KL642 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 350 posts, RR: 5 Posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3104 times:
Coming home from a doctor's appointment this afternoon I decided to park on Post Road and check out the happenings at MSP. I saw an AA 777 parked at the G gates just down a bit from the Int'l gates. After I got home I checked Flight Aware and saw that it was AA 137 LHR-LAX. Does anyone know the reason for the diversion? If ORD had been open they probably would've diverted there.
cbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1531 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2995 times:
Quoting KL642 (Reply 2): YWG would have been much closer. Fargo has a large hospital as well.
Yeah, distance wise, but remember the plane has to drop some 30,000+ ft, so just because it is right under you, does not mean it is your best option to divert. MSP was perfect, in regards it gave the crew enough time to get the plane down and land, instead of just circling around FAR!
cbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1531 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2926 times:
Quoting NWA330nut (Reply 5): Beat me to it! But I'm hoping someone can still answer what would actually call for a diversion to another country.
Well..if the situation requires a landing immediately, then I think what country you land in, is the last thing on your mind (barring a few certain countries) Though AA has a good size operation in MSP, so that might have "aided" in the decision to divert there as opposed to FAR or someplace. But in the end, I still think the distance they required to descend from 38000 ft made MSP their best option!
rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6860 posts, RR: 29 Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2553 times:
Quoting njxc500 (Reply 7): I find this interesting, so here are the distances involved. From their turn, they had 400 miles to MSP. They had about 88 miles to Winnipeg. 205 miles to Fargo.
When they got into MSP, their descent took 149 miles, so that can't be the reason on its own.
1. All the passengers on the plane had cleared US ICE name checks/ No Fly Lists. They all have valid documents to enter the US. Possibly many did not have clearance/ documents to enter Canada. I think anyone can understand why they went to the US instead of Canada from that standpoint alone.
2. FAR does not routinely handle aircraft as large as a B777. A look at FlightAware shows the A319 / MD-80 are the largest current traffic hulls they see.
How much AA presence is in FAR? I only see American Eagle flights to FAR. Any mainline line AA flights? How prepared is the FAR airport to gate a B777 and to refuel/ reprovision it for the continuation of the flight.
The aircraft did resume the flight, taking off from MSP just over an hour and fifteen minutes after landing. Could FAR have turned the aircraft as quickly? I realize MSP does not see the number of widebodies they had in the Northwest glory days, but they are used to them.
acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2256 times:
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An AA 777 comes to town and I miss it. Imagine that.
I can think of a few reasons to divert to MSP rather than say YWG, FAR or another "closer city":
- AA has a pretty decent sized operation at MSP. It seems to me the are the 2nd or 3rd largest airline that serves MSP. They have real mainline people on duty. Is FAR a mainline city? And it doesn't look like AA even serves YWG! If for some odd reason AA needed to accommodate a planeload of people they have people on duty in MSP and lots of them (note: Not sure if AA personnel at MSP have Customs seals but if not they can probably go to DL or Signature for this).
- What if the crew timed out or something? Again, easier to get a replacement crew to a city you regularly serve and with mainline equipment to boot.
- Smaller cities don't always have ground equipment necessary for a widebody. As silly as this sounds you need a towbar to get the plane out. If you are in a city that doesn't regularly handle widebodies you aren't going to have a 767 or 777 towbar on hand. You may not have a big push tractor to move something that heavy. You probably don't have can loaders/unloaders needed to unload containers in the hold if necessary. In the event an airstart is needed you need one of those gigantic air starters to turn over the motors on a 777 and I can't imagine a lot of smaller airports have one of these. A 767 or 777 towbar is probably a rarity in YWG or FAR. Albeit not common someone in MSP has one.
- At least when I worked at MSP AA had mechanics on staff. If something were to break might as well have in-house mechanics available just in case.
- Jet-A always seems to be CHEAP at MSP. Volga-Dnepr stops in regularly to fill up their An-124s headed from Europe to the US West Coast. When I worked at CO we tried to tanker as much fuel from MSP as was feasible because of the good prices. They will have to fuel up a bit, might as well do it somewhere that you get a good deal. Maybe even tanker some to LAX...