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STL Spring Update  
User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6352 times:

Hey All--

I figured I would combine some news and updates if any we see here.

STL-MEM went back to mainline in February for Delta on the A319.

EWR-STL went to E170 2 flights on Shuttle America

EWR-STL will start for WN, 2 daily March 27th, 2011.

In regards to Southwest at STL, I am hearing a 10th gate was approved and will be added for further expansion, looking at upwards 90-100 flights a day, If the merger with WN/FL is approved, this will impact STL in a great way.

Regarding to Cargo I wanted repost the link that was shared earlier this month--
http://www.stltoday.com/business/loc...e-23e7-11e0-90eb-00127992bc8b.html

In the A concourse, a new Kiosk was added..
New Store Opens in A Concourse

It’s a news kiosk without the cart. A new store has opened in the A Concourse to give passengers quick access to their travel needs.

The news and travel store eliminates a longer walk to the main A Concourse gift shop for passengers flying out of the United and US Airways gates. The store features magazines, small snacks, toiletries, bottled water and other travel items.

The store is located across from Dunkin’ Donuts/Baskin Robbins and adjacent to gate A19.




Construction/Renovation-
Concourse Wrap

There’s no doubt that the renovation of Lambert’s Terminal 1 concourses is in full force. The evidence for passengers can be seen above with hanging work lights, temporary signs and plastic sheeting bundled up in the ceiling. At night, crews move in to drop the protective barrier sheets to re-paint the brown ceilings a bright white. Several gate areas are already completed and work is now beginning on the center aisle in Concourse A. The renovations are part of the Airport Experience Program. The renovations in Concourses A & C will also include major restroom improvements, new lighting and new flooring.



This appears to be United Airlines signage.

This is all the update I have for now!

Alex


Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6342 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
In regards to Southwest at STL, I am hearing a 10th gate was approved and will be added for further expansion, looking at upwards 90-100 flights a day,

I hate to rain on the parade, but if they are not going to significantly rework the schedule, they'll need at least 11 gates and possibly 12 for 100 flights.



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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6325 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):

I hate to rain on the parade, but if they are not going to significantly rework the schedule, they'll need at least 11 gates and possibly 12 for 100 flights.

I can't reveal too much, but can confirm a 10th gate WAS confirmed, and they claim that they have the staffing and gate equipment for the upcoming schedule.

Keep in mind, 83 plus FL's current schedule will hit 90, and that could be all WN was meaning for the "90-100 flights a day"...

Alex



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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6259 times:

File everything below squarely under rumor for now, but here goes:

I've heard that US is indeed going to relocate to Concourse C, allowing CO to slide down toward UA. At that time, DL will then take over 2 more gates (for a total of 8) to reduce the number of off-gate RON's and trickle down delays when they end up with too many flights at once. On the current schedule, DL has 15 departures before 9:00 a.m. and is pressed for gate space.

I've also heard that STL-LAX is going to get a green light on DL, though I've not heard aircraft type or frequency. I can't imagine it would be anything larger than an Airbus of 738 at once daily, which could be tough to make work against multiple dailies by both AA and WN. Word is that UA is also very pleased with the performance of STL-SFO and is considering STL-LAX as a complement. I sincerely doubt it will, but if all of that comes to fruition, we could have a bloodbath on our hands!


User currently offlineLambertman From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5985 times:

Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
There’s no doubt that the renovation of Lambert’s Terminal 1 concourses is in full force. The evidence for passengers can be seen above with hanging work lights, temporary signs and plastic sheeting bundled up in the ceiling. At night, crews move in to drop the protective barrier sheets to re-paint the brown ceilings a bright white. Several gate areas are already completed and work is now beginning on the center aisle in Concourse A. The renovations are part of the Airport Experience Program. The renovations in Concourses A & C will also include major restroom improvements, new lighting and new flooring.

My DCA flight on DL arrives at A-8, the only other gate with the update, and its really a pleasant look. It changes the whole feel of the concourse in my opinion.

Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
In regards to Southwest at STL, I am hearing a 10th gate was approved and will be added for further expansion, looking at upwards 90-100 flights a day, If the merger with WN/FL is approved, this will impact STL in a great way.

If the station could expand to 100 flights a day that would be quite a feat. With the reductions of Cleveland and Salt Lake, I kind of doubt that will happen anytime soon though.

Quoting steex (Reply 3):
I've heard that US is indeed going to relocate to Concourse C, allowing CO to slide down toward UA. At that time, DL will then take over 2 more gates (for a total of 8) to reduce the number of off-gate RON's and trickle down delays when they end up with too many flights at once. On the current schedule, DL has 15 departures before 9:00 a.m. and is pressed for gate space.

Yeah your not kidding. When I take the 7:00 AM DCA flight I usually am sharing the space with A10 and A6 passengers because there's large aircraft at A6/10 and the spaces don't have enough room. Taking over gates A7 and 9? I think that would be the logical move for Delta.

I'm not sure why they just wouldn't move DL to the South side of C. That makes significantly more sense than putting US over there, but I'm sure there's more to that than meets the eye. Maybe the SkyClub is going in Concourse A?

Quoting steex (Reply 3):
I've also heard that STL-LAX is going to get a green light on DL, though I've not heard aircraft type or frequency. I can't imagine it would be anything larger than an Airbus of 738 at once daily, which could be tough to make work against multiple dailies by both AA and WN. Word is that UA is also very pleased with the performance of STL-SFO and is considering STL-LAX as a complement. I sincerely doubt it will, but if all of that comes to fruition, we could have a bloodbath on our hands!

I'm not sure theres room on STL-LAX for another carrier, but it would be interesting to see them try. I was told months back that AA would actually drop LAX out of STL, but it stayed, surprisingly....  

UA should be pleased with SFO. As soon as that route was cut I knew that someone would come in and fill the void. Quite simply, the traffic is there to make it work. Maybe even twice a day in peak seasons.

On another note, AS has been doing great from a load perspective. Loads have been over 90% in the first few months and it wouldn't be a shock to see them add a second daily in peak seasons should the loads persist at this level.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5926 times:

Quoting steex (Reply 3):
I've also heard that STL-LAX is going to get a green light on DL, though I've not heard aircraft type or frequency. I can't imagine it would be anything larger than an Airbus of 738 at once daily, which could be tough to make work against multiple dailies by both AA and WN.

STL-SFO on UA was really sensible - decent local market, large hub on the other end, no competition. I don't see how STL-LAX makes sense on either UA or DL (and we know DL won't or can't fly the long, thin LAX routes when oil is expensive from last time around).

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 2):
and they claim that they have the staffing and gate equipment for the upcoming schedule.

As you know, though, staffing and gate equipment aren't the issues - there are plenty of both right now. The issue is gates, pure and simple.



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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5861 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
(and we know DL won't or can't fly the long, thin LAX routes when oil is expensive from last time around).

While i wont say anything, but your baiting (AGAIN) to start a DL/LAX thread. Guess it makes you sleep better at night or something. (you just did it in the Slot swap thread)



yep.
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5797 times:

Quoting Lambertman (Reply 4):
I'm not sure theres room on STL-LAX for another carrier, but it would be interesting to see them try.

My guess is that route is probably pretty good for one airline, a challenge for two, and pretty dicey for three.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
STL-SFO on UA was really sensible - decent local market, large hub on the other end,

The hub is really of limited usefulness for passengers outbound from St. Louis though.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5756 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
The hub is really of limited usefulness for passengers outbound from St. Louis though.

Yes and no. The Asia connections aren't great. But if you're going to SMF or PDX, it works well.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 6):
While i wont say anything, but your baiting (AGAIN) to start a DL/LAX thread.

Your comment demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the STL-LAX market, which is different in kind from BDL/RDU/JAX/CMH-LAX. In each of those, Delta was (and is) the only carrier that was likely to fly nonstop to LAX, and in each, there was plentiful service to at least one Delta hub to complement the single daily nonstop flight.

