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2nd Largest U.S-Asia Market, JFK Or SFO?  
User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7619 times:

I assume LAX is the top US-Asia market, but which is the secondary U.S-Asia market, SFO or JFK???

I've noticed the JFK-Asian market share has grown like crazy in the last few years. I assume JFK already passed SFO, correct??

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26169 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7580 times:

As of 2009 (with 2008 data I suppose) top US - Asia/Pacific passengers flown gateways.

Los Angeles - 7.3mil
San Francisco - 3.9mil
Honolulu - 3.7mil
Guam - 2.6mil
New York - 2.3mil (JFK 1.6mil / EWR 0.7)
Chicago - 1.9mil
Detroit - 1.0mil
Saipan - 0.8mil
Seattle - 0.8mil


Now for Atlantic NYC is by far #1.

[Edited 2011-02-01 12:41:41]


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User currently offlineFilipair From United States of America, joined May 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7482 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):

LAX intl, where do you find international travel data like these?


User currently offlinenetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7329 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Los Angeles - 7.3mil
San Francisco - 3.9mil
Honolulu - 3.7mil
Guam - 2.6mil
New York - 2.3mil (JFK 1.6mil / EWR 0.7)
Chicago - 1.9mil
Detroit - 1.0mil
Saipan - 0.8mil
Seattle - 0.8mil

Thanx LAXintl, that's what i was looking for... I guess I was thrown off by all the recent increases to JFK


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7220 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
New York - 2.3mil (JFK 1.6mil / EWR 0.7)

EWR is doing surprisingly okay considering practically all the Asian carriers go to JFK (except the low-frequency EVA flight and the low-density SQ flight)

SFO is doing well as a percentage of its population base vs. LAX (probably thanks to UA's hub and lack of real hubs in LAX)

ps : do these stats include Aussie/Kiwi flights ?


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1698 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7191 times:

Quoting Filipair (Reply 2):
LAX intl, where do you find international travel data like these?

Information similar to this can be found on the BTS website.

[Edited 2011-02-01 13:45:35]


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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7117 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
As of 2009 (with 2008 data I suppose) top US - Asia/Pacific passengers flown gateways.

Los Angeles - 7.3mil
San Francisco - 3.9mil
Honolulu - 3.7mil
Guam - 2.6mil
New York - 2.3mil (JFK 1.6mil / EWR 0.7)
Chicago - 1.9mil
Detroit - 1.0mil
Saipan - 0.8mil
Seattle - 0.8mil

Is this O&D data?

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 5):


Information similar to this can be found on the BTS website.

Thanks, but specifically where does one find this data on the BTS website?

Jeremy


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21876 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7104 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 4):
EWR is doing surprisingly okay considering practically all the Asian carriers go to JFK

Having all of CO's Asia flights makes up for a lot of it.

-Mir



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7060 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
New York - 2.3mil (JFK 1.6mil / EWR 0.7)
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 4):
EWR is doing surprisingly okay considering practically all the Asian carriers go to JFK (except the low-frequency EVA flight and the low-density SQ flight)

I don't know how I feel about EWR with .7 mill to asia. I feel like CO has quite a few flights including Tokyo, Beijing, and Hong Kong (is delhi included?) and the singapore flight should boast more pax....?



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7060 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
As of 2009 (with 2008 data I suppose) top US - Asia/Pacific passengers flown gateways.

Those numbers look like they include connecting passengers. Some passengers are almost certainly departing from New York and connecting somewhere else, although NYC is probably still well behind SFO and HNL in O&D to Asia/Pacific international destinations.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26169 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6996 times:

Quoting Filipair (Reply 2):
LAX intl, where do you find international travel data like these?

Well in this specific case I happened to have had a report that was neatly compiled that included what the OPer was asking for, however the raw data comes from things like DOT T-100 international database.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 4):
ps : do these stats include Aussie/Kiwi flights ?

Yes

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 6):
Is this O&D data?

No

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 8):
I don't know how I feel about EWR with .7 mill to asia. I feel like CO has quite a few flights including Tokyo, Beijing, and Hong Kong (is delhi included?) and the singapore flight should boast more pax....?

Actually 700,000 sounds right. 700,000 means about 2,000 passengers day. With CO only has 4 777 departures to Asia(did they in 2008?), the rest would be made up of other airlines like SQ.



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User currently offlinedavs5032 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6936 times:

I'm a little surprised not to see DFW somewhere on the list...although I guess AA probably has most of their pacific routes going through LAX or ORD

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7814 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6868 times:

Quoting davs5032 (Reply 11):
although I guess AA probably has most of their pacific routes going through LAX or ORD

ORD yes, LAX no. Even with the new PVG flight, LAX and DFW have the same amount of capacity to Asia.



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2463 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6756 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
With CO only has 4 777 departures to Asia(did they in 2008?), the rest would be made up of other airlines like SQ.

CO also has 2 daily 777s to India. Which region would India 'belong' to here?


