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JetBlue Moves FLL-LGB To LAX.  
User currently offlinejetmarc From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 551 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8975 times:

Got an email today, moving the FLL flight to LAX beginning in May. Already bookable on jetblue.com... Guess we're really going after Virgin America.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8990 times:
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Quoting jetmarc (Thread starter):
Guess we're really going after Virgin America.

More like JetBlue is once again going after Spirit Airlines, which operates FLL-LAX daily.


User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 816 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9000 times:

i was waiting for someone to post this...! *LOL* hopefully we'll be able to bring back a 2nd daily flight if loads/yields end up being good!

User currently offlineflyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 8786 times:

Quoting B6FA4ever (Reply 2):
hopefully we'll be able to bring back a 2nd daily flight if loads/yields end up being good!

If SFO is any indicator the answer may be no.

B6 has not challenged VX twice daily SFO service and LAX FLL is now 3X daily by VX.


If there is a weak player it is DL who has much higher costs and while complimentary to LAX the route is not a core.

Quoting jetmarc (Thread starter):
Guess we're really going after Virgin America.

Perhaps this move is to see if the problem is LGB. It great little fortress but they are slot limited and any LAX expansion will run head on to heavy LCC and legacy competition.

I know many on here think VX is hardly worth mentioning but they have the most seats in LAX FLL and key routes like LAXJFK. B6 is a good airline but their domestic long haul transcon revenue performance is surprisingly low.
This is precisely why they have focused on Caribbean and mid range BOS expansion.


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 8693 times:

How many gates does B6 have in LAX? Could we see some western AA-B6 colaboration sometime in the near future?


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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 8681 times:

I really doubt anyone will be able to chase VX off the route. They are attracting quite a low following at LAX in general and they are the only ones to have twice a day frequency. They have the best product on the route period

User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 816 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 8593 times:

Quoting flyingcat (Reply 3):
If SFO is any indicator the answer may be no.

i've never worked the SFO-FLL flights so i can't compare (load wise).


also, i feel bad for any of our customers along the west coast that are flying to FLL now. instead of the easy connection via LGB... it'll be a huge P.I.T.A to have to connect thru BOS or JFK. (people do it...but its quite out of the way).


User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 8543 times:
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I fully belive that DL will drop their FLL to LAX route and introduce a MIA to LAX. I know that AA has this route locked down but its higher yielding then FLL and it gets DL away from the LCC battle that's about to go down. It will go towards their recent MIA expansion they have been focusing on.

User currently offlineGenYBusTrvlr From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 8453 times:

Quoting jetmarc (Thread starter):
Guess we're really going after Virgin America.

Silly move by B6 management if that's the reason, IMO. VX's product and service is 1000x better than JetBlue and these two players tend to publish identical prices in markets where they compete. VX will win ever time for me.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 8450 times:

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 7):
I fully belive that DL will drop their FLL to LAX route and introduce a MIA to LAX. I know that AA has this route locked down but its higher yielding then FLL and it gets DL away from the LCC battle that's about to go down. It will go towards their recent MIA expansion they have been focusing on.

That is an interesting idea. I don't know though. I think if delta cancels LAX-FLL i wouldn't assume they would add LAX-MIA but i guess its an option they could look into if fares really change with 3 LCCs. Wouldn't AA retaliate if delta added MIA-LAX? Could delta really compete against AAs flight schedule and frequencies? Isn't delta significantly stronger at FLL than in MIA? DL is the only legacy carrier on FLL-LAX which i think at least gives them a group of people of FFs in the business crowd that want the miles or travel via ATL or JFK constantly to Europe so they have some loyalty to delta when they need to travel to the LA metro. I don't see as strong a delta following at MIA if moved than in FLL just my guess though. It does seem like a legitimate option for them and as you said adds to their MIA operation and gets away from 3 LCCs so maybe?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25148 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 8381 times:

Quoting flyingcat (Reply 3):
Perhaps this move is to see if the problem is LGB. It great little fortress but they are slot limited and any LAX expansion will run head on to heavy LCC and legacy competition.

If you notice B6 has reshaped LGB from a transcon destination to now being 2/3 Western US regional flying.

Looking at DOT data, the numbers seems to be working with virtually double the yields on many city pairs compared to what they were earning running transcons.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 4):
How many gates does B6 have in LAX?

With their recent terminal move eventualy they will have access to 6+ common use gates.

But look for more growth at LAX, atleast enough to keep 2 gates pretty utilized..... They have made public comments that even international flying from LAX could be upcoming, while LAX could serve as a base for Pacific code-share partnerships

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 4):
Could we see some western AA-B6 colaboration sometime in the near future?

What does B6 give AA at LAX? Maybe in reverse B6 can buy seats on AE for regional connections, however otherwise I see no point.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 9):
Could delta really compete against AAs flight schedule and frequencies?

Would be very hard. UA found out that 2 x daily to MIA does not do much when AA does it 8(soon to be 10) x day plus has all the connectivity and feed.

[Edited 2011-01-31 23:54:22]


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 8334 times:
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Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 7):
I fully belive that DL will drop their FLL to LAX route and introduce a MIA to LAX. I know that AA has this route locked down but its higher yielding then FLL and it gets DL away from the LCC battle that's about to go down. It will go towards their recent MIA expansion they have been focusing on.

It is high yielding since AA benefits from high yielding O&D traffic between LAX and MIA (the B772 will soon return on AA299/AA1520 daily), international connecting pax transiting between LAX and Latin America and the Caribbean via MIA, etc. Plus at LAX, AA offers international connections to AKL, BNE, HKG, MEL, NRT, SYD, and soon PVG.


User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 8335 times:

Quoting jetmarc (Thread starter):
...Guess we're really going after Virgin America.

Yes, and no. JetBlue is also running out of Socal real estate. it may very well be that they've determined it's more effective PLF-wise to simply put the route in the epicenter of the traffic draw at LAX and sparing a LGB slot for something else.



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User currently offlinesurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 8294 times:

Quoting jetmarc (Thread starter):
moving the FLL flight to LAX beginning in May.

Interesting. I figured the recent move to T3 was done to provide an opportunity for B6 to grow at LAX, but I would have never thought FLL would be the first non-JFK/BOS addition out of there.

I wonder if they will have a press release, touting that LAX is the area's preferred gateway to Florida or some such nonsense. Even if the Angelenos (or Floridians, as I'm not sure who it is that fills these flights) prefer this change, the airline gains a lot of direct competition while losing all the feed/connectivity that LGB offers. Seems like a desperate last-ditch attempt to maintain some sort of profitable presence in this key transcon market...

Quoting jetmarc (Thread starter):
Guess we're really going after Virgin America.

Why do you think that? I don't think VX really has anything to do with it, though it's no secret that they have done well on LAX-FLL.

I think it has more to do with B6 finding short and medium hauls out of LGB to be relatively more profitable (though we aren't even sure if LGB even makes them any money) than the long hauls...

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 1):
More like JetBlue is once again going after Spirit Airlines, which operates FLL-LAX daily.

Once again? Other than the brief scuffle over Florida-Puerto Rico (specifically the secondary PR markets), the airlines have rarely stepped on each others' toes. Out of FLL, B6 has really only added Northeastern markets and a handful of Latin American markets (CUN, NAS, SJU, and SDQ) where they are very, very strong. If B6 started doing FLL-ORD, FLL-STI, FLL-KIN, etc. then yes, I'd say they were going after NK. But we haven't seen any recent additions like that.

Quoting B6FA4ever (Reply 2):
hopefully we'll be able to bring back a 2nd daily flight if loads/yields end up being good!

Honestly, at this point, I would simply be hoping that the route is not cut altogether.

Quoting flyingcat (Reply 3):

If SFO is any indicator the answer may be no.

   I believe B6 has reduced SFO-FLL to a less-than-daily service, while VX has maintained 2x daily?

Unless B6 starts adding more Caribbean/Latin American stuff out of FLL (thus providing connectivity beyond FLL that VX cannot), I just can't see B6 being able to maintain the FLL-California routes against VX's superior product and schedule.

Quoting flyingcat (Reply 3):
If there is a weak player it is DL who has much higher costs and while complimentary to LAX the route is not a core.