1x isn't really competitive for business travelers on its own, so connections need to fill in the gap. So at RDU, if the single daily flight to LAX doesn't work for me, I can just hop down to ATL and connect there - and there are all kinds of RDU-ATL-LAX options. At BDL, I can hop over to CVG, DTW, or MSP and do something similar. At STL? I guess there's SLC, but at only three daily flights from STL, there are many fewer options.

Of course, 1x is even less competitive when you have two other carriers with better nonstop frequency. So even if RDU-LAX or CMH-LAX were clear winners - and they aren't - I'm not sure that STL-LAX would work.



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User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5656 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):

Your comment demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the STL-LAX market

No My comment it saying your going to turn this into a DL/LAX thread. You don't know what Delta will do, wont do, will cut, wont cut if and when fuel jumps up.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5632 times:

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 9):
You don't know what Delta will do, wont do, will cut, wont cut if and when fuel jumps up.

I don't. All I can do is report what they did in the past.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 9):
My comment it saying your going to turn this into a DL/LAX thread

But I've done no such thing. That's why I'm completely lost. Again, STL-LAX has much different challenges from other long, domestic, daily or less routes they've tried from LAX in the past.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5556 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
But if you're going to SMF or PDX, it works well.

Though being all the way out on the West Coast and with one flight per day, it isn't as good as Denver. But luckily STL-SFO can probably survive on O&D alone.



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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

Quoting Lambertman (Reply 4):

Yeah your not kidding. When I take the 7:00 AM DCA flight I usually am sharing the space with A10 and A6 passengers because there's large aircraft at A6/10 and the spaces don't have enough room. Taking over gates A7 and 9? I think that would be the logical move for Delta.

I'm not sure why they just wouldn't move DL to the South side of C. That makes significantly more sense than putting US over there, but I'm sure there's more to that than meets the eye. Maybe the SkyClub is going in Concourse A?

I would imagine it's mostly related to the fact that moving US is a much smaller effort than moving DL. Also, considering that UA/CO probably need to be together at some point anyhow, that makes some sense. I believe A9 would be the first target, with something on the even side being the second (if they do add two).

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
STL-SFO on UA was really sensible - decent local market, large hub on the other end, no competition. I don't see how STL-LAX makes sense on either UA or DL (and we know DL won't or can't fly the long, thin LAX routes when oil is expensive from last time around)

I would tend to agree. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if the SFO O&D pushed UA to consider an upgauge or second daily STL-SFO in the summer season.

If DL is serious about STL, they could try throwing STL-LAX at the wall to see if AA budges at all. I somewhat wonder if DL feels they can marginalize yield on AA's LGA/DCA/LAX flights enough to eventually result in AA giving them up entirely. I don't think they really could do that given historic AA service on these routes, but it would be an interesting stance. Of course, ultimately it could be that WN puts the dagger in these AA services if they get appropriate slots on the east coast.


User currently offlinestlAV8R From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5434 times:

So if the China cargo flights materialize, what facilities will be used?

User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5294 times:

I think it is most likely that we will see WN enter SNA-STL to add additional n/s seats to the LA metro once they have more gates in the new terminal C and are allowed more flights down the road. I bet WN wants at least twice a day frequency to start the route so we might need to wait

delta1011man cubsrule statement is actually based on history. He is entitled to his opinion anyway you get your panties in a knot anytime someone mentions delta at LAX. You are the one who is super biased, and has an agenda to prove. This is why you go crazy on anyone who says anything about slightly negative about delta at LAX. Its his opinion and he can think what he wants to, and his statement is actually based on deltas own history at LAX. As YOU said no one knows exactly what delta is going to do at LAX so it should be clearly understood as his opinion/guess


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5111 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5236 times:

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 13):


So if the China cargo flights materialize, what facilities will be used?

