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Any more International Service For SEA?  
User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5070 times:
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I was wondering if there will be any additional international service announcements for 2011 besides the new SEA-FRA by Condor Airlines or Asiana's increase in SEA-ICN frequency? I hear rumors of additional Asia service by DL like SEA-ICN or SEA-HKG.

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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3072 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5045 times:

What about your boys at AS or QX like: SEA-MEX, SEA-YYZ, SEA-Kamloops (again)? I've always wondered if QX could make SEA-Nanaimo work too.

One good possibility would be SEA-NRT by the AA/JL joint-venture. Not sure who's metal it would be on.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30974 posts, RR: 86
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5025 times:
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One of the Chinese 787 customers have said they wanted to start SEA-PEK once they took delivery. I want to say it's HU.

There have also long been rumors that NH would start SEA-NGO.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4981 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
One of the Chinese 787 customers have said they wanted to start SEA-PEK once they took delivery. I want to say it's HU.

HU already flies SEA-PEK using A330-200's 5X per week.

It has been rumored that Shanghai Airlines would start SEA-PVG using 787s. Likewise, QF was rumored to fly SEA-SYD using 787's.

One airline I was hoping for is Westjet to fly SEA-YYZ and SEA-Calgary using 73G's or 736's.


User currently offlinecentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

There has always been the rumor of SEA-NGO. It was first said to be on NH's list then rumored with DL.
With increased work between the two in aerospace and high-tech the demand is there.
I also think that SEA-MNL could get picked up by DL using a 787 or 772. Then they reduce DTW-NGO-MNL to a 787 or 772.
I can dream.



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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 755 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4761 times:

I would like to see DL fly SEA-FUK with a 767-300ER. Maybe 4 or 5 weekly flights. It would be the only nonstop service from the US to western Japan, and they could get AS connecting traffic from SFO, LAX, etc. Surely there must be some demand for a route like this. Didn't DL fly PDX-FUK once upon a time?


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4053 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4718 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 1):
I've always wondered if QX could make SEA-Nanaimo work too.

The runway is so short and so many people go to YYJ and increasingly YQQ (good road with U.S. interstate spec's), I highly doubt you'll see Nanaimo with much service anywhere but YVR and one or two other airports on the B.C. lower mainland. I don't think Nanaimo even has an FCS desk.



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User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4672 times:
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I can see DL starting a route to PVG. 5 x weekly at first and build it up to daily with a 767-300ER. It would round out the PEK service they already have and a west cost gateway to both cities like DTW is going to be for the east.

User currently offlineIcelandairMSP From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4511 times:

DL probably won't go for ICN because there are two carriers on the route already and they codeshare with KE. Rumblings among DL employees indicate SEA-PVG is up next. SEA-HKG is also a later possibility but in the end it will come down to aircraft availability.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4406 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 1):

What about your boys at AS or QX like: SEA-MEX, SEA-YYZ, SEA-Kamloops (again)? I've always wondered if QX could make SEA-Nanaimo work too.

Well, AM did not succeed when it tried to serve the MEX-SEA route. In any event, there have been rumors that KE will add MEX as a tag-on of its ICN-SEA route, something like 3x or 4x weekly with fifth freedom rights. It remains yet to be seen.  



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User currently offlinegunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4267 times:

I'd say anything is possible with DL showing so much interest in establishing a North America-Asia base at SEA. SEA-HKG and SEA-PVG seem like top candidates for the immediate future (NW flew SEA-HKG years ago on 742s). As much as I hate to say so considering that any eventual DL international hub will be a boon for the airport/city, I'd much prefer to see these flights operated by the likes of CX, FM or CA just for the sake of variety...we have plenty of DL A330s to look at around here already! SEA-NGO on NH seems like a strong short-term prospect as well--SEA is probably on the wish list for several future transpac 787 operators (crossing my fingers for QF or JQ!), but nothing is guaranteed.

As far as Seattle-Europe goes, I think the market is already pretty competitive and new service is probably years away. Any increase in service will probably come in the form of another frequency from one of the existing carriers. DL is going 2x daily on SEA-AMS this summer (was hoping to see KL find their way here...oh well!) and DE is adding a 3x or 4x weekly frequency on SEA-FRA as well.. There's also been talk of DL bringing back NW's short-lived SEA-LHR flight, but I'll believe it when I see it. SEA-Europe added a lot of capacity in the last four or five years even when you take SK's exit from the market into account and I don't suspect that we'll be seeing any huge developments on that front anytime soon. SEA-MUC on LH would be nice at some point, anything else would surprise me.

On a side note, I've been very impressed with FI's entry into the market. It was nice to see them step in when SK axed SEA-CPH, but I didn't expect them to do as well as they have. Virtually everyone I know who has traveled to Europe since this service started either flew FI and raved about their experience or gave them serious consideration before opting for another carrier because of price differences or frequent flier opportunities. They're easily the most visible European carrier in the city (I've yet to see ads from LH, AF or BA on the side of a Metro bus or thoroughfare billboard whereas I see an FI ad almost every day) and they seem to have built themselves a solid reputation in a very short period of time. Very nicely done.

Outside of Europe and East Asia, somebody stands to make a fair amount of money by offering a more direct link between Seattle and the Indian subcontinent. A non-stop on AI or 9W a few times a week would be nice, but I suspect it's probably going to end up being EK simply because I can't fathom how they're going to grow at their current pace without taking advantage of the market here. A 4x-5x weekly flight on a 777 timed to connect SEA-India (and to a lesser extent, the Middle East and Africa) would probably do very well for them. If I'm allowed to dream, I might even throw ET and SEA-ADD into that mix due to the growing East African population in SEA and the increasing connection opportunities, but I think I'm getting a little carried away there. As for Latin America, it is easily accessible via LAX and outside of AS starting up SJO (which would almost certainly be via LAX anyways) or MEX in wake of AM's departure, I don't see much happening there.



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User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

My vote goes to SEA-FUK. Delta had it before Sept 11th out of Portland several times a week...Fukuoka is a big and busy enough city for a west coast to FUK connection. All of us FUK travelers hate having to take two or three planes just to get to Kyushu. I've flown the following combinations:

SEA-NRT-FUK (NW/JL, NH, or Skymark)
SEA-IAH-NRT-FUK (CO/CO/Skymark)
SEA-YVR-NRT-FUK (Jazz/AC/Skymark)
SEA-SFO-NRT-FUK (AS/NW/JL)
SEA-LAX-NRT-FUK (AS/SN/Skymark)

There's a great market potential, even for 4-5x/week on this route. Lots of Americans live and work in Fukuoka and could use the connection to get back home with and save the hassle (and maybe some money), there's the US Navy in Sasebo which is an hour and a half train ride south of Fukuoka, and almost every time I go there I always see a sailor or two on their way to Sasebo.

The ONLY other choice is flying on Continental Micronesia to Guam, and then on to HNL, and then catch a stateside bird from there.

Nonstop west coast to Fukuoka, preferrably Seattle...PLEASE!!!



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User currently onlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1835 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3509 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
The runway is so short and so many people go to YYJ and increasingly YQQ (good road with U.S. interstate spec's), I highly doubt you'll see Nanaimo with much service anywhere but YVR and one or two other airports on the B.C. lower mainland. I don't think Nanaimo even has an FCS desk.

AC operates numerous Dash 8-100's and -300s to Nanaimo everyday, so why couldn't Horizon send a -200Q? I actually think the flight would be completely possible for Horizon, as anyone who wants to fly to Seattle from the mid- and north-Island right now needs to either drive to Victoria (which is 1.5 to 5 hours depending where on the Island you are) or connect at YVR. True, YQQ could be an alternative and would better support the north-Island, but it's hard to say whether the demand is there without Nanaimo's population base (who would likely drive to Victoria instead of Comox lacking the service). YQQ is also a very very well equipped airport considering the size of the area (thanks to also being an Air Force base).

One question I'm not sure about is whether Nanaimo is a CBSA point of entry? Do they even have customs facilities at the airport? I know YQQ does to support its charters to Mexico (which I have used before).


User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

QX doesn't fly anymore of the -200s. So it would have to be on a Q4, which would be overkill on capacity, for a twice daily frequency most likely. Who knows.

Maybe Skywest can do it on an EMB-120?



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User currently onlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1835 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

Quoting Cessna172RG (Reply 13):
QX doesn't fly anymore of the -200s. So it would have to be on a Q4, which would be overkill on capacity, for a twice daily frequency most likely. Who knows.

Oops, my mistake! In that case you're probably right, it would be a lot of capacity. Perhaps 1 or 2 flights a day with higher fares might work, but the Q400 would be a lot of plane for Nanaimo... AC could maybe send a -100 but I'm sure they'd choose to start from YYJ first if they were to fly from the Island to Seattle. Right now QX is the only direct option from YYJ-SEA (excluding float-planes).

Quoting Cessna172RG (Reply 13):
Maybe Skywest can do it on an EMB-120?

Perhaps. Do any of them operate to Canada at all? I personally have never seen one (at least not in blatant UA colours).

[Edited 2011-02-02 13:31:16]

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25291 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 1):
I've always wondered if QX could make SEA-Nanaimo work too.

The runway is so short

YCD runway is 6,602 ft. Not that short. Only 400 ft. shorter than YYJ which has nonstops to HNL/YYZ.LAX etc. from their longest 6,998 ft. runway. I believe the Nanaimo runway was lengthened fairly recently.


User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

If my memory serves, Skywest (under United Express colors) flies the EMB-120s out of the North satellite on turns to Portland (not as frequent as QX), Vancouver, Spokane, and I think Pasco. Could be one or two more destinations in there. Only reason they have Vancouver to/from in the N gates is because those flights, when they come back from Canada, pre-clear customs when they leave Vancouver and don't have to park at the S gates, but Victoria doesn't, so the QX Victoria flights always have to go to the S gates, along with Kelowna, Calgary, Edmonton, etc...

So if United Express/Skywest would pick up Nanaimo, I'm sure that they'd have to have an open slot at the S gates, and that might be the main reason why they don't fly that route (or Victoria). Horizon uses S16 and has four sub-spots marked at S16 (marked as A, B, C, and D) and for a while (when I worked there) also used two sub-spots at S-10 when NW wasn't using it. So, to make it work, they'd have to get ahold of one of those sub-spots and set up personnel accordingly, and that would be another issue. So, maybe it would be too much of a hassle for them overall to establish Nanaimo flights.

Horizon could do it, easily, however IF they want to is the question--when they had the -200, it probably woudn't have been hard to have a twice or thrice daily setup out of SEA, however now with the Q4, they could probably get away with one turn a day to cover capacity, but anything more would just overdo the route and probably make it unprofitable (even though QX likes to say that they can make a profit on their 400s when they're filled up half way on most routes) with the saturation of having convenient frequencies.



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User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

If you ask me i don't think there'll be any additional expansion to what you just said until the 787s arrive. anything is possible though.


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User currently onlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1835 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

Quoting Cessna172RG (Reply 16):
Only reason they have Vancouver to/from in the N gates is because those flights, when they come back from Canada, pre-clear customs when they leave Vancouver and don't have to park at the S gates, but Victoria doesn't, so the QX Victoria flights always have to go to the S gates, along with Kelowna, Calgary, Edmonton, etc...

Actually, both YYC and YEG do have US preclearance, and apparently YYJ will be getting it within the next few years.

Quoting Cessna172RG (Reply 16):
Horizon could do it, easily, however IF they want to is the question--when they had the -200, it probably woudn't have been hard to have a twice or thrice daily setup out of SEA, however now with the Q4, they could probably get away with one turn a day to cover capacity, but anything more would just overdo the route and probably make it unprofitable (even though QX likes to say that they can make a profit on their 400s when they're filled up half way on most routes) with the saturation of having convenient frequencies.

Agreed.


User currently onlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6138 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Quoting Cessna172RG (Reply 16):

If SkyWest makes any movement from SEA it will be a decrease in service. We are slowly pulling NW route.



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User currently offlineual757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 806 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 19):
If SkyWest makes any movement from SEA it will be a decrease in service. We are slowly pulling NW route.

What's going to happen to SEA-PDX service with the loss of the EMB120s (in the near future)? I flew around 30 segments on SEA-PDX-SEA last fall, and I really hope the schedule isn't reduced or the route cut. BTW - I love seats 9B/9C on those little birds!


User currently offlinehatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

Quoting Cessna172RG (Reply 16):
If my memory serves, Skywest (under United Express colors) flies the EMB-120s out of the North satellite on turns to Portland (not as frequent as QX), Vancouver, Spokane, and I think Pasco. Could be one or two more destinations in there. Only reason they have Vancouver to/from in the N gates is because those flights, when they come back from Canada, pre-clear customs when they leave Vancouver and don't have to park at the S gates, but Victoria doesn't, so the QX Victoria flights always have to go to the S gates, along with Kelowna, Calgary, Edmonton, etc...

Not at all. Skywest EMB-120s only fly to PDX from SEA now. They recently dropped GEG. The only other Skywest planes in SEA are CRJs that fly to SFO/LAX and sometimes DEN.


User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 573 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

Within the forseeable future, PVG, NGO, LHR, and perhaps MEX are probably realistic. Frequency increase on SEA-FRA as well. Some of the others mentioned are more like good long term goals for route development but I wouldn't hold my breath.

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4053 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
I believe the Nanaimo runway was lengthened fairly recently

It was (It was only 5,000' until a few years ago), but there are still NIMBY's who don't want increased service into NCD.

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 12):
One question I'm not sure about is whether Nanaimo is a CBSA point of entry? Do they even have customs facilities at the airport? I know YQQ does to support its charters to Mexico (which I have used before).

There is nothing there presently, but YQQ does, so hence they're a better bet to get any trans-border connections anytime soon to SEA. YYJ wants to get a U.S. pre-clearence pressence and it is entirely possible within the next few years, and if that happens that will open up more U.S. options for them. Perhaps DL can bring back the OO concection flight to SLC (summers 2006-2007) and coseshare it with AS...even though SLC now has a bigger FCS desk to handle DL from CDG and NRT. Vancouver Island wants more tans-border service since BC Ferries/Victoria Clipper adds another logistical hurdle for surface travel.

One of the big problems with U.S.-Canada flights is the charges both governments levy against the fares charged. I think Canada's excise tax discourages such ventures, and the next open skies aggreement between the U.S & Canada should include a one-charge common fee.



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User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1036 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 19):

If SkyWest makes any movement from SEA it will be a decrease in service. We are slowly pulling NW route.

Sorry for not understanding you, but what do you mean?


25 Post contains images Airport : It would really scratch my itch to see more transborder services by QX to YCD and YQQ. Even better would be a return to YXS (which I know won't happen
26 wedgetail737 : I think there's a hint that Skywest's UA Express service is slowly winding down up in the PNW. I was hoping we could see the likes of Pacific Coastal
27 gunsontheroof : Not sure if you're talking about a frequency increase with LHR, but BA already flies SEA-LHR daily in the winter and something like 10x weekly in the
28 wedgetail737 : I'm also hoping FI increases their summer service to daily (if it isn't there already). There were some rumors of KE flying 777-200ER's on the ICN-SE
29 hatbutton : Well once the EMB-120s are gone, it basically will have to fold. With only SEA-PDX and a handful of routes in Oregon, a CRJ will just not make any mo
30 gunsontheroof : I'm fairly confident that someone posted news of FI going daily on KEF-SEA this summer, but I'm not certain about that. KE adding MEX as a tag-on wou
31 wedgetail737 : I agree that Skywest/UA Express will pull the plug on the PNW. I noticed Gulfstream has won the EAS contract for Montana. I wonder if there is a poss
32 Boeing744 : Very true. The weird thing is that Victoria already HAS US Border preclearance downtown for US ferry services. So if the US CBP already has a staff b
33 Airnerd : It's a real drag to lose Skywest EMB120s in the PNW. Their pullback coupled with QX moving to all Q400s has meant a dramatic reduction in air service
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