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US 1493\OO 5569- 20 Years Ago Today  
User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 531 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

20 years ago today, USAir flight 1493, a Boeing 737-300 (N388US) operating SYR-DCA-CMH-LAX-SFO crashed into a SkyWest Metroliner (N683AV) operating flight 5569 LAX-PMD upon landing at LAX as the Metroliner was awaiting clearance to take off. All aboard the Metroliner were killed as were 22 aboard the 733, including the captain. May they all R.I.P.  

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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6899 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4657 times:

I believe this accident caused ATC to abandon "take position and hold" for takeoffs; if you are awaiting takeoff clearance you wait before the runway, not on the threshold.


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User currently offlinejunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4603 times:

This accident happened in the middle of a particularly bad stretch of mishaps for USAir in the period 1989-1994:


US5050 September 20, 1989 Boeing 737-401 Flushing, New York, New York Deflection of rudder during takeoff

US1493 February 1, 1991 Boeing 737-3B7 Los Angeles, California ATC controller separation error

US405 March 22, 1992 Fokker 28-4000 Flushing, New York, New York Improper deicing procedures, pilot error

US1016 July 2, 1994 McDonnell Douglas DC-9-32 Charlotte, North Carolina Windshear during missed approach

US427 September 8, 1994 Boeing 737-3B7 Hopewell Township, Beaver County, Pennsylvania Uncommanded rudder deflection


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8236 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 1):
I believe this accident caused ATC to abandon "take position and hold" for takeoffs; if you are awaiting takeoff clearance you wait before the runway, not on the threshold.

You mean temporarily? It's certainly a very, very common practice today. Well, it's "line up and wait" now, but, same thing.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4507 times:

I was working that evening here at LAX, and things were surreal.

While on oneside of the airport we had flaming wreck, much of the rest of the airport especially on the Southside continued to operate without missing a beat. Flights came and went, while a tragedy was only feet away.
Biggest operational issue that evening was for T-3 and TBIT northside carriers whom could not access their gates. United Airlines opened up their hangar facilities and carriers like BA parked there and bussed their pax to TBIT.

I vividly remember viewing the wreckage in the coming days. Strong smell of gasoline and burned items lingered for a while.



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User currently offlinethegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

During FA training my class watched a USAir produced video of the crash. The surviving crew members stories were incredible. The 1L door was crushed in the crash, and the 1R took awhile to open. In the mean time the cabin was filled with heavy smoke. Flight 1493's Captain was the only person killed on the 737 in the crash. A flight attendant and some passengers died from the smoke.

User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4248 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 1):
I believe this accident caused ATC to abandon "take position and hold" for takeoffs; if you are awaiting takeoff clearance you wait before the runway, not on the threshold.
Quoting N766UA (Reply 3):
You mean temporarily? It's certainly a very, very common practice today. Well, it's "line up and wait" now, but, same thing.

SEPilot, I don't think this is correct. Airliners are instructed to 'take position and hold' on the active runway all the time.

I do believe that this crash changed takeoff and landing runways at airports with multiple or parallel runways. For example, at JFK, most landings will be on one runway and most takeoffs will be on another. It doesn't always work that way but for the most part this is the case at larger airports now.

As with any major disaster, there were several events that were causal for this crash, not least of which was the confusion by the controller who forgot the Metroliner was holding on the runway. She became confused by a second Metroliner holding short and she muddled the two. The array of lights on the runway, taxiway and from other ground aircraft also prevented the 737 pilots from noticing an aircraft in front of them as they approached the runway - by the time they realized it, it was too late.

[Edited 2011-02-01 10:24:01]


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User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1243 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4150 times:

They stopped allowing intersection departures to Pos and Hold on the runway between dusk and sunrise after this accident.

User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4248 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4052 times:

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 7):
They stopped allowing intersection departures to Pos and Hold on the runway between dusk and sunrise after this accident.

That makes sense...



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10398 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

A guy I know from Skywest was killed in that crash. He had just been promoted from head of Skywest cargo at SLC to Station Manager at Palmdale. Sad day for all.


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User currently offlinephatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1354 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Here's a YouTube video of the "Air Crash Investigation" episode in question:

US 1493 & OO 5569
Source: National Geographic


User currently offlineCWAFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 669 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 6):
SEPilot, I don't think this is correct. Airliners are instructed to 'take position and hold' on the active runway all the time.

The verbiage was changed to "Line up and wait" several months ago.

KBUF, thanks for mentioning this incident. I knew both the captain and F/O on the SkyWest flight. I wasn't working the night of the incident, but was working the next two days until the North complex opened back up. Horrible memory, but glad to pay tribute to all that died that night.

[Edited 2011-02-01 17:55:02]

[Edited 2011-02-01 17:56:59]

User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

This accident changed the phraseology associated with controllers issuing instructions to aircraft on final and aircraft put in position.

When an aircraft is told to line up and wait a controller must issue traffic associated with that runway. For example, "Delta 514, runway 31L, line up and wait, TRAFFIC, a CRJ on a 8 mile final."

Also when an aircraft checks in on the local tower freq on an approach inbound to land, a controller shall issue traffic if it is in position or will depart. For example United 34 checks in with tower. "United 34,____ tower, runway 22 continue, traffic holding in position." OR "United 34, ____ tower, runway 22 continue, 1 departure prior to your arrival."

The above phraseology shall be used by tower controllers in the Unites States. If not, it is considered an operational error.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13096 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3556 times:

I remember that this occurred in the early evening time here on the east coast and being extensively covered live by CNN at the time. A terrible accident that we have learned from but at a horrible cost.

User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4248 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2584 times:

Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 11):
The verbiage was changed to "Line up and wait" several months ago.

Thank you for the correction... I am not a pilot, obviously!



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User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1077 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

My good friend William (Bill) Ibarra was one of the FA's on board that flight .He still flies for us today at USAirways. Hearing him telling the story about it to this day still brings chills up my spine .

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7893 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 10):

Here's a YouTube video of the "Air Crash Investigation" episode in question:

US 1493 & OO 5569
Source: National Geographic

Tragic. RIP to all, and we can at least know that their deaths were not in vain--many things came from this accident. The real tragedies are crashes that produce no changes and is repeated... meaning those who perished in the first incident died in vain  



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User currently offlineplanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

Quoting junction (Reply 2):
This accident happened in the middle of a particularly bad stretch of mishaps for USAir in the period 1989-1994:

This was where they acquired the name "USscare," which took them quite a while to live down (I'm sure some still jokingly refer to them that way).

Quoting richierich (Reply 6):
Airliners are instructed to 'take position and hold' on the active runway all the time.

Before it was changed to "line up and wait," I usually heard "taxi into position and hold," if the instruction was meant to direct the pilot to drive the airplane onto the departure end of the runway and stop.



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