KBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5352 times:
20 years ago today, USAir flight 1493, a Boeing 737-300 (N388US) operating SYR-DCA-CMH-LAX-SFO crashed into a SkyWest Metroliner (N683AV) operating flight 5569 LAX-PMD upon landing at LAX as the Metroliner was awaiting clearance to take off. All aboard the Metroliner were killed as were 22 aboard the 733, including the captain. May they all R.I.P.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 27673 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5138 times:
I was working that evening here at LAX, and things were surreal.
While on oneside of the airport we had flaming wreck, much of the rest of the airport especially on the Southside continued to operate without missing a beat. Flights came and went, while a tragedy was only feet away.
Biggest operational issue that evening was for T-3 and TBIT northside carriers whom could not access their gates. United Airlines opened up their hangar facilities and carriers like BA parked there and bussed their pax to TBIT.
I vividly remember viewing the wreckage in the coming days. Strong smell of gasoline and burned items lingered for a while.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
thegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5103 times:
During FA training my class watched a USAir produced video of the crash. The surviving crew members stories were incredible. The 1L door was crushed in the crash, and the 1R took awhile to open. In the mean time the cabin was filled with heavy smoke. Flight 1493's Captain was the only person killed on the 737 in the crash. A flight attendant and some passengers died from the smoke.
richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4454 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5094 times:
Quoting SEPilot (Reply 1): I believe this accident caused ATC to abandon "take position and hold" for takeoffs; if you are awaiting takeoff clearance you wait before the runway, not on the threshold.
Quoting N766UA (Reply 3): You mean temporarily? It's certainly a very, very common practice today. Well, it's "line up and wait" now, but, same thing.
SEPilot, I don't think this is correct. Airliners are instructed to 'take position and hold' on the active runway all the time.
I do believe that this crash changed takeoff and landing runways at airports with multiple or parallel runways. For example, at JFK, most landings will be on one runway and most takeoffs will be on another. It doesn't always work that way but for the most part this is the case at larger airports now.
As with any major disaster, there were several events that were causal for this crash, not least of which was the confusion by the controller who forgot the Metroliner was holding on the runway. She became confused by a second Metroliner holding short and she muddled the two. The array of lights on the runway, taxiway and from other ground aircraft also prevented the 737 pilots from noticing an aircraft in front of them as they approached the runway - by the time they realized it, it was too late.
CWAFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 698 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4330 times:
Quoting richierich (Reply 6): SEPilot, I don't think this is correct. Airliners are instructed to 'take position and hold' on the active runway all the time.
The verbiage was changed to "Line up and wait" several months ago.
KBUF, thanks for mentioning this incident. I knew both the captain and F/O on the SkyWest flight. I wasn't working the night of the incident, but was working the next two days until the North complex opened back up. Horrible memory, but glad to pay tribute to all that died that night.
LONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 761 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4260 times:
This accident changed the phraseology associated with controllers issuing instructions to aircraft on final and aircraft put in position.
When an aircraft is told to line up and wait a controller must issue traffic associated with that runway. For example, "Delta 514, runway 31L, line up and wait, TRAFFIC, a CRJ on a 8 mile final."
Also when an aircraft checks in on the local tower freq on an approach inbound to land, a controller shall issue traffic if it is in position or will depart. For example United 34 checks in with tower. "United 34,____ tower, runway 22 continue, traffic holding in position." OR "United 34, ____ tower, runway 22 continue, 1 departure prior to your arrival."
The above phraseology shall be used by tower controllers in the Unites States. If not, it is considered an operational error.
ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13622 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4187 times:
I remember that this occurred in the early evening time here on the east coast and being extensively covered live by CNN at the time. A terrible accident that we have learned from but at a horrible cost.
etops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3097 times:
My good friend William (Bill) Ibarra was one of the FA's on board that flight .He still flies for us today at USAirways. Hearing him telling the story about it to this day still brings chills up my spine .
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 8625 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3083 times:
Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 10):
Here's a YouTube video of the "Air Crash Investigation" episode in question:
US 1493 & OO 5569
Source: National Geographic
Tragic. RIP to all, and we can at least know that their deaths were not in vain--many things came from this accident. The real tragedies are crashes that produce no changes and is repeated... meaning those who perished in the first incident died in vain
planespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3547 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3038 times:
Quoting junction (Reply 2): This accident happened in the middle of a particularly bad stretch of mishaps for USAir in the period 1989-1994:
This was where they acquired the name "USscare," which took them quite a while to live down (I'm sure some still jokingly refer to them that way).
Quoting richierich (Reply 6): Airliners are instructed to 'take position and hold' on the active runway all the time.
Before it was changed to "line up and wait," I usually heard "taxi into position and hold," if the instruction was meant to direct the pilot to drive the airplane onto the departure end of the runway and stop.