I wouldn't be so sure. VX clearly dominates the LAX-FLL route these days, and NK won't be going anywhere either. DL has a lot of history (and FFs) in South Florida and So Cal, and flying them can mean accruing valuable miles towards long haul international alliance travel that none of the LCCs can offer. Plus, DL now has quite a bit of regional feed at LAX (SFO, SAN, LAS, SMF, PHX, SLC, etc.) PLUS connections to places like Hawaii, Tokyo, and Sydney.

B6 is top dog at LGB, but simply a little fish in the big pond at LAX. All they have going for them is a few connections - CUN, NAS, SJU, SDQ - on the FLL end, IF the schedules work out. I am assuming they will operate the eastbound sector as a redeye, just like everyone else. I wish them the best of luck, as they will need it!

Quoting flyingcat (Reply 3):
Perhaps this move is to see if the problem is LGB.

Agreed. They keep complaining about the strict slot cap at LGB, yet they can't even seem to decide what to do with what they already have. Cut from here, add this; no wait..cut that and then restore what we did before...

A.netters keep saying LGB just doesn't produce the yields that nearby LAX (or even SNA) do. That has historically been the case (just ask AS, AA, or UA), and I think B6 is starting to worry that increasing rents - thanks to the brand new terminal - will make the situation even worse than it is now.

I really wonder what their LGB ops would look like if the airport didn't have a strict slot restriction. Do you guys think they would still be flying BOS 3x daily, JFK 4x daily, LAS and OAK 8x daily, etc.?

Quoting flyingcat (Reply 3):
It great little fortress but they are slot limited and any LAX expansion will run head on to heavy LCC and legacy competition.

B6 has publicly stated that LAX has done very well for them, and the schedule today (versus what they started with a few years ago) is testament to that. B6 is certainly not afraid to compete against anyone, and with the yield potential at LAX greater than LGB, they may stand to gain from transferring as much service over as they can.

Quoting flyingcat (Reply 3):
I know many on here think VX is hardly worth mentioning but they have the most seats in LAX FLL and key routes like LAXJFK.

I assume you mean that VX has the most seats on LAX-FLL, and flies key routes like LAX-JFK? I am pretty sure VX does not offer more seats on LAX-JFK than AA or DL.

Quoting flyingcat (Reply 3):
B6 is a good airline but their domestic long haul transcon revenue performance is surprisingly low.

Really? B6 cut a number of transcons during the fuel spike and recession, but has added many of them back (with the notable exception of the IAD routes). Surely they must do fairly well, especially the somewhat less-competitive routes like JFK-SAN or BOS-SEA where B6 offers a far superior product to the competition...

Quoting flyingcat (Reply 3):
This is precisely why they have focused on Caribbean and mid range BOS expansion.

Question is, how much more can they add in both realms? There are only so many islands left that can handle jets, and most B6 stations already see service to BOS. I think we will soon see a shift away from these as they have done almost everything they can already...

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 4):
How many gates does B6 have in LAX?

I would like to know this as well. They were stuck with one? over in T6, but maybe they have 2 now that they are in T3. I imagine when AS moves over to T6 (leaving about half of T3 vacant) B6 will have a golden opportunity to grow at LAX.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 4):
Could we see some western AA-B6 colaboration sometime in the near future?

I doubt it. B6 still has its sole Western hub at LGB, an airport that AA doesn't (and can't) serve. I believe most B6 additions from LAX will not be intra-West stuff, but mid-hauls or long-hauls that would more often than not compete against AA. AS remains AA's Western partner, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 5):
I really doubt anyone will be able to chase VX off the route. They are attracting quite a low following at LAX in general and they are the only ones to have twice a day frequency. They have the best product on the route period

VX really is making major inroads to the LA market. I imagine B6 is doing well on its current LAX routes thanks to its loyal customer bases in NYC and Boston. Most of the Angelenos that like B6 still think of them as the LGB (or BUR) airline!

Also, don't underestimate the popularity of that twice daily schedule. A lot of people HATE redeyes, and should you wish to avoid one but take a n/s from LAX to FLL, then VX is your only option.

Quoting B6FA4ever (Reply 6):
i feel bad for any of our customers along the west coast that are flying to FLL now. instead of the easy connection via LGB... it'll be a huge P.I.T.A to have to connect thru BOS or JFK. (people do it...but its quite out of the way).

To be fair, the people connecting from the West to FLL are mostly extremely low-yielding to begin with. I doubt B6 cares about them at all. They are ostensibly trying to gain traction in the LA and South Florida markets...



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User currently offlineflyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 8285 times:

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 13):
I am pretty sure VX does not offer more seats on LAX-JFK than AA or DL.

Sorry meant to say that VX flies more seats than B6 in LAXJFK with 6X daily.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 8273 times:
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Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 13):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 1):
More like JetBlue is once again going after Spirit Airlines, which operates FLL-LAX daily.

Once again? Other than the brief scuffle over Florida-Puerto Rico (specifically the secondary PR markets), the airlines have rarely stepped on each others' toes. Out of FLL, B6 has really only added Northeastern markets and a handful of Latin American markets (CUN, NAS, SJU, and SDQ) where they are very, very strong. If B6 started doing FLL-ORD, FLL-STI, FLL-KIN, etc. then yes, I'd say they were going after NK. But we haven't seen any recent additions like that.

Perhaps B6 is building up a decent domestic network BEFORE launching more international flights. IMO, B6 should also consider adding FLL-MCO and FLL-TPA.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7146 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 8218 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 9):
Isn't delta significantly stronger at FLL than in MIA?

Not any more DL has more flights out of MIA not then FLL I am pretty sure. DL does dailies from MIA to JFK, ATL, MEM, CVG, MSP and DCA. And will soon start daily to MCO, TPA and LHR. Along with Saturday service to RDU. DL has been building up MIA a bit and it would not surprise me at all if DL started MIA-LAX. They are competing with AA on an old AA monopoly route MIA-DCA which AA does 9 daily flights now DL does 2 daily MIA-DCA.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8803 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 8187 times:
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Quoting flymia (Reply 16):

Not any more DL has more flights out of MIA not then FLL I am pretty sure. DL does dailies from MIA to JFK, ATL, MEM, CVG, MSP and DCA. And will soon start daily to MCO, TPA and LHR. Along with Saturday service to RDU. DL has been building up MIA a bit and it would not surprise me at all if DL started MIA-LAX. They are competing with AA on an old AA monopoly route MIA-DCA which AA does 9 daily flights now DL does 2 daily MIA-DCA.

Interesting to note that along with the daily LAX-FLL service, DL operates ATL-FLL 13x daily (ATL-MIA is 11x daily), FLL-TLH daily (CRJ), BDL-FLL 2x daily (seasonal), and LGA-FLL 6x daily, (reverts back to 5x daily soon).


User currently offlinejetmarc From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 551 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 7906 times:

I wonder this... LGB currently isn't an LOD base (no routes requiring Spanish speaking F/As) but the FLL crew base is and launching FLL-LAX in May could coincide with any new destinations announced for this summer. We are supposed to announce new routes on our 11th anniversary - have no idea what. But if it is anything int'l out of LAX, FLL LOD F/As could crew pairings to Mexico and Central America from LAX, via the new FLL flight (pairing examples: FLL-LAX-BZE or SAL).. just an idea.

[Edited 2011-02-01 07:03:04]


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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 7847 times:

LGB has done well for B6, but they realize they are now boxed in a corner with no room to grow.

I would look for a migration of the long hauls out of LGB (except JFK and BOS) with more growth and frequency to west coast destinations to replace the lost flights.

It's a shame . . . i think B6 would really grow LGB, but they can not due to slots.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17442 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 7794 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
If you notice B6 has reshaped LGB from a transcon destination to now being 2/3 Western US regional flying.

   Fares to LGB are terrible, whether it's transcon or intra California. There very clearly is a fare premium at LAX and I think B6 is going after that, and a distant second after VX and NK.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 19):
LGB has done well for B6, but they realize they are now boxed in a corner with no room to grow.

I don't think that's the case at all. Maybe once upon a time LGB did well but B6 has reduced transcons from LGB from about a dozen a day to five.

