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TUI PLC. Ordered Two A330-300  
User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5442 times:

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...uys-two-new-airbus-a330-300s/3103/


I am happy to see that my company bought some great A333-300s for Corsair.

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User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5360 times:

Another piece of good news for Airbus.

Congratulations to them and Corsair!


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

Congrats to Corsair and Airbus!

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9822 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5225 times:

Congratulations to Airbus and Corsair. I assume these brandnew birds will be serving SXM too? Knowing Corsair these aircraft will probably be having a high density configuration?

A388


User currently offlineslz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

These 2 planes are of the new higher MTOW version (WV54), allowing a 135NM range increase (or a 1.4T payload increase).

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...weights-to-offer-longer-range.html

Another improvement to the A333, making it even more of a moving target for the 787....


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6920 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

With RR we assume...

User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5128 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
With RR we assume..

Very likely at Corsairfly!  


User currently offlineparapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1583 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4975 times:

Wow. This plane never ceases to amaze me.It just keeps on getting better and better. The payload/range of this aircraft is (and I an not American) simply Awsome.

Boeing (as they have been recently) may keep on muttering dark words about how their paper 787-10 will bury the 333.Are they so sure? And anyway what decade may that be I wonder??

Until then (and even past I think) this aircraft (and it's smaller cousin) are just going to knotch up order after order.

Went on one recently - was a great flight. Oh Airbus methinks you jumped too early with the 350.OK we don't know any test performance figures for the prototype 787/8's (which in itself I find interesting) - but they better had be good!


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4951 times:

Excellent aircraft for their mission. Well bought.

Quoting parapente (Reply 7):
Wow. This plane never ceases to amaze me.It just keeps on getting better and better.

  

That said, there's a reason they only went to 235 t and not the 238 t of the latest A332s. The A333 is hamstrung on routes over 4000ish nm by its lack of a center fuel tank. Adding all the MTOW in the world doesn't increase your range if you are fuel volume limited.

To make the A333 a true threat to the 787-9 (or 10), Airbus would need to substantially increase MTOW and add the center fuel tank.


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3590 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

Another success for the A330

It shows how well it is regarded , in that is has a full order book despite the approach of the B787 and A350


User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4890 times:

Congrats Corsair!   

So the range for the 333 HGW would be around 11.000 km?

//Mike     

[Edited 2011-01-27 05:29:41]


Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineparapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1583 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4846 times:

Reply 8
To make the A333 a true threat to the 787-9 (or 10), Airbus would need to substantially increase MTOW and add the center fuel tank.

Can they do that with the existing undercarriage? I presume not. Would be one hell of an aircraft if they could - but -if they could then I guess they would have done it by now.


User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4833 times:

They would have looked so awesome in the Corsair colours.. the bland blue not so much but still good news.

User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4802 times:

What are Airbus to call the model, -X and -E already exist. -Y perhaps?

//Mike  



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9822 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

Quoting slz396 (Reply 4):
These 2 planes are of the new higher MTOW version (WV54), allowing a 135NM range increase (or a 1.4T payload increase).
Quoting solnabo (Reply 10):
Congrats Corsair!

So the range for the 333 HGW would be around 11.000 km?

Interesting, will KL also get this new HGW version for the A333's they ordered? If so, they will probably have no problem in using this aircraft nonstop AMS-CUR with a full payload...?

A388


User currently offlineaidoair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4336 times:

Wow really shocked to see an order from the TUI group, although it makes sense for Corsairfly and it's routes, as a group I though they would have waited and moved over to the 787 as replacements.

As for the rest of the group, do you think once the 787s arrive we see them make their options into firm orders.


User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

Quoting aidoair (Reply 15):
As for the rest of the group, do you think once the 787s arrive we see them make their options into firm orders.

That is unclear in the moment.

Some people in the company see the A333-order as a trial.

If this trial is successful, we might see more orders to come.

On most routes within TUI the B787-8 has no better seat-mile-costs than the A333 and the aircraft is proven and available.


User currently offlineJack From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

Quoting aidoair (Reply 15):
Wow really shocked to see an order from the TUI group, although it makes sense for Corsairfly and it's routes, as a group I though they would have waited and moved over to the 787 as replacements.