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6659 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 4):
EWR is doing surprisingly okay considering practically all the Asian carriers go to JFK (except the low-frequency EVA flight and the low-density SQ flight)

EWR (CO)-

HKG 1 daily 777 , PEK 1 daily 777 , PVG 1 daily 777 , NRT 1 daily 777, DEL 1 daily 777, BOM 1 daily 777

EWR-
SIN 1 daily A345 SQ, EWR-TPE 1 daily 77W EVA, EWR-BOM 1 A330 Jetairways, EWR-BOM 177W



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26169 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6567 times:

Quoting davs5032 (Reply 11):
I'm a little surprised not to see DFW somewhere on the list..

Why? What does DFW have to Asia? 2x AA to NRT and Korean Air. Pretty meager volume.

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 13):
CO also has 2 daily 777s to India. Which region would India 'belong' to here?

India falls under "Atlantic" for DOT traffic categorization.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7814 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6225 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
Why? What does DFW have to Asia? 2x AA to NRT and Korean Air. Pretty meager volume.

Given that its in the Southern US, its not bad at all.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6205 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 14):
HKG 1 daily 777 , PEK 1 daily 777 , PVG 1 daily 777 , NRT 1 daily 777, DEL 1 daily 777, BOM 1 daily 777

I do not believe that BOM and DEL are counted in the numbers given by LAXintl. Those numbers should be reflective only of HKG, PEK, PVG, and NRT.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20361 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

If you sit at Bayshore park at SFO around noon, you will be treated to three straight hours of Asian arrivals and departures.

Huge market.


User currently offlineTBYO787 From Colombia, joined Feb 2008, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5795 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 18):
Los Angeles - 7.3mil
San Francisco - 3.9mil
Honolulu - 3.7mil
Guam - 2.6mil
New York - 2.3mil (JFK 1.6mil / EWR 0.7)
Chicago - 1.9mil
Detroit - 1.0mil
Saipan - 0.8mil
Seattle - 0.8mil

Is this O&D data?

No way. this must include connections.

TBYO787


User currently offlineEWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4881 times:

Since the original question referred to airports and not cities, JFK falls behind ORD into 6th place. The fact that EWR can claim 700,000 pax seems to infer that not everyone travelling to NYC area necessarily is going to NYC proper!

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2463 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4413 times:

Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 22):
The fact that EWR can claim 700,000 pax seems to infer that not everyone travelling to NYC area necessarily is going to NYC proper!

Right, because we know NOBODY who goes to New York City proper uses EWR...  


User currently offlineLazialeMKD From French Polynesia, joined Oct 2009, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3514 times:

I am wondering one thing, how HNL is getting so much traffic from Asia? Are the passengers going to HNL connecting there or that's their last destination?
Is the Asian community so big there?


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

Quoting LazialeMKD (Reply 24):
I am wondering one thing, how HNL is getting so much traffic from Asia? Are the passengers going to HNL connecting there or that's their last destination?

There are large numbers of Japanese tourists, although not nearly as many as there used to be, and from other parts of Asia. Since the list includes connections, some passengers stop at HNL on their way to or from Asia, certainly a more scenic stop then Detroit. In addition, nearly all passengers headed to the former U.S. Trust Territories in the Pacific on CO are now considered to be traveling to foreign destinations since most of those islands are now semi-independent.

Hawaii does have the highest percentage of Asians of any state but they are still a minority. There are probably bigger business interests tied to Asia in California.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 22):
Since the original question referred to airports and not cities, JFK falls behind ORD into 6th place. The fact that EWR can claim 700,000 pax seems to infer that not everyone travelling to NYC area necessarily is going to NYC proper!

technically ORD is in Schiller Park, IL so it's not like ORD is within Chicago "proper" either


25 FlyPNS1 : ORD is contained within the boundaries of the City of Chicago. The boundaries were specially expanded to include ORD. I wouldn't be surprised if NYC
26 tayser : eh? India is well and truly a part of Asia. MEL/SYD/BNE/AKL are -apparently- included in these stats but are not in reality a part of "Asia". bizarre
27 huaiwei : Not sure what you are trying to imply, for you can say exactly the same for every airport up there.
28 Viscount724 : Hawaii had over 1.1 million Japanese visitors in 2010, about 40% of all Japanese visitors to the USA in total.
29 goldenstate : Not sure what the point of that discussion is. Airports being noncontiguous with the cities they serve is hardly an unusual arrangement. SFO is owned
30 LAXdude1023 : The Asian community is huge there. Its just behind LA, San Fran/San Jose, and New York.
31 LAXintl : Geographically yes, however for traffic statistics historically it has always fallen under "Atlantic". Australia and NZ are included because they are
32 beryllium : In terms of arrivals/departures (per week) between US and Asia: Jan-10: LAX (329), SFO (245), JFK (184) Feb-10: LAX (322), SFO (241), JFK (178) Mar-1
33 netjetsintl : Good info there beryllium. I'm afraid one day JFK might pass SFO by itself without EWR's assistance. Every week some airline from the Far East seems
34 as739x : How do you figure JFK will pass SFO?
35 Alasizon : Yet, since Jan-10, JFK is down 14 flights (2/day), while SFO is up 12 flights (1.7/day).
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