The north side cargo area. My gut instinct tells me the "Chineese Cargo Hub" at STL is a pipe dream.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):


At STL? I guess there's SLC, but at only three daily flights from STL, there are many fewer options.

MSP and even MEM offer STL-LAX options on DL so it's a toss-up on that.



Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently offlinestlAV8R From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 15):
The north side cargo area. My gut instinct tells me the "Chineese Cargo Hub" at STL is a pipe dream.

From what I've been reading, it's taking steps in the right direction. I will say they may not last a very long time but I do believe they will start. If all goes well I would imagine they'll start going after other countries. I thought I read somewhere that STL is looking at Brazil but I could be mistaken. Can anybody confirm this?

Question about Concourse E. E2 I know is shunned due to its location, however with the introduction of FL's 717, does it seem like a possibility again? I figure because of STL's central location to the rest of the country, we can expect to see more of these around here. It seems beneficial in the short term at least but who knows for down the road.

Does anybody have an update to AA? I hear they are cutting a MIA and DCA flight.

I never hear anyone speak of U5 much. What is the deal with them? STL must be very lucrative for them as they cut a lot of major cities in the past few years. Does anyone take them to ORD or CVG or just down south?


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23021 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5144 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 15):
MSP and even MEM offer STL-LAX options on DL so it's a toss-up on that.

Yes - if you go straight south or straight north for your westbound flight. STL-MSP-LAX adds about an hour of flight time before you factor in the connection. STL-MEM-LAX adds about 45 minutes. RDU-ATL-LAX is only 60 miles longer than the nonstop.



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User currently offlineatrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5043 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 14):
once they have more gates in the new terminal C

Terminal 2/East Side you mean?

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 16):

Question about Concourse E. E2 I know is shunned due to its location, however with the introduction of FL's 717, does it seem like a possibility again? I figure because of STL's central location to the rest of the country, we can expect to see more of these around here. It seems beneficial in the short term at least but who knows for down the road.

Nothing is set up right now in E-2, as you mentioned it is shunned, no jetbridges, most of the ground equipment is stored on the ramp at E-2, there is no boarding supplies at E2, and the gate space for E-4 takes up most of the E2 area.

I don't know HOW they could set it up at E-2 but I suppose not impossible. The 10th gate I believe will be E-22.

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 16):

Does anybody have an update to AA? I hear they are cutting a MIA and DCA flight.

DCA yes, and I think MIA as well, not sure for MIA.

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 16):

I never hear anyone speak of U5 much. What is the deal with them?

Remaining steady for them, don't know about yields and profits for them but they must do ok to stay for as long as they do in STL.

Alex



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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4966 times:

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 16):
Does anybody have an update to AA? I hear they are cutting a MIA and DCA flight.

AA is cutting from 4x to 3x STL-DCA (so is DL) as a result of DL's added capacity in the market. AA will be reducing from 3x to 2x STL-MIA, however this was expected as the third daily 757 was intended to be winter seasonal from the beginning. We should at least be glad for that as STL-MIA had otherwise been 2x 757 year-round in the recent past.


User currently offlinestl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

Quoting Lambertman (Reply 4):
My DCA flight on DL arrives at A-8, the only other gate with the update, and its really a pleasant look. It changes the whole feel of the concourse in my opinion.

I think the renovations will help the appearance of the airport dramactically. I'm glad to see some positive remarks about the renovations so far.

How have the loads been on your DCA flights? I hope they have picked up.

Quoting atrude777 (Thread starter):
In regards to Southwest at STL, I am hearing a 10th gate was approved and will be added for further expansion, looking at upwards 90-100 flights a day, If the merger with WN/FL is approved, this will impact STL in a great way.

That is great news. They really could use a 11th gate when AirTran operations move to the E concourse. I would not be suprised at all to see Southwest reach 100 flights a day. I could see them add a couple of additional business routes such as LGA or DCA.

Quoting steex (Reply 3):
I've also heard that STL-LAX is going to get a green light on DL, though I've not heard aircraft type or frequency.

