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U.S. Airlines To Drop 2,000 Flights Tomorrow  
User currently offlineUA191 From Canada, joined Apr 2010, 53 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10762 times:

UA, DL, CO and other large U.S. carriers canceled almost 2,000 flights scheduled for tomorrow because of a winter storm moving across the Midwestern U.S.

Also heard that AC will be cancelling numerous flights out of YYZ tomorrow, with UA hauling all ORD ops. This winter sure has been a huge nuisance to all airlines in North America!

News Article: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...ts-tomorrow-on-storm-update1-.html


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User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10611 times:

MKE and ORD have been upgraded to a blizzard warning for tomorrow 2/1. I believe ORD will get more snow, but the National Weather Service is still saying that some parts of SE Wisconsin will see 2 Feet of snow. Milwaukee has not see a real blizzard since January 1999.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18711 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10542 times:

This is probably a good thing. It means that people can know ahead of time that their flights will be canceled and plan accordingly, rather than spending long, frustrating days at the airport and, worse, trapped on planes.

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7281 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10513 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):

This is probably a good thing. It means that people can know ahead of time that their flights will be canceled and plan accordingly, rather than spending long, frustrating days at the airport and, worse, trapped on planes.

I agree, though on an ironic sidenote, I know DL did that a few months ago in ATL and there was hardly any snow at all (in fact, I think it was just a little rain!) This storm's gonna be a doozie for sure



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User currently offlineskysurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10202 times:

Air Canada's website has a list of airports that they're monitoring over the next two days due to various conditions (ie ice, snow, extreme cold, atc etc). Well worth a look.

Cheers

Stu



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User currently offlinemfe777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9816 times:

Expect DFW to be shut down for at least awhile. We don't do well with snow and ice....... AA is going to have big problems in ORD, JFK, and DFW.

User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9400 times:

Quoting UA191 (Thread starter):
Also heard that AC will be cancelling numerous flights out of YYZ tomorrow

So far, only 21 cancellations show - no international destinations, 2 domestic (Stu's right about YGK) & 19 transborder.



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User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9263 times:

Quoting mfe777 (Reply 5):

Expect DFW to be shut down for at least awhile. We don't do well with snow and ice....... AA is going to have big problems in ORD, JFK, and DFW.

Yep. The only times I've been kept out of DFW have been for ice and snow, in that order.



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User currently offlinedowntown273 From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8792 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
It means that people can know ahead of time that their flights will be canceled and plan accordingly, rather than spending long, frustrating days at the airport and, worse, trapped on planes.

What's the regulation in the US for these situations? Are the passengers entitled to hotel accommodation and food vouchers if their flights get canceled due to adverse weather?


User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3842 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8681 times:

DFW is officially shut down. My brother was trying to get out early this morning--made it to the gate, and wasn't until they were about to board that the airport decided to shut down. Apparently, the weather noticeably worsened between the time he got up to go to the airport and he etd.

User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8654 times:

Jetblue @ JFK will be ceasing its operations at 0930 today. Everything is cancelled into tomorrow.


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User currently offlineIcarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8445 times:

All Air France flights to JFK & EWR have been cancelled too.


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User currently offlinebluewhale18210 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7957 times:

Quoting downtown273 (Reply 8):
What's the regulation in the US for these situations? Are the passengers entitled to hotel accommodation and food vouchers if their flights get canceled due to adverse weather?

No. Passengers aren't entitled to anything when the interruption is due to weather. That being said, airlines usually try to get them out as quickly as they can.



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User currently offlinesuseJ772 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 794 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7525 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
I agree, though on an ironic sidenote, I know DL did that a few months ago in ATL and there was hardly any snow at all (in fact, I think it was just a little rain!) This storm's gonna be a doozie for sure

It was more than just rain. It was a pretty big ice storm, and what is worse, the entire metro city of Atlanta has something like 11 snow plows / salt trucks. 285 looked like someone drove a Zamboni over it. Pictures here

[Edited 2011-02-01 07:12:35]


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User currently offlineDamenhandle From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5562 times:

Some updates from the Chicago Tribune:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...er-20110201,0,7578054.story?page=2

"Airlines serving O’Hare International Airport have preemptively canceled more than 1,100 flights, the Chicago Department of Aviation said today."