Quoting surfandsnow (Reply 13):
I don't think VX really has anything to do with it, though it's no secret that they have done well on LAX-FLL.

I'd find that hard to believe with B6 *and* NK pricing in the market.



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User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1438 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 7784 times:

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 7):
I fully belive that DL will drop their FLL to LAX route and introduce a MIA to LAX.

Surprised they haven't as of yet.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 9):
Wouldn't AA retaliate if delta added MIA-LAX?

For adding one or two flights just to service their own SkyTeam customers?

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 9):
Could delta really compete against AAs flight schedule and frequencies?

No but that's not what's needed here.
DL (read SkyTeam) needs to cater to its existing FF base, which is pretty significant in South Florida and expanding.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 9):
DL is the only legacy carrier on FLL-LAX which i think at least gives them a group of people of FFs in the business crowd that want the miles or travel via ATL or JFK constantly to Europe so they have some loyalty to delta when they need to travel to the LA metro.

Would be nice to see some stats on yields on this route to see if DL has an edge on premium traffic.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 11):
Plus at LAX, AA offers international connections to AKL, BNE, HKG, MEL, NRT, SYD, and soon PVG.

Not sure how many daily pax flow between MIA-SYD-MIA but DL could certainly compete for that traffic.Also NRT, Hawaii, and some other Asian SkyTeam members' destination can be in play here.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17442 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 7729 times:

Quoting peanuts (Reply 21):
Would be nice to see some stats on yields on this route to see if DL has an edge on premium traffic.

DL tends to be around B6 fare levels in Transcons, including this one.



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User currently offlineicebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 7625 times:

Quoting flyingcat (Reply 3):
Perhaps this move is to see if the problem is LGB.

There are a couple of reasons for this move.

1. Free up a slot for the LGB-ANC route starting in May.
2. FLL was the lowest performing market out of LGB so higher yields from LAX will be better.
3. LGB will pretty much be a short/medium haul market as I hear only red-eye flights will be the only long-haul flights from LGB within the next couple of years.



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User currently offlinepsa1011 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 7537 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
Not any more DL has more flights out of MIA not then FLL I am pretty sure. DL does dailies from MIA to JFK, ATL, MEM, CVG, MSP and DCA. And will soon start daily to MCO, TPA and LHR. Along with Saturday service to RDU. DL has been building up MIA a bit and it would not surprise me at all if DL started MIA-LAX. They are competing with AA on an old AA monopoly route MIA-DCA which AA does 9 daily flights now DL does 2 daily MIA-DCA.

And UA/CO would probably want a piece of the LAX-FLL/MIA market at this point.


