 for Airbus.
Now is only IndiGo will firm up those 180 A320NEO's.
  


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10575 times:

Very good news indeed! Congrats to Thomac Cook and Airbus. I understand that these will be for the U.K. part of Thomas Cook.

Nice looking with the winglets  

No engine choice has mentioned in that article. Anyone know if it has been announced. A delivery in 2014 means these planes will not be neo planes.

Anyone knows if these planes will be solely for expansion or as a replacement for other airplanes?

Thomas Cook UK has about 34 airplanes.

10 A320
4 A321
6 A332
9 B752
2 B753
3 B763

Thomas Cook Belgium has the following fleet:

7 A320

Thomas Cook Scandinavia has the following fleet:

2 A320
6 A321
1 A332
3 A333

On a sidenote, does anyone know what their firm plans are for their future fleet? Their average age is:

UK - 12.3 years
Belgium - 11,9 years
Scandinavia - 8.5 years



Dream no small dream; it lacks magic. Dream large, then go make that dream real - Donald Douglas
User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10521 times:

Cool.. Good news for airbus! So are these going to be painted as Thomas cook, TUI, TUIFLY, THomsonfly, Thomson, Thomascookfly, Fly the cook fly.. or .. what?

User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 639 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10400 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 3):

Cool.. Good news for airbus! So are these going to be painted as Thomas cook, TUI, TUIFLY, THomsonfly, Thomson, Thomascookfly, Fly the cook fly.. or .. what?

Thomson/TUi do not own/are not affiliated with Thomas Cook.... TCX is a seperate company/airline/travel agent altogether. So they will be in Thomas Cook colours...



Roger roger, what's our vector, victor?
User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10352 times:

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 4):
Thomson/TUi do not own/are not affiliated with Thomas Cook.... TCX is a seperate company/airline/travel agent altogether. So they will be in Thomas Cook colours...

Ah? Im now so very confused.. Thanks for the heads up..

Who did Thomas Cook merge with.. Mytravel? Thomson formerly Britannia is now part of TUIFLY? First Choice is now part of TUI?


User currently offlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 634 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10240 times:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUI_AG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cook_Group


User currently offlinebAe146TOM From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 228 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10153 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 2):

hey!

They are to replace the aging 757s which are due to return to lessors.

Tom


User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10140 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 5):
Who did Thomas

Cook merge with.. Mytravel? Thomson formerly Britannia is now part of TUIFLY? First Choice is now part of TUI?


1. Thomas Cook UK has mergend with Mytravel.

2. Thomson is part of TUI Travel PLC.

3. First Choice is a part of Thomson Airways.

 


User currently offlineplanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 815 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10079 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 5):

Who did Thomas Cook merge with.. Mytravel? Thomson formerly Britannia is now part of TUIFLY? First Choice is now part of TUI?

Flying Colours (+Airworld) + Caledonia Airways = JMC Airlines + MyTravel Airways (Airtours International + Inter European Airways + Premiair) = Thomas Cook Airlines.

Euravia = Britannia Airways + Orion Airways = Thomsonfly + First Choice Airways (Air 2000 + Leisure International Airways = Thomson Airways.


User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10031 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 2):
Very good news indeed! Congrats to Thomac Cook and Airbus. I understand that these will be for the U.K. part of Thomas Cook.

You missed the german part of Thomas Cook: Condor!


Fleet:

B763: 9
B753: 13
A320: 12


As far as i know, all B753s and A320s will be replaced by a new order for A321s and A320s.
That was announced in dec 2010.

So, i t is not clear, if a part of the 12 A321s are for Condor already.


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2552 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9867 times:

753's are a rare sight in Europe and it will be sad to see them go...
I can imagine the fleet being structured around A32x and A33x, probably A32xNEO's in the future.
But A321's are effectively a capacity downgrade from the 753, so I assume these routes would be replaced by A332's? Or A321's with higher frequencies?


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2687 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9770 times:

Quoting bAe146TOM (Reply 7):
They are to replace the aging 757s which are due to return to lessors.

Thanks!   

Quoting 328JET (Reply 10):
You missed the german part of Thomas Cook: Condor!

I was not sure if they where owned by the same company, so I did not put them in.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 11):
753's are a rare sight in Europe and it will be sad to see them go...

I agree  This will leav us with only Icelandair with their service. Still the 757-300 still has much life in it. When it entered service it was the narrowbody plane with the lowest CASM.



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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9673 times:

Thanks for the enlightenment guys.

Quoting planesailing (Reply 9):
Flying Colours (+Airworld) + Caledonia Airways = JMC Airlines + MyTravel Airways (Airtours International + Inter European Airways + Premiair) = Thomas Cook Airlines.

Euravia = Britannia Airways + Orion Airways = Thomsonfly + First Choice Airways (Air 2000 + Leisure International Airways = Thomson Airways.

lol^ just wow.


User currently offlineAAMDanny From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9478 times:

Good news for Airbus but I wonder if there will be a further order for more aircraft? Or are they planning a strategic downgrade within their fleet?

Quoting r2rho (Reply 11):
But A321's are effectively a capacity downgrade from the 753, so I assume these routes would be replaced by A332's?

Well their has been rife roumers around TCX that some of their A332's are heading over to Air Transat, (G-OJMB, MC & -TCXA) not too sure if this is for good, or if it is just a winter lease. (It is currently also listed on Jethros which is a pretty reliable source) leaving the original MyTravel & MyTravel A/S A330 fleet of A332's & A333's.

