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Delta (europe) JFK Vs ATL  
User currently offlineflyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10522 times:

Just curious which hub has more European capacity on a year round basis in both frequnecies and destinations served, seasonally?

Anyone have an updated breakdown of desinations served from each, and equipment. Some flights I assume operate weekly.

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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10508 times:

The quick answer is Atlanta. A break down, someone will chime in.


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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 729 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10404 times:

Here are the destinations:

ATL

DUB, MAN, LHR, LGW, MAD, BCN, CDG, BRU, AMS, CPH (summer only), DUS, FRA, STR, MUC, ZRH, MXP, FCO, VCE (summer only), PRG (summer only), ATH (summer only), SVO.

JFK

KEF (summer only), SNN, DUB, MAN, LHR, AGP (summer only), MAD, VLC (summer only), BCN, NCE, CDG (summer only?), BRU, AMS, ARN, CPH, TXL, FRA, ZRH (summer only), MXP, PSA (summer only), FCO, VCE, PRG, BUD (summer only), ATH, IST, KBP (summer only), SVO.

So JFK has more destinations, but quite a few are only operated in the summer. Also, all ATL flights are on widebody aircraft, whereas quite a few JFK routes are flown by 752s.



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8094 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10342 times:

Did DL drop EDI entirely?


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10323 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 2):

You forgot the JFK-LHR service.



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User currently offlineflyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10272 times:

Are the JFK routes well within the 757s range? Can the 752 do, practically, any of the western Europe cities out of JFK with no tech stops or wieght restrictions? Sorry, I know it's somewhat off topic but still relevant.

User currently offlinedavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10208 times:

CDG depends how you count it, as the JV I believe it is all on AF metal ex JFK.

Dave



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10078 times:

I'm almost positive that JFK has more destinations and capacity. In spite of various 757s on some JFK routes, many are A330s and 764s during peak periods, whereas ATL has many 763s. It would be nice if someone could do a breakdown, however, I'll try to do one once I get some time.

Jeremy


User currently offlinedelimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1486 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10054 times:

Quoting davescj (Reply 6):
CDG depends how you count it, as the JV I believe it is all on AF metal ex JFK.

I had thought DL would be opertaing one of the flights shortly.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2088 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9853 times:

Interesting breakdown. The way I've always pictured it, JFK-Europe traffic is mostly O&D and VFR driven, whereas ATL-Europe traffic is mostly business demand-driven, essentially allowing pax to transfer via ATL to virtually every major European business destination (i.e. from LIT to STR or OKC to CPH, etc).


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User currently offlinedamian From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9845 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 3):
Did DL drop EDI entirely?

Unfortunately yes, but I'm still hoping they might consider bringing ATL back as a summer route.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9762 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 2):
So JFK has more destinations, but quite a few are only operated in the summer. Also, all ATL flights are on widebody aircraft, whereas quite a few JFK routes are flown by 752s.

that's a semi-biased statement, since the 752 can't really reach anywhere in Europe from ATL with any reasonable payload (maybe other than London).

nevertheless i applaud DL for the wide range of options from ATL, esp secondary markets like Stuggart (are there that many Mercedes Benz employees that asks for its own flight?)


User currently offlinedeltacto From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9733 times:

Quoting delimit (Reply 8):
Quoting davescj (Reply 6):
CDG depends how you count it, as the JV I believe it is all on AF metal ex JFK.

I had thought DL would be opertaing one of the flights shortly.

Effective June 1, DL184 operates JFK-CDG - plus 5 flights on AF


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 729 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9631 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 4):
You forgot the JFK-LHR service.
Quoting FSDan (Reply 2):
JFK

KEF (summer only), SNN, DUB, MAN, LHR, AGP (summer only), MAD, VLC (summer only), BCN, NCE, CDG (summer only?), BRU, AMS, ARN, CPH, TXL, FRA, ZRH (summer only), MXP, PSA (summer only), FCO, VCE, PRG, BUD (summer only), ATH, IST, KBP (summer only), SVO.

Nah, it's in there.  
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11):
Quoting FSDan (Reply 2):
So JFK has more destinations, but quite a few are only operated in the summer. Also, all ATL flights are on widebody aircraft, whereas quite a few JFK routes are flown by 752s.

that's a semi-biased statement, since the 752 can't really reach anywhere in Europe from ATL with any reasonable payload (maybe other than London).

No, it's a statement of the facts. DL uses/will use 757s on JFK-KEF, SNN, DUB, MAN, AGP, VLC, BRU, ARN, CPH, and FRA. I was pointing out that JFK, even with more flights to Europe, might still have slightly less European capacity than ATL. I'm actually not sure which has more. It might vary by season.



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlineBlueman87 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9264 times:

the Delta Flight Returns June 1 on DL metal


B6 T5 JFK DL T2/3 JFK
User currently offlineMadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9171 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 13):
DL uses/will use 757s on JFK-KEF, SNN, DUB, MAN, AGP, VLC, BRU, ARN, CPH, and FRA.

Even with the PMNW 75A fleet, I don't think DL has enough TATL configured 757s to operate all of those plus the exclusive 75E transcons. I think some of those see upguages to 763/764 like BRU, MAN, FRA, and DUB. FRA is definitely a 763 during the winter. Also, don't I remember reading that KEF was going to be an A320?


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9083 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 13):
Nah, it's in there.