I was hoping for additional routes and frequencies from Delta. I would love for them to expand in STL and give American some compeition. The LAX route obviously would be tough but if timed right could do well. I would think this is enough O&D demand for them to suceed. If Delta gets additional gets if US Airways moves, I would think they would be interested in additional routes.

If US Airways moves, I would assume they would be taking over the AirTran gates when AirTran moves?


User currently offlineLambertman From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

Quoting stl1326 (Reply 20):

I think the renovations will help the appearance of the airport dramactically. I'm glad to see some positive remarks about the renovations so far.

How have the loads been on your DCA flights? I hope they have picked up.

No, not really. My flights sometimes have me and a few other passengers on them. The frequency has already been reduced to 3x daily from 4 and the logical thing would be to drop it all together in a normal circumstance. I think it will stick around though as a loss leader of sorts as DL tries to build its customer base from STL.

LAX would probably fall under a similar category if they were to add it.

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 16):
I never hear anyone speak of U5 much. What is the deal with them? STL must be very lucrative for them as they cut a lot of major cities in the past few years. Does anyone take them to ORD or CVG or just down south?

The flights to ORD and CVG are just re-positioning flights if I remember correctly. They rarely operate and when they do I'm sure its full of bargain basement fares. They do, however, manage to attract a pretty strong crowd headed down to RSW and the like.


User currently offlinestlAV8R From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

Rumor has it that AA is shrinking the size of their Admirals Club on the B/C/D connector. Does this mean another carrier can add a club. It would be interesting to see UA/CO add a club and relocate to C considering the size of their operation. Also with RP operating the UAX EWR route, does that mean there is to be less AX or G7 flying from STL. I understand the needs for repositioning the A/C but that must come at a sizable expense to the loyalty of the customers they are trying to serve. It would be nice to see more mainline here. I hear EWR is typically always full and DEN is definitely a long ways in an ERJ.

Quoting atrude777 (Reply 18):
Nothing is set up right now in E-2, as you mentioned it is shunned, no jetbridges, most of the ground equipment is stored on the ramp at E-2, there is no boarding supplies at E2, and the gate space for E-4 takes up most of the E2 area.

I don't know HOW they could set it up at E-2 but I suppose not impossible.

Looking at old pictures of E2 and E4 suggest that E2 is completely feasible however that doesn't say that E4 has been shifted over since then. It just makes sense to me to not expand into the old D. It's night and day and if they grow past E22, E24-E25, I would hope that they would take that into consideration. As far as equipment I'm sure they'll do just like they plan to at any other new gate...

Quoting stl1326 (Reply 20):
I think the renovations will help the appearance of the airport dramactically. I'm glad to see some positive remarks about the renovations so far.

The renovated spaces will turn out nice and it's definitely overdue. I wish there were more food options however but because of the way the terminals are designed, I doubt there is more room.

Quoting stl1326 (Reply 20):
I was hoping for additional routes and frequencies from Delta. I would love for them to expand in STL and give American some compeition. The LAX route obviously would be tough but if timed right could do well. I would think this is enough O&D demand for them to suceed. If Delta gets additional gets if US Airways moves, I would think they would be interested in additional routes.

I'm sure you can bet on this considering that DL is busting at the seems in it's current state. I hope that they pick up the pace (US moving and DL expanding) and decide whether or not a SkyClub is coming this way.

Quoting Lambertman (Reply 21):
LAX would probably fall under a similar category if they were to add it.

I would hope not plus this may come with new cargo routes that have been pre-negotiated with DL. Would be nice to see more DL to the west.

Quoting Lambertman (Reply 21):
The flights to ORD and CVG are just re-positioning flights if I remember correctly. They rarely operate and when they do I'm sure its full of bargain basement fares. They do, however, manage to attract a pretty strong crowd headed down to RSW and the like.

Interesting cause they have cut back a lot since '08 and no word must mean they are surviving but I wonder if this is it for them. I mean, can a carrier go this long with no growth?