Looks like x2 B757-200's will be joining the MT fleet this summer, G-TCBB & G-TCBC, both coming from China Southern.

Source: http://jethros.eu/fleets/fleet_listings/thomas_cook_airlines_uk.htm

The Lithuanian airline they used last summer (Aurela Airlines) will not be leasing B757's to the airline as they appear to have got rid of their B757 fleet however it's roumered that they will be sending some of their B733's for extra peak season flights.


User currently offlineairsmiles From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7502 times:

I'm pretty sure the new A321's are for the UK only replacing mainly the 9 B752's and 2 B753's, with a few older A320's going. The Condor B753's aren't affected to the best of my knowledge. It's probably slightly academic because by 2014 trading conditions may be different and the exact fleet mix may need tweeking a bit.

As a personal thought only, I would have thought the 2 UK B753's would go to Condor and UK would eventually only see A321's with no A320's. As the younger Condor B753's come up for replacement, a second order might be for the A321neo? That might not help their standardisation program though.


User currently offlineplanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 815 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

Quoting airsmiles (Reply 15):
I'm pretty sure the new A321's are for the UK only replacing mainly the 9 B752's and 2 B753's, with a few older A320's going.

Mathematically would pretty much make sense. Will also see a slight decline in available seats.

Quoting airsmiles (Reply 15):
As a personal thought only, I would have thought the 2 UK B753's would go to Condor

Financially I would think it would make sense to ship them over to Condor, the second hand market is extremely limited for these aircraft. CO have picked up 2nd hand examples in the past, but that was prior to the UA merger. How keep is DL on this sub-type. That would probably be the only other option.

Quoting airsmiles (Reply 15):
As the younger Condor B753's come up for replacement, a second order might be for the A321neo? That might not help their standardisation program though.

The 753 will be a hard aircraft to replace. Do you up the frequency to replace the seats lost, but then would the route warrant that? Or are IT operations in such a decline that the loss of seats would make that much of a difference, but affect yields in a positive manner.

The only other option would probably be a 787, would the weight difference warrant the upscale.


User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6499 times:

Engine selection confirmed as CFM56-5B

User currently offlineabibus From Mexico, joined Dec 2010, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

Nice to see more orders for airbus and thomas cook, but i really think they should start to think about a replacement for the old 763 they fly. Thomas Cook Germany "Condor" fly 9 of them and they are very old. Any info about it???

User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 639 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Quoting abibus (Reply 18):
Nice to see more orders for airbus and thomas cook, but i really think they should start to think about a replacement for the old 763 they fly. Thomas Cook Germany "Condor" fly 9 of them and they are very old. Any info about it???


Well they're moving the 767s to long haul now, so I'd guess they'll be replaced by A350s once the inevitable order comes...



Roger roger, what's our vector, victor?
User currently offlinejmc777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4171 times:

Hi All,

None of the B763's are scheduled to operate any LH during the forthcoming summer except to step in when the A330's are not running, although they have continue to be employed on Ad-Hoc work during the winter and this will continue.

3 x B763
2 x B753

Will be refurbished this winter with new IFE (B763 only) and new seats prior to the summer season. All 3 B763's now have winglets and the B753's will have winglets fitted before the summer.

Regards

 


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4084 times:

Thomas Cook group have made public their intention to renew their entire narrowbody fleet and standardise it on Airbus.
In addition to this order of 12 they have taken out new leases for 24 Airbus 320 family planes.

This order is said to be the first and another order is said to be coming from Condor.

An announcement on what plane that will replace the B767 will come sometimes during 2011. Most people seem to think they will choose the A330 as the 767 successor.
We shall see.



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User currently offlinedazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2860 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 21):
An announcement on what plane that will replace the B767 will come sometimes during 2011. Most people seem to think they will choose the A330 as the 767 successor.

Even though G-TCXA, G-OJMB & G-OJMC are being returned to the lessor in November 2011, with XA & MB going on to Air Transat? It wouldn't make sence to me to return them to the lessor to then aquire / lease 3 more to replace the 76W's.

Darren



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User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 21):
Most people seem to think they will choose the A330 as the 767 successor.

I am not sure.

The B767s are all refitted with winglets now and may be used for another 5-6 years.

My logical bet would be the A350-800 as Condor is operating the B767 on some very long routes with high pax numbers and cargo.

The B767 is operating at its limits on some sectors. The A330-200 is a bit old in 5-6 years...

The A350-800 as smaller, longrange version of the A350-900 would fit perfectly and would also allow to use the A320/321 crews after short training. This is the reason i do not see the B787 within the Thomas Cook fleets.


User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24899 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3514 times:

I'm sure TCX has more than 9 x 752s....


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
25 Post contains links planesailing : http://www.planespotters.net/Product...&type=757&fleet=5244&fleetStatus=1 This list includes 2 753's and 4 752's on lease to Jazz Air.
26 abibus : mmmm i do not think so, condor never used the newest planes, and this 763 are very very old and high used... the 332 or 333 would be perfect for them
27 PBIflyguy : I wonder if the 753's will leave the fleet and be snatched up by UA, or maybe even DL? UA ( then CO ) picked up the ex ATA birds fairly quickly. DL ha
28 timf : I don't see DL picking them up as they have Rolls Royce engines. Every other 757 in the fleet has Pratt & Whitney engines, and DL owns every P&am
29 columba : Just read in an article that was linked in a German forum that a decision for the 767 replacement will be made in the next few months
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