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Qatar To Order C-Series  
User currently offlineflyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 13887 times:

As per http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...20Order%20Bombardier%27s%20CSeries

I wonder how much this is linked to the proposed "Montreal" service.

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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1874 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13793 times:

Politics aside, it's great to see this aircraft gaining orders. Slowly, but surely, it will earn its place in the market.


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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13618 times:

As per Wiki, Qatar has 9 A319s with none on order. I think it will be ordering the CS300, but do not expect it be a very large order.

User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4769 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13490 times:

Quoting flyyul (Thread starter):
I wonder how much this is linked to the proposed "Montreal" service.

I would say more linked with their recently acquired 6 weekly landing rights into Canada i.e. 3 cargo + 3 pax rather than YUL-DOH flights.

The order is expected to be for 30 jets which includes options and they intend on ordering both the C110 and C300 versions.


User currently offlineAABB777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 535 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13434 times:
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Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):
The order is expected to be for 30 jets which includes options and they intend on ordering both the C110 and C300 versions.

Source for the information?


User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13223 times:

Great to see this bird getting some orders!
I'm hoping to see an order from SK soon too, would look great in their livery.


User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4257 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12571 times:

Key sentence in the article mentions the Paris air show. I know this plane doesn't have a lot of big orders on the book yet, but could some big announcements for this aircraft come at Paris? Time will tell.

User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1988 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11487 times:

Quoting flyyul (Thread starter):
I wonder how much this is linked to the proposed "Montreal" service.

Why would it be linked? There's no issues with Qatar anyway. The government is probably happy that they are willing to start service in other Canadian cities other than Toronto for once. And for QR, they don't have to split the slots the country gets with another airline. That's a problem for EK/EY.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3053 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9230 times:

Quoting ytz (Reply 7):
Why would it be linked?

A little case of quid pro quo, perhaps?



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User currently offlinebravo1six From Canada, joined Dec 2007, 397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8491 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 8):
A little case of quid pro quo, perhaps?

A quid pro quo that is specifically prohibited by WTO rules.

Could it be that perhaps Qatar actually sees something in the aircraft that a.netters don't? Nah....that can't possibly be it.....


User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1988 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8331 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 8):
A little case of quid pro quo, perhaps?

Our government doesn't play games like that. If they weren't willing to deal with EK over a critical support base in the middle of a war, what makes anybody think they'll play that game with QR over a few sales for Bombardier?


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2979 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8142 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 8):
A little case of quid pro quo, perhaps?

How so? The Canadian/Quebec governments are always happy to see new carriers/destinations at YUL rather than YYZ, and BBD is happy to get the order. Where's the "quo"?



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User currently offlineturjo101 From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8130 times:

ahhh...so that's the price for getting slots in Canada. Maybe EK and EY should also "strongly consider" acquiring the C-Series in a bit do get more slots.

User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5420 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7977 times:

It's not a sale until the contract is signed. Al Baker has a somewhat mercurial personality and is subject to change without notice. I'm cautiously optimistic but a lot can happen between now and june.


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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2979 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7862 times:

Quoting turjo101 (Reply 12):
ahhh...so that's the price for getting slots in Canada.

I don't think so. They got exactly the same number of slots that were negotiated with 8 other countries in the ME / North Africa since the Blue Skies bilateral policy came into effect. And none of the others have ordered C series.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 13):
It's not a sale until the contract is signed. Al Baker has a somewhat mercurial personality and is subject to change without notice. I'm cautiously optimistic but a lot can happen between now and june.

  

I think it's more about P&W giving the kind of assurance about GTF performance/support that QR was seeking.



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User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1988 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7738 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 2):
As per Wiki, Qatar has 9 A319s with none on order.

Don't they have 4? 2 A319LR and 2A319CJ.

I wonder if the plan is to compete with EK by offering frequencies as opposed to cheaper fares. Would help with places like India for instance (if they are seat restricted like EK).


User currently offlineDash9 From Canada, joined Nov 2008, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7676 times:

Quoting turjo101 (Reply 12):
ahhh...so that's the price for getting slots in Canada.

How much revenue (yet profit...) can Qatar get from 3 weekly flights to YUL?
Now how could they buy an airplane they don't want, at a cost of a few billion dollars, and expect to turn enough profit from the flights to overcome the cost of the frames.

Please do you math.


User currently offlinesebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7179 times:

Quid pro quo? If Qatar had gained more access off the bat, that would have been an eye opener but the Canada-Qatar bilateral is exactly the same starting point as the Canada-UAE bilateral, which is many years old.

And as others have said, Canada has signed many new bilaterals with this kind of initial access.

I call this a par-for-the-course bilateral with the small twist that QR is choosing to use its rights to do something different than EK and EY.


User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4008 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6283 times:

Aside from the advantage Qatar will get in Canada, another aspect of this potential purchase is Qatar battling Emirates in the shorthauls. Emirates has not gone narrowbody. Qatar will have an aircraft that is half the size of Emirates' smallest. Qatar will be able to offer higher frequency in the smaller markets, and serve markets that are too small for Emirates. One thing is assured from QR x EK: Whenever a suitable connection in the Middle East exists, a cheap fare is guaranteed. I feel entitled to it as I already paid at the pump.

User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1817 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5661 times:

I think it is not definite that Qatar will order the C-series. He mentioned that the Airbus A320 NEO was a "sensitive issue" and that he will leave the C-series for the July airshow.

I seriously wish Qatar wont go for the C-series and will order NEO's.



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User currently offlineXaraB From Norway, joined Aug 2007, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5109 times:

If Qatar goes for the C-series, I doubt it is to replace the 319s, as these are/have been used on long and thin routes, such as ARN and CPH, which are upgraded to 332s when traffic picks up. The C-series won't have the range to do that economically (approx. 5000km, just below the max range of the C-series, compared to 10400km on the 319LR).
I'd guess they'd like to use them on very short routes, such as DXB, AUH, BAH, DMM, MCT etc., increasing frequency.



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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4778 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 19):
I seriously wish Qatar wont go for the C-series and will order NEO's.

They don´t have to exclude each other - the A319NEO would be a perfect aircraft for long thin routes while the C100/C300 are better for shorter regional flights.
Even if Qatar orders a bunch of C300 they would still need a larger narrowbody and will likely order A320/A321NEOs as well



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User currently offlineyenne09 From Canada, joined Jun 2010, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3167 times:

Qatar is supposed to serve Montreal with B777. Regarding narrow body, if they want to have some they will act like Gulf Air which has ERJ. It is sure that this will give them more flexibility. I am always surprised when people are not convinced regarding the 100 seaters. In the past a lot of carrier had DC-9, F-28, Fokker 100, Caravelle, Bac 1-11, B727-100, B737-200, BAe/Avro 146.

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