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Confirmed: BMI Axes GLA-LHR From 27/3/11  
User currently offlinejamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 555 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8149 times:

Just released; recent rumours were correct. GLA loses it's primary *A feeder.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/b...axes-city-s-london-route-1.1082791

Quote:
BMI axes city’s London route
Stewart Paterson

31 Jan 2011

BMI is pulling out of a daily service from Glasgow Airport to London, putting staff at risk of losing their jobs.

BMI, one of only two airlines to fly daily from Glasgow to Heathrow, says it is quitting to focus on more-profitable long haul services.

A spokeswoman said: “Unfortunately, due to the suspension of the route a number of employees at Glasgow will be at risk of redundancy.

“The company has today commenced a 30-day formal consultation process with employees and the relevant unions to try and reduce the number of redundancies as much as possible and will offer a large number of redeployment options within bmi.”

BMI operates six flights from Glasgow to Heathrow and five return flights daily. An advance return ticket costs £66.10, with an additional £52 for various taxes and charges.

The flights will stop on March 27, leaving BA with a monopoly on the route.

...continues


[Edited 2011-01-31 04:35:51]

[Edited 2011-01-31 04:37:42]

62 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8014 times:

So, with this cuts they will start BSL on the 27th March!

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7845 times:

Quoting santos (Reply 1):

So, with this cuts they will start BSL on the 27th March!

I guess some other cities will be added as well as BSL will use up 6 slots out of the 12 GLA has freed. MAN is also losing 2 daily flights.

Very sad to see BD leave GLA. I think ultimately we will only see ABZ and EDI remain.



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User currently offlinerichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3762 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7807 times:

So will star alliance carriers at LHR have to form an interline agreement with who to get feed from GLA?

User currently offlinepoz2brs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7683 times:

Quoting richardw (Reply 3):
So will star alliance carriers at LHR have to form an interline agreement with who to get feed from GLA?

With EDI so close by I doubt they will bother.

What are the odds of a price increase now that BA has a monopoly on the route?


User currently offlinejamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 555 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7681 times:

Quoting richardw (Reply 3):
So will star alliance carriers at LHR have to form an interline agreement with who to get feed from GLA?

In the short term, I presume passengers will be routed from LHR with BA. Eastbound into GLA the *A has a choice of CO daily from EWR and US seasonal (although longer this summer than ever before) from PHL. Westbound into GLA there is BMI-R from CPH and rumours that with the third runway at FRA, the newly LH-focussed BD will start feeding into the regions from there.

I suspect BD will gradually shift it's *A feed from LHR to FRA, and the expensive slots at LHR will be dedicated to the niche African and Middle Eastern destinations that should generate more O&D traffic to and from London.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7642 times:

Quoting poz2brs (Reply 4):
What are the odds of a price increase now that BA has a monopoly on the route?

Yes, they have a monopoly to LHR, but there's plentiful alternatives to LON, namely to STN (EZY, FR from stwick (PIK / EGPK), United Kingdom">PIK); LTN (EZY); LCY (BACF); and LGW (EZY, BA). STN, LTN, LCY, LHR, LGW all serve the GLA-LON market, but are also markets in themselves. Also, rail fares to LON can be very cheap, depending on when booked, when travel, etc.

I suspect BA's prices will rise a bit, and that they will benefit from higher load factors as a result of less capacity on LHR-GLA.

[Edited 2011-01-31 07:22:02]


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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7480 times:

Will BA add capacity on the route???


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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7411 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 2):
I think ultimately we will only see ABZ and EDI remain.

Are you predicting BHD to be cancelled?


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7395 times:

I am just amazed at this I really am but I guess nothing is a surprise with BD in this day and age even with LH running the show.

User currently offlinebwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7360 times:

New routes announced today are Heathrow to Stavanger, Bergen, Marrakesh and Casablanca. This is in addition to the previously announced flights from Heathrow to Basel, Tripoli, and a second daily Beirut, and Manchester to Basel, and additional wet lease flying from Manchester and Birmingham to Frankfurt.

User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7360 times:

BD has just announced it will start new 4 routes out of LHR to Morocco and Norway. So it would suggest it is using the planes and LHR slots to start these new ventures.

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7332 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 9):
I am just amazed at this I really am

Why? Low fares; considerable competition; overcapacity. Better using slots for (hopefully) more profitable ventures.



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7245 times:

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 11):
BD has just announced it will start new 4 routes out of LHR to Morocco and Norway. So it would suggest it is using the planes and LHR slots to start these new ventures.

Very good news from BD... Those routes to Morrocco are a good answer to BA abandoning the route when GT transferred to U2.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7231 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 13):
Those routes to Morrocco are a good answer to BA abandoning the route when GT transferred to U2.

So, from LON to RAK we have:

LGW - EZY, BA (from 27th Mar)
LTN - FR
STN - FR (from 27th Mar)
LHR - BD (coming soon)

Shows the popularity of Marrakech!



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinezkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7148 times:

sad day.. why did they not just downgrade the a/c to an emb145? like what they did to MAN...


CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7120 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 12):
Why? Low fares; considerable competition; overcapacity. Better using slots for (hopefully) more profitable ventures.

Dont get me wrong, you need to go where the money is but it really surprises me that with all the feed the Star carriers must bring to BD at LHR, let alone O & D that they cannot get it to work but still I am on the flip side pleased about the new route announcements.


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7116 times:

Quoting zkojh (Reply 15):
sad day.. why did they not just downgrade the a/c to an emb145? like what they did to MAN...

One of the problems which BD faced on the route is that, according to media reports, is was losing £1 million a month.

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Gl...ow-to-London-flights-to.6699380.jp


User currently offlinespud757 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7056 times:

Quoting zkojh (Reply 15):
sad day.. why did they not just downgrade the a/c to an emb145? like what they did to MAN...

because using an E45 into LHR is poor use of an expensive slot when a bigger aircraft can be used instead to fly more pax to another more profitable route.

For GLA-LON O&D there is plenty of non-BD alternatives - LCY, LTN, STN and LGW all served on various carriers, plus there's the west coast mainline train.

So not worth BD holding onto GLA-LHR just for feeding their LHR ops, other *A carriers and VS. Those pax can be interlined over BA.

What would be useful for GLA is perhaps a BD/LH connection into FRA hub to feed east-bound pax that might have gone via LHR in past.

Can't see BD keeping their MAN-LHR service much longer either for the same reasons. BA already covers the route for transfer pax and O&D as it does for LGW. Plus MAN already has west bound *A connections on CO/UA into EWR and US into PHL plus a great number of connections into LH group hubs at FRA/MUC/BRU and ZRH to serving east bound and african routes. So BD customers going MAN-LHR-xxx could interline over BA.

[Edited 2011-01-31 08:50:44]

User currently offlineblueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3058 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6339 times:

Quoting bwaflyer (Reply 10):
New routes announced today are Heathrow to Stavanger, Bergen, Marrakesh and Casablanca

Bergen will be daily, except days ending in a "y", via Newcastle on a Monday, Manchester on a Friday, and non-stop on all other days except if it's an afternoon departure. Operated by an A320 weekdays, and by Emb-145 on Saturdays. Full meal service on a Tuesday, refreshments only rest of the week, except on days operated by regional or on Sunday morning when there will be the once famous bacon roll. Tiny fares some days, mileage accrual only on full fares but not on aircraft with the old livery...... All subject to change at short notice... 

On a serious note, I hear LHR - JFK is well and truly in the pipeline, though I presume this will require new metal.

Rgds



So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6328 times:

Quoting blueshamu330s (Reply 19):
Bergen will be daily, except days ending in a "y", via Newcastle on a Monday, Manchester on a Friday, and non-stop on all other days except if it's an afternoon departure. Operated by an A320 weekdays, and by Emb-145 on Saturdays. Full meal service on a Tuesday, refreshments only rest of the week, except on days operated by regional or on Sunday morning when there will be the once famous bacon roll. Tiny fares some days, mileage accrual only on full fares but not on aircraft with the old livery...... All subject to change at short notice... 

HAHA

Quoting blueshamu330s (Reply 19):
On a serious note, I hear LHR - JFK is well and truly in the pipeline, though I presume this will require new metal.

Really!!!!!!!!!! They want to enter THAT market!!


User currently offlinebwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6302 times:

Heathrow - Stavanger
BD537 dep 08:55; arr 11:50 daily

Stavanger - Heathrow
BD538 dep 12:30; arr 13:25 Sunday to Friday
BD538 dep 13:10; arr 14:05 Saturday

Heathrow - Bergen
BD551 dep 14:05; arr 16:55 Sunday to Friday
BD551 dep 14:25; arr 17:15 Saturday

Bergen - Heathrow
BD552 dep 17:30; arr 18:20 Sunday to Friday
BD552 dep 17:50; arr 18:40 Saturday

Heathrow - Casablanca
BD441 dep 10:10; arr 12:25 Tuesday, Saturday, Sunday
BD441 dep 08:35; arr 10:50 Thursday

Casablanca - Heathrow
BD442 dep 13:15; arr 17:25 Tuesday, Saturday, Sunday
BD442 dep 11:40; arr 15:50 Thursday

Heathrow - Marrakech
BD447 dep 10:10; arr 12:35 Monday, Friday
BD447 dep 11:10; arr 13:35 Sunday

Marrakech - Heathrow
BD448 dep 13:25; arr 17:50 Monday, Friday
BD448 dep 14:25; arr 18:50 Sunday


User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6289 times:

Watch the other domestics go shortly too, EDI, ABZ etc, I give them a year.....

User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5939 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6227 times:

Quoting BY738 (Reply 22):
EDI, ABZ

Along with DUB and BHD I don't see EDI and ABZ going anywhere fast.

However, I give MAN 6 months

Quoting blueshamu330s (Reply 19):
Bergen will be daily, except days ending in a "y", via Newcastle on a Monday, Manchester on a Friday, and non-stop on all other days except if it's an afternoon departure. Operated by an A320 weekdays, and by Emb-145 on Saturdays. Full meal service on a Tuesday, refreshments only rest of the week, except on days operated by regional or on Sunday morning when there will be the once famous bacon roll. Tiny fares some days, mileage accrual only on full fares but not on aircraft with the old livery...... All subject to change at short notice...

  

It's funny because it's true...



Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6167 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 23):
Along with DUB and BHD I don't see EDI and ABZ going anywhere fast.

Aberdeen is on the Embraer which is coming out of LHR, no idea why they started ABZ, they never laid a finger on BA's volume, and if STAR feed from GLA isn't worth it, I doubt ABZ is going to last. I agree that the UK domestics and ROI will disappear, UK domestic is being hammered by locos and taxes.


