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Copa To Fly Panamá-Brasília  
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

Copa has filed a request to fly PTY-BSB before the Brazilian ANAC. The flight should operate 4x weekly effective June 14th, 2011:

CM205 12-4-6- 73G PTY 1832 BSB 0240
CM204 -23-5-7 73G BSB 0541 PTY 0948

Source: http://www.anac.gov.br/hotran/

[Edited 2011-01-28 01:25:08]

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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3272 times:

Good to see CM expanding so fast in Brazil. What's next for them? A new PTY-SSA/REC? A second PTY-GIG?


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

CM hasn't finished making the annoucements for PTY-POA and now PTY-BSB!   
IMHO, there might be an extra PTY-GIG frequency on the way and it's a question of time about CM in FOR, SSA and REC.
Sadly no CM aircraft can depart CWB bound for PTY fully loaded, so that's a Brazilian destination that would have to wait longer to be included in CM network, unless CM gets a B737-600.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2987 times:
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Quoting C010T3 (Thread starter):
Copa has filed a request to fly PTY-BSB before the Brazilian ANAC. The flight should operate 4x weekly effective June 14th, 2011:

CM205 12-4-6- 73G PTY 1832 BSB 0240
CM204 -23-5-7 73G BSB 0541 PTY 0948

Times are good for local O&D but not so great to take advantage of BSB strong advantage, connections !
Lets see how BSB performs with so much recent service additions (LIM, MIA, MVD and now PTY)

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
IMHO, there might be an extra PTY-GIG frequency on the way and it's a question of time about CM in FOR, SSA and REC.

I see a potential 2nd PTY-GIG now that they will change the schedule as well as a potential PTY-FOR 4x weekly.



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User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

USA-BSB market is getting crowded of players. Each of them may face difficult times, if this capacity growth remains.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2694 times:
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Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 4):
USA-BSB market is getting crowded of players. Each of them may face difficult times, if this capacity growth remains

When and if the US$ become stronger again, BSB will see service cuts as the market Brasilia-U.S.A is much bigger than U.S.A-Brasilia, which is mostly government (limited) and VFR (limited).



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User currently offlineCM767 From Panama, joined Dec 2004, 654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2646 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
Sadly no CM aircraft can depart CWB bound for PTY fully loaded, so that's a Brazilian destination that would have to wait longer to be included in CM network, unless CM gets a B737-600.



According to Boeing, the -700 has more range that the -600

737-600
Maximum Range 3,225 nautical miles (5,970 km) [2-class with winglets]

737-700
Maximum Range 3,440 nautical miles (6,370 km)
[2-class with winglets]


According to Great Circle Mapper:

From To Initial
Heading Distance
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) CWB (25°31'43"S 49°10'33"W) 140.2° (SE) 3129 mi
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) EZE (34°49'20"S 58°32'09"W) 156.8° (SE) 3313 mi
PTY (9°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) MVD (34°50'18"S 56°01'51"W) 154.4° (SE) 3385 mi


Why CM can not make with with a -700?, maybe not full load, but I imagine that can be done with a decent load.

When EZE was open, CM could not make it back to PTY, they will dispatch the plane to CTG and re dispatch on flight to PTY if enough fuel was left, the same can be done to to open CWB if there are restrictions.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

If CM wants to start CWB, they should just do it as a tag-on from VVI.

User currently offlinepsa1011 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2606 times:
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Quoting C010T3 (Reply 7):
If CM wants to start CWB, they should just do it as a tag-on from VVI.

On a somewhat related note, is there any chance at all of PTY-SFO with CM now in A*?


User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2589 times:
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Quoting psa1011 (Reply 8):

On a somewhat related note, is there any chance at all of PTY-SFO with CM now in A*?

I wouldn't be too surprised to see that sector come eventually , while I don't imagine the O&D is huge it would connect CM to UA's transPacific network more effectively than LAX does as well as connecting SFO with one stop to CMs extensive Latin American network .



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User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2484 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
When and if the US$ become stronger again, BSB will see service cuts as the market Brasilia-U.S.A is much bigger than U.S.A-Brasilia, which is mostly government (limited) and VFR (limited).

The USA-BSB market is not easy to any player. You even posted last month that DL requested a frequency reduction.
That market was supposed to have a daily service, but now it is going to obtain its sixth player and no guarantee of sustainable playing.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2398 times:
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Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 10):
The USA-BSB market is not easy to any player. You even posted last month that DL requested a frequency reduction.
That market was supposed to have a daily service, but now it is going to obtain its sixth player and no guarantee of sustainable playing.

There was a reduction in place by DL to deal with low season. They have no problem to deal with peak season, specially IATA summer. Probably is off-season when you need more business to support the missing leisure.



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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1764 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2364 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 9):

I wouldn't be too surprised to see that sector come eventually , while I don't imagine the O&D is huge it would connect CM to UA's transPacific network more effectively than LAX does as well as connecting SFO with one stop to CMs extensive Latin American network .

If LAN can continue flying LIM-SFO on a 763 profitably I don't see why not. While CM wouldn't have the cargo revenue it would have less seats to fill and a partner hub on the other end.

Though CM needs to work on making the on-board experience on these longer flights better - perhaps having AVOD and a superior business class on the longer range planes.


User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

Quoting OP3000 (Reply 12):
Quoting OP3000 (Reply 12):
Though CM needs to work on making the on-board experience on these longer flights better - perhaps having AVOD and a superior business class on the longer range planes.

100% agree !!! CM needs to improve their business product for segments over 3 hours and also add more seats to key markets as GRU.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2075 times:
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Isn't a good route to CM to open LAS, SFO, BOS and ORD as destinations in the future ?

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 13):
100% agree !!! CM needs to improve their business product for segments over 3 hours and also add more seats to key markets as GRU.

They are doing that every time they open a new flight to other markets in Brazil.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1966 times:

Quoting CM767 (Reply 6):
According to Boeing, the -700 has more range that the -600

whiich is actually the same as a B737-800 and the B737-800 is currently flying EZE/GRU-PTY.

Quoting CM767 (Reply 6):
When EZE was open, CM could not make it back to PTY, they will dispatch the plane to CTG and re dispatch on flight to PTY if enough fuel was left, the same can be done to to open CWB if there are restrictions

The tech stop was in CLO not CTG. And the major problem with CWB is the runway lenght, it just happens that al fully loaded B737-600 can make it CWB-PTY but a B737-700 may not be able to make it even to CLO fo that tech stop.

Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 10):
The USA-BSB market is not easy to any player. You even posted last month that DL requested a frequency reduction.

CM does have a sort of advantage, its market isn't just the States but also the Caribbean destinations. And when it comes to BSB-MCO, passengers only need to go thru immigration customs once in MCO.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 14):
Isn't a good route to CM to open LAS, SFO, BOS and ORD as destinations in the future ?

I'd not be surprised if CM is going to make an announcement about one of those later this year.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1818 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
CM hasn't finished making the announcements for PTY-POA and now PTY-BSB!

CM PTY-POA 4x weekly will precisely start on June 15th!




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Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
I see a potential 2nd PTY-GIG

In my view, the segments called PTY-GIG and LIM-GIG would upgrade their weekly frequencies sooner than later.

Regards.



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