Sorry........I went thru that list a couple of times, too, just to make sure I was correct.

[Edited 2011-01-28 13:43:30]


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8909 times:

Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 15):
Even with the PMNW 75A fleet, I don't think DL has enough TATL configured 757s to operate all of those plus the exclusive 75E transcons.

Between the ex-TWA 757s and the ex-NW 75As, Delta has 30+ longhaul 757s, which is plenty enough to handle those routes, the BizE transcons and the handful of non-JFK transatlantic flights. Plus, not all of those flights are daily either (AGP is 6w, VLC 4w, KEF 5w).


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9082 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8903 times:

Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 15):

They are all 75s for S11

Ps KEF is 75E



yep.
User currently offline330guy From Ireland, joined Nov 2010, 453 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8773 times:

Quoting MadDogJT8D (Reply 15):
I think some of those see upguages to 763/764 like DUB.

DUB only ever gets the 757 from JFK (as of yet I havent seen any upgrades or swapped metal). The flight from ATL is operated by a 763 and is often upgraded to a 764 during the summer. From this summer the ATL flight will be an A330 (I dont exactly know when that starts tho, I think its May)



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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8691 times:

I wonder why DL couldnt make any of their EDI routes work, you would think there would be a lot of American tourists, I was surprised even the summer only didnt last.

User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1412 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8651 times:

Still waiting on GVA.
I find it odd DL hasn't jumped on it. It must be on their top 5 euro wish list, I bet.
CO and UA both fly it, so that's one carrier now. Room for a 2nd US carrier I'd say. I know Air France FF would support it big time.

[Edited 2011-01-28 15:25:00]


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User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8614 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11):
nevertheless i applaud DL for the wide range of options from ATL, esp secondary markets like Stuggart (are there that many Mercedes Benz employees that asks for its own flight?)

Yes. Mercedes has a major assembly plant located near Birmingham, AL.


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 729 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8119 times:

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 22):
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 11):
nevertheless i applaud DL for the wide range of options from ATL, esp secondary markets like Stuggart (are there that many Mercedes Benz employees that asks for its own flight?)

Yes. Mercedes has a major assembly plant located near Birmingham, AL.

Also, doesn't Porsche have their US headquarters in Atlanta or somewhere nearby?



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlinecongaboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 352 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7586 times:

This may be a bit of topic, but not alot...

Can anyone explain why DL doesnt operate a morning departure from either JFK or ATL to LHR, or perhaps CDG? It seems just about all others have something like this, and I find these flights really alot easier. Probably has something to do with connection complexes/banks?



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25 B4REAL : Slots at LHR.
26 YULWinterSkies : Yes for the moment. LYS-JFK also flown by DL. CO and LX both fly it (EWR for CO, JFK for LX). UA flies to IAD I believe. And AC to YUL. All Star Alli
27 mayor : DL used to fly it, IIRC, probably from the PA acquisition, but I couldn't tell you how long it lasted or when it was, exactly.
28 danfearn77 : Any Rumours of any upgrades to the JFK/ATL - MAN routes? There was a whisper of something a while back about it. Both routes perform very well.
29 DAL767400ER : They sure do, Sandy Springs slightly north of the I-285 beltway, IIRC.
30 OA412 : They did fly it. I found a route map from '94 online and it shows GVA on there so it was flown until at least then. However, like you I don't remembe
31 ju068 : By the way, what is the idea behind the flights to Lyon? What kind of passengers are they targeting? Is it a 757?
32 deltacto : When DL first got slots to LHR, they operated two flights from JFK. One was around 8am/9am - the other in the evening. DL later moved the morning fli
33 deltacto : Right after the Pan Am acquisition DL did operate JFK-GVA as a tag from ORY
34 FURUREFA : AA out of BOS, JFK and ORD. AC from YYZ, CO from EWR, UA from IAD, and then VS from a variety of destinations. So really everyone but DL.
35 mayor : I seem to remember a non-stop in there, somewhere along the way.
36 FSDan : DL doesn't fly to LYS anymore. When they did, it was with a 757.
37 congaboy : Thanks, FUR...and that is why I ask the question. I have taken the UA flight from IAD a number of times, and for me it is very convenient. Why is DL
38 deltacto : DL had a code-shar with Swissair - SR111/110 JFK-GVA-JFK
39 mayor : Probably has to do with the landing slots availability at LHR. IIRC, DL got their slots from AF and there were probably no morning slots available. J
40 Post contains links Reggaebird : All I know is that Delta's presence at JFK is pretty impressive as can be seen in the latter parts of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnLF
41 shamrock604 : DUB was a 767-400 the last summer from JFK, and a 767-300 the summer before. This year, it stays at 757 as all the 767-400's are going onto LHR fligh
42 BNAOWB : While ATL has 20+ European DL destinations and JFK has 25+, DTW only has 4: AMS, LHR, FRA, and FCO. Since so much of DL's domestic network has servic
43 SESGDL : DTW also has CDG service via the JV with AF. DTW simply doesn't have the feed that ATL does, which makes routing passengers through ATL to Europe tha
44 FSDan : I'm kind of surprised the DUS flight didn't work out, being a link between the primary manufacturing center of the US and the primary manufacturing c
45 deltal1011man : no. of the seasonal routes you can expect PRG and CPH to work there way back to year round. PRG being a Sky hub and CPH use to be a year round 764 ro
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