25 PlaneMad : I am just hoping that EDi-LHR survives...
26 Post contains images UAL777UK : Me too, apart from a selfish point of view and EDI being my families home city, there is a shed load of business in EDI and I just hope BD can cater
27 southernstar : Quoting blueshamu330s (Reply 19): On a serious note, I hear LHR - JFK is well and truly in the pipeline, though I presume this will require new metal.
28 UAL777UK : Fair enough, no star carrier is flying that route but with UA now operating LHR-EWR up to five times a day is JFK really needed? I cannot believe tha
29 LondonCity : Agreed. What is the point of competing with CO's [not UA, by the way] five times a day service into EWR ?
30 spud757 : unless the plan involves a JV with VS? There's always talk of some sort of BD-VS tie-up in one way or another. If SRB and LH are talking behind the s
31 UAL777UK : Without being nitpicky it is actually UA now, they have merged and although they dont operate a SOC yet to all intent and purposes its UA flying the
32 skipness1E : If you get it right it's one of the biggest and most profitable routes on the planet. United gave up as they needed the metal where it could make mor
33 UAL777UK : Agreed but there seems little point IMHO of starting JFK when EWR is covered 5 times a day on a Star Carrier. I would love to seem them have a go at
34 AirNZ : Has nothing whatever to do with UK domestic routes being lost.
35 skipness1E : Not what the figures crossing my desk say. Why do you dismiss this so confidently? In the last few years we've lost BD LHR-MME/LBA/GLA soon to be MAN
36 gkirk : Both replaced by FlyBe, and much more suitable a/c. I could see FR increasing PIK-STN again, at least to 2/3 daily. Think the big winner will be BA a
37 FlyCaledonian : What are the schedules for BSL?
38 BY738 : This is categorically wrong. Just look at train pax numbers and compare with London air pax numbers.... The role reversal is striking
39 poz2brs : Certainly I am experiencing the same too. Rail fares getting comparatively cheaper due to ever-increasing air taxes is definitely having an effect. I
40 jfk777 : This news is the first casualty of the very ridiculously priced departure TAX the last Labor Government placed. I remember when the UK had no such tax
41 UAL777UK : Alas you are soo right. I can travel from my local station of Reading to Edinburgh by Cross Country trains and the journey time can be as little as 5
42 santos : I thought most passengers on the LHR-MAN/EDI flights are connecting passengers! Very few actually just flying from point to point! I could be wrong t
43 heathrow : What does this mean for connecting pax from North America and Asia? LH via FRA ? I'm glad I'm with Oneworld at times like these!
44 UAL777UK : Your probably right and the same could be said of GLA but looked what happened there, I fear EDI might go the same way one day. With BA they can affo
45 BY738 : Wouldnt be particularly helpful. If business travellers thought this was a useful option theyd already be using it, and it is certainly not convenien
46 LondonCity : Yes, you are correct. The train firms are following the airlines and marketing a host of special fares in both standard and first class. Flexible rai
47 LH121GLA : Sadly, no. LH has no FRA-GLA service. The only Star connecting possibilities to/from GLA now will be BD via CPH, CO/UA via EWR and US via PHL (season
48 skipness1E : You are very wrong. Without the point to point flexible and expensive tickets, the business model doesn't generate profit. Given the comparably bette
49 shamrock604 : Dublin isnt in the United Kingdom....... DUB has also had an extra daily flight added from the start of the summer schedule.[Edited 2011-02-01 19:04:
50 YVRLTN : Genuine question as I have been gone from the UK 5 years now. Would ABZ have a good chance of staying due to premium heavy oil traffic? Connections a
51 nighthawk : From working in the oil industry, I know that whenever we sent guys abroad they always flew either BA or KLM. I dont recall anyone in our company fly
52 Humberside : Also TOM charter from LGW 2xWeek Though a new weekly Brussels Airlines flight aside (primarily for a tour operator), bmi will be the only Star airlin
53 AirNZ : Of course you can, and just exactly the same as with air travel. Despite what some would repeatedly claim on this board, there is absolutely very lit
54 BrianDromey : I would guess you might be right, but BD is the inky UK carrier on pretty much every route they fly. Might give them the edge in some markets.
55 shamrock604 : Well, that obviously depends on the airline - I've been with two carriers who do/did about 20% of their ticket sales the day of or before departure,
56 NorthstarBoy : Well, I guess BD just proved me wrong. I had always assumed that with UA's emphasis on hub to hub international service that once the SOC came along a
57 nighthawk : not in a million years would that work! If they dropped GLA-EWR, the passengers would all switch to US Airways service to PHL instead, plus you may s
58 skipness1E : American's Chicago transatlantic operation has wound down in favour of JFK so I think *IF* they were to try again it would be a seasonal New York. Un
59 lhr380 : What do you mean by "inky" ?
60 AirNZ : I'm always curious by this on here. Could you thus perhaps explain to me how, with LHR passengers numbers, 'everyone' seemingly according to a.net ma
61 UAL777UK : Never a truer word. This has also been lost on me.
62 AIR MALTA : I agree on that... While some people really hate to transit via LHR, some others really like it and prefer avoiding CDG and FRA for a Terminal 5 tran
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