25 SCL767 : With QF's new SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD service soon approaching, oneworld will be able to offer their customers even more options for travel to and from Austr
26 Post contains images ScottB : LGB made sense for B6 when they had a CASM of 6 or 7 cents -- back in the pre-2005 timeframe when fuel was cheap and their crews were all at the bott
27 slcdeltarumd11 : Dosnt FLL have alot more seats though? It looks like FLL has alot more seats to me just a quick glance more flights and larger planes. I always thoug
28 pit : The open slot is for ANC
29 N623JB : I agree. JetBlue has interest of starting LAX-Mexico and other Central America cities. I hope it does happen. But also, I hope that they get a 3rd ai
30 SCL767 : B6 will continue to increase its operations at BOS and into the Caribbean in the near-term, (JFK-PLS and BOS-PLS commence next month). B6 plans on cr
31 Post contains images enilria : probably That's a good guess. I think DL has bigger plans for BOS. B6 is not a stranger to retaliation so that's a factor. More interesting is B6 con
32 deltaflyertoo : B6 def. missed the LAX boat with going with LGB. LAXIn't pointed out the interwest is doing well, I see why, but I think B6 should maybe make LGB a de
33 N623JB : How about an asian codeshare/interline agreement from the westcoast? Its because I dont see JetBlue would want to codeshare with a Latin American car
34 icebird757 : I think this needs to happen sooner than later. TAM out of JFK for a start.
35 SCL767 : JetBlue's interline agreement with American Airlines already covers Buenos Aires, Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo from JFK. TrueBlue members can also ea
36 flymia : From FLL: ATL, CVG, DTW, MEM, MSP, JFK, LGA, LAX, TLH and BDL which is ending in April From MIA: ATL, CVG, DTW, MEM, MSP, JFK, DCA, MCO, TPA, LHR, JA
37 GenYBusTrvlr : I agree! VX is to airplanes as Apple is to computers. Following my first flight a little less than a year ago, I abandoned all loyalty to my mileage
38 BOACCunard : DL actually had what one would now call a "focus city" at MIA, way before there was such a thing.
39 SCL767 : I disagree; especially since B6 has publicly stated that they are interested in entering into an interline agreement with a Latin American carrier(s)
40 PacificClipper : You would think, but the new UA mgmnt seem to be sitting on the sidelines here. LAX-MIA would offer UA's loyal FFers a relatively easy connection fro
41 N623JB : It seems to me that JetBlue has to improve their inflight service comparing to other airlines. JetBlue is a great airline and people should try them o
42 SCL767 : JetBlue only operates one route into South America, MCO-BOG daily (A-320). The route is currently operating at 5x weekly but will revert back to dail
43 Santi319 : I don't see that happening NK's 319 take off weight restricted to LIM in the summer, I don't see how B6 could make it work?
44 jfklganyc : "More interesting is B6 continued decline of interest in LGB." I think it's more of renewed interest in LGB as a regional focus city. The short and me
45 N623JB : " B6 is also a U.S. LCC, and their service standards compared to LAN's are a joke! ". That was stated earlier. So i presume that they need to improve
46 N757ST : Jetblue has more inflight economy ammenities then every US airline with the possible exception of Virgin America.
47 Byrdluvs747 : Please detail these "amenities", and do not list Direct TV since that doesnt work on intl flights.
48 N757ST : Ok, Free movies on international flights. Free direct TV in the lower 48 Free XM radio in the lower 48 Free unlimited snacks Free unlimited beverages
49 flyingcat : VX sells real food not boxed snacks wifi - betablue is not comprehensive enough. Power plugs at every seat On demand menu ordering especially convenie
50 Post contains images N623JB : I know I may say it again,but JetBlue may have to improve their service to be more attractive to customers. Be more attractive then Virgin America.But
51 slcdeltarumd11 : Why cant u list direct tv is Why on Earth isn't Direct Tv an amenity? Its what sets B6 so much better than the legacies and its most obvious differenc
52 N623JB : Oh by the way guys, do you think that JetBlue is going to open up ISP as a new bluecity? ISP-Florida?
53 GenYBusTrvlr : Hardly the case First Class vs. No First Class Real Food vs. Blue Chips Nicely dressed, service oriented flight attendants vs. sloppy golf shirt wear
54 laca773 : B6 was also a huge hit for many who don't like flying out of LAX and rather fly them to JFK from LGB as well as BOS. I believe the gates they are usi
55 N623JB : JetBlue in a way has 1st class,but its the whole plane that does,not just the front of the plane. Also, they have more than just Terra Blues Chips, t
56 commavia : Saw numbers today for YE 3Q10: Delta's average fare on LAX-FLL is $160, JetBlue's is $137, Virgin's is $205, and Spirit's is $129. (Interestingly, AA
57 flyingcat : Betablue is not something the general public would call wifi, current functionality is limited to email, instant messenger and Amazon. Jetblue will n
58 GenYBusTrvlr : Fair enough, you like JetBlue - but really "the whole plane is first class." Step back into reality. How can you even compare a 55" pitch 2x2 seat wi
59 phllax : Interesting. I wonder if Virgin's higher average is due to them having fewer fare classes than DL. Interestingly enough DL is usually less expensive
60 slcdeltarumd11 : Virgin Americas seat in First Class is what brings in that price difference. VX First Class versus deltas domestic first seat on the 320/738 isnt eve
61 N623JB : Soo, Whats new with JetBlue? any rumors going around about expansion? lol.
62 Post contains links jetmarc : What about this? http://www.banderasnews.com/0807/to-jetblue.htm
63 N623JB : Damm..what about TLC-JFK? At least they can probably get in to Mexico City(hopefully). I hope that TLC is not considered a Mexico City in the Bilatera
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