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 22):
Rumor has it that AA is shrinking the size of their Admirals Club on the B/C/D connector.

Wondered about that now that the hub is gone... spent a lot of time in and have FOND memories of that space when it was the Ambassadors Club back in the 90's.



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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 22):
I hope that they pick up the pace (US moving and DL expanding) and decide whether or not a SkyClub is coming this way.

Despite the rumored addition of gates, I've heard the "SkyClub Lite" concept they had been considering is off the table and there will be no SkyClub for STL. Perhaps if DL adds more flights and they perform well, they might reconsider.


25 atrude777 : Heard same too. As posted by the OAG Threads... Delta is adding a 4th daily STL-SLC in June. Where does the aircraft come from because ATL-STL is red
26 Post contains links stlAV8R : It is supposed to be on a CR9 but the timing is so odd, I wonder if they loaded the new flight and haven't removed the old one yet. U5 announced that
27 atrude777 : Wow awesome! A new destination never served by TWA or AA, right? I really like the expansion U5 is doing in STL, even if it is charter it helps! Alex
28 steex : That's possible, but my guess is it's a summer seasonal capacity increase without using a mainline bird. Keep in mind that last year DL operated STL-
29 FlyBoy84 : I like the idea of some diversification of service at STL vs. depending on one main carrier - even if SW has more flights than any of the others. It
30 Post contains links ont2cgi : http://www.stltoday.com/business/loc...2-346b-11e0-a60c-0017a4a78c22.html p-d article
31 as739x : UA STL-SFO connects to RNO/PDX/SEA/GEG/ACV/RDM/SMF/SBP/MRY/LAX/SAN/ONT/PSP domestically Int'l and *A connection UA SYD/ SQ HKG-SIN That's limited?
32 BMI727 : Considering how many of those destinations can be reached via DEN, yes it is. Unfortunately, UA cannot schedule the flight to connect with the earlie
33 as739x : I understand some of these city's can be connected via DEN. But isn't this the same with many airline and their destinations? And with a A319/20 betw
34 BMI727 : Yes, but the fact is that the flight probably survives mostly due to O&D. And that is why the flight cannot be better timed. UA can just send con
35 atrude777 : I went to visit STL and the facility as part of a field trip for one of my classes. Wanted to share some stuff I heard. They spent about 5 minutes or
36 Post contains images Lambertman : I figured that was the case. Although I'm not sure how you could get rid of B and then demolish it. One major problem to a new terminal though. Lambe
37 stl1326 : An update regarding airline operations out of STL.....UA/CO is upgrading/adding 3 E-170 and 1 737-500 to EWR in May and also upgrading 1 IAH flight to
38 SANFan : I don't agree with you. I really haven't noticed WN going crazy with STL-West Coast service these days, nor do I expect to see it any time soon for t
39 atrude777 : Hahaha! Sorry! Bad wording on my part! Fantastic to hear all these mainline additions! Is this the response we are seeing to EWR due to WN? Hmmh Glad
40 BHMNONREV : I think this is long over due, in fact I'm sure it could be extended further if necessary. I have no doubt there are designs, as I have seen several
41 wn676 : They'll have 4 daily to PHX every Thursday, Friday, and Sunday starting next month and running until at least August.
42 atrude777 : I meant to ask this question, and it escaped my mind, why were the two runways not built to be equal, AND, why was the new runway still shorter than
43 Post contains images BHMNONREV : At the time it was built, there was not enough land to go beyond the 9K but with a lot of the buildings on the NW corner of the airport property now
44 atrude777 : That's what I was thinking too! A design I saw was was similar to what you had suggested, a mid field terminal was gonna be built between those two r
45 BHMNONREV : I know FlyBoy84 has a copy of the TWA inspired mid-field airside in .pdf format, maybe he can post the link here. It was a 60 gate facility IIRC, loc
46 Post contains images FlyBoy84 : I have TWO such images - one is on my profile and I'm attaching it here: The other one is either on my old hard-drive or on my jump-drive. The latter
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