I guess they supplement the 2 A332 they already have so not that surprising. But this could be a small hint to Boeing that they need to sort out the 788 ASAP.

If this becomes a trend for small orders from 787 customers then Boeing should be very worried as it is picking away at their future options.


User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

I don't understand it. Why do a-netters congratulate companies and buyers on purchases? If I buy something do I deserve to be congratulated? I have parted with my money, the vendor has taken it which is what they are in business to do.

Congratulations to Tesco for selling me some biscuits last week, I did a great job selecting them and eating them....


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 18):
I don't understand it. Why do a-netters congratulate companies and buyers on purchases? If I buy something do I deserve to be congratulated? I have parted with my money, the vendor has taken it which is what they are in business to do.

Most of us are either in the business or somehow affected by it. A new order is directly good for anyone in the airplane-making part of the business, and is also a hopeful sign for people in the airline industry that management sees increasing traffic and the likelihood of enough cash flow to pay for new airplanes.

So it's good news and makes us happy.


User currently offlineaidoair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

Quoting Jack (Reply 17):
I guess they supplement the 2 A332 they already have so not that surprising

Agreed and that's why I said 'it makes sense for Corsairfly ...'. What I did find surprising though, is that as far as anyone knew, the TUI group were most likely to be an all Boeing fleet. 737NG for shorthaul and eventually 787s for longhaul. (probably excluding the 744s).


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 8):
That said, there's a reason they only went to 235 t and not the 238 t of the latest A332s. The A333 is hamstrung on routes over 4000ish nm by its lack of a center fuel tank. Adding all the MTOW in the world doesn't increase your range if you are fuel volume limited.

The A333 isn't fuel volume limited when you use it on the routes where it really shines - up to ~4500NM with high payloads. They could have gone to 238t of MTOW, but the reason they stopped at 235t is that MZFW would have dropped even further, as one can conclude from the following statement in the article:

"The airframer says that design-load analysis indicates that the 2t increase is achievable if it is "compensated" by a 2t reduction in maximum zero-fuel weight, to 173t."



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineplanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

This was pending from last year.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...g-decision-expected-this-week.html

Would be nice if TOM brought in some A330's rather than wait for the never ending 787 to finally arrive! Cannot see it happening though.


User currently offlineparapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1583 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1613 times:

Reply 21.

The A333 isn't fuel volume limited when you use it on the routes where it really shines - up to ~4500NM with high payloads. They could have gone to 238t of MTOW, but the reason they stopped at 235t is that MZFW would have dropped even further, as one can conclude from the following statement in the article:

"The airframer says that design-load analysis indicates that the 2t increase is achievable if it is "compensated" by a 2t reduction in maximum zero-fuel weight, to 173t."

Thanks for that.It answers the question I feel. Indeed does this suggest that "this is it".The plane in the weight/payload/range arena is now fuly maxed out? I guess it does.

The very fact that we recently had Boeing blowing rasberries (" we will build a 787-10 (one day) and it will be better").Does tell you just how good this aircraft is up to 4,500 NM. The short/med range 77W in fact.

There is nothing in the Airbus A350 locker IMHO that can or will match the 333 at these ranges - or Boeings for the present - next 10 years?

I wonder what Airbus will do to it next? I don't think engines personally (unless there is a further PIP possible)


But as I have said before I would love to see a pair of Sharklets (and retro option) replace the present wing extensions for perhaps an extra 2% SFC reduction.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9822 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 19):
Quoting fcogafa (Reply 18):
I don't understand it. Why do a-netters congratulate companies and buyers on purchases? If I buy something do I deserve to be congratulated? I have parted with my money, the vendor has taken it which is what they are in business to do.

Most of us are either in the business or somehow affected by it. A new order is directly good for anyone in the airplane-making part of the business, and is also a hopeful sign for people in the airline industry that management sees increasing traffic and the likelihood of enough cash flow to pay for new airplanes.

So it's good news and makes us happy.

That is correct. Besides, fcogafa is comparing buying a 2 dollar biscuit with buying a multi-million dollar aircraft!!! I mean, how is this comparable to each other?

A388


User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

Quoting parapente (Reply 23):
But as I have said before I would love to see a pair of Sharklets (and retro option) replace the present wing extensions for perhaps an extra 2% SFC reduction.

This might be an option!


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