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5425 times:

Without starting any battles here, I am curious to know between DL, AA and UA, which airline is most vulnerable to these major storm events based on the geography of their major hubs.

I would think AA as it would seem that their hubs (DFW, ORD, MIA, JFK/LGA) are spread out the most. Storms that hit DFW sometime hit ORD, but usually a day or two later and a different fashion...same thing between ORD and JFK/LGA.

UA (DEN, IAH, ORD, CLE, IAD, EWR) seems vulnerable with IAD and EWR since they seem to be hit by the same events within hours of each other. ORD and CLE typically seem the same weather events but CLE may go away. The rest of the hubs don't seem to be hit with the same patterns as much.

DL (MSP, MEM, DTW, CVG, ATL, JFK) seem most vulnerable with MSP and DTW often seeing the same weather system. I would think MEM and ATL also see the same storms. I know ATL and JFK will see the same storm but usually with more separation...

Of course, I didn't include hubs west of the Rockies since the weather patterns seem to be quite different...

Curious to know your thoughts.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8095 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

Quoting us330 (Reply 9):
DFW is officially shut down.

DFW is officially open. AA's operations may be severely curtailed, but DFW is only showing general arrival delays for the time being.



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User currently offlinethrufru From Marshall Islands, joined Feb 2009, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

Weather and other occurrences lumped under the category "acts of god" (ie: the Icelandic volcano) effectively absolve US Carriers of responsibility in the short term (though they are still raponsible to fulfill the contract of carriage and get you to your destination). Also acts of war and terrorism fall under this category. Remember all the stories of people opening their homes to stranded travelers in London and Canada during 9/11.

Pretty much what it comes down to is that if it is beyond the carriers control, they aren't financially penalized.


User currently offlinejmw99ttu From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

WFAA in Dallas just reported that Love Field is closed again. I'm supposed to fly out of there to HOU this afternoon but my flight just canceled. Current hold time is 47 - 107 minutes at SWA. SWA.com says I must call to change my reservation. Good times!

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8095 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5173 times:

Quoting jmw99ttu (Reply 18):
Good times!

At least you aren't calling India!



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User currently offlinejmw99ttu From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4826 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 19):
Quoting jmw99ttu (Reply 18):
Good times!

At least you aren't calling India!

Excellent point! Now at 53 minutes of hold time. It's all good though, I'm in the comfy chair with my feet by the fire. It could be much much worse.


User currently offlinen92r03 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

Just saw a graphic on one of the cable news channels that showed 6300 flights cancelled. Wow.

User currently offlineDamenhandle From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 21):
Just saw a graphic on one of the cable news channels that showed 6300 flights cancelled. Wow.

That would seem to be right. ORD is not going to be taking takeoff/landings for about two days, so thats a big chunk of that right there.


User currently offlineusafret From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

STL still getting snow over a layer of ice and sleet SE of the city. But areas N of I-70 (including Lambert) got a lot more snow. In contrast, I-70 W is closed from Warrenton to Kansas City. High winds and very cold temps tomorrow will hamper snow removal at STL plus de-icing. No precip Thurs, but record cold temps, will moderate starting Friday. Lambert (STL) is a mini hub for WN and AA, DL, UA and CO have flights into STL.

User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8869 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 15):
DL (MSP, MEM, DTW, CVG, ATL, JFK) seem most vulnerable with MSP and DTW often seeing the same weather system. I would think MEM and ATL also see the same storms. I know ATL and JFK will see the same storm but usually with more separation...

MSP should be operating fine. It's been dry here all day, about a half-inch of light snow last night and nothing serious since we got about 4 inches of snow on Sunday night - nothing too crazy though and it was pretty much over with before the morning departures.

DTW and JFK will be the two hubs facing the most damage from this storm from a DL perspective.


25 Post contains links bioyuki : Flight Aware has a great real time cancellation tracker here: http://flightaware.com/live/cancelled Currently 6473 flights have been cancelled today
26 DeltaMD90 : Nah, I meant way before that. The ice storm we just had was pretty bad. Had to drive through it a bit!
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