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Irish 4/11: Spring Is In The Air!  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12435 posts, RR: 37
Posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16483 times:

Good morning folks and welcome to the first thread of Spring.

Let's hope that a resolution to the Aer Lingus labour issues is now imminent and, if possible, can be sealed before the weekend. It's been a very expensive dispute, not only in terms of the financial cost to all involved, but the goodwill of customers too. EI management may have viewed this as a fight that it needs to, well, fight, but there does need to be lessons learned in how this kind of issue is handled in future.

Of course, it's election season at the moment and we'll see if the major parties, for once, have something worthwhile or interesting to say about aviation policy. I'm not hopeful, despite the great need to generate growth in different areas of the economy.

Here's the link to the previous thread: Irish Aviation 3/11: Power Set, Speed Building ... (by kaitak Jan 21 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Well, enough prattling by Kaitak; here's 4/11 for you ...

[Edited 2011-02-03 21:23:36]

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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4169 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 16476 times:

Well, im gonna jump in first on this one.

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Of course, it's election season at the moment and we'll see if the major parties, for once, have something worthwhile or interesting to say about aviation policy. I'm not hopeful, despite the great need to generate growth in different areas of the economy.

Well, they cant say they havent been told. I've written to the FG transport and tourism spokespersons myself about what I think, and i got a fairly hostile and arrogant reply back. If they dont want to listen to people who actually work in the industry, then fair enough.

I want to vote FG this time, but some of their recent actions are really putting me off, and that response to my e-mail was one of them.



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User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1472 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16430 times:

Bit worried about the spring in the air theme, Kaitak, it is blowing a howling gale here.

However, lets hope that the airline business benefits from the somewhat improved world environment. Will all the election bladder on television create a demand to escape anywhere until the dust settles? A half hour of TV debate last night was enough for me.


User currently offlinethediplomat From Ireland, joined Jun 2006, 382 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 16395 times:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0204/aerlingus-business.html

There has been a breakthrough in the three week old Aer Lingus cabin crew dispute over new rosters.

In a statement issued this morning, the IMPACT union, which represents cabin crew, said management has agreed to restore staff to normal duties and payroll pending the outcome of a binding Labour Relations Commission arbitration.

IMPACT has agreed to suspend industrial action, while Aer Lingus management has also agreed to halt disciplinary procedures.


User currently offlinethediplomat From Ireland, joined Jun 2006, 382 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 16381 times:

This a brief summary of what was said on the radio this morning

Staff to work new rosters
Rosters to be enhanced to give balance of life
Staff to work 850 hours
No strike clause for the life of greenfield
Tour of duty length to be reduced

Binding LRC mandate to be made.


User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 640 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 16363 times:

Quoting thediplomat (Reply 4):
This a brief summary of what was said on the radio this morning

Excellent news this morning and it's very good to see a mutually positive outcome.

EI shares are up 2.5% in opening trade.

EIBusiness



Vivo Per Lei...
User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26949 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 16350 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 1):
I want to vote FG this time,

SF here , Im voting on local issues.

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 2):

Bit worried about the spring in the air theme, Kaitak, it is blowing a howling gale here.

Very true are there any diversions or cancellations? Here along the border its wild for sure.

Quoting thediplomat (Reply 3):
There has been a breakthrough in the three week old Aer Lingus cabin crew dispute over new rosters.

Thats good , my mate was taken off the payroll last week so hopefully she will be back to normal soon.


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1820 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 16337 times:
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Shamrock604: Some interesting remarks there - particularly about some staff "who simply could not agree to the new conditions" ................. and that individual solutions would have to be found.
That is showing a level of flexibility that I did not think existed from management......."

I actually read that as a threat towards staff who do not want to comply with the new EI. Hopefully I am in the wrong here.

I was thinking last night. RTE said that EI submitted a 'final position' how can this be when the LRC can issue a legally binding arbitration? Were EI prepared to ignore the LRC if they were unhappy with the outcome?

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
it's election season at the moment and we'll see if the major parties, for once, have something worthwhile or interesting to say about aviation policy.

Don't hold your breath as usual!

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 1):
I've written to the FG transport and tourism spokespersons myself about what I think, and i got a fairly hostile and arrogant reply back.

That is very bad. Any chance of a snippet of the response. Whatever about getting a bland thanks for the ideas reply, an arrogant reply is bad politics.

Quoting thediplomat (Reply 3):
IMPACT has agreed to suspend industrial action, while Aer Lingus management has also agreed to halt disciplinary procedures.

Good news for all passengers then.

Quoting thediplomat (Reply 4):
This a brief summary of what was said on the radio this morning

Looking at that summary I would say the crew will get to keep the ability to influence their roster patterns. Maybe the ability to work double shifts to generate extra time off. So EI gets the 850 flight hours (which they were almost at anyway) while the crew can plan their life around work.
No strike clause seems strange, as no actual strike happened. I think Greenfield is officially only 2 years long.

Lets hope the LRC make sure that this time around no clauses can be twisted by either side.


User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26949 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 16118 times:

Aer Lingus have cancelled a flight to JFK on Monday is that crew or weather related?

User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6334 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15999 times:

Very pleased to see a positive outcome to the Aer Lingus dispute, it's a shame it ever got this far but hopefully it's behind the airline now and everyone involved can look forward to getting the operation back to normal.

Seems the strong wind caused a bit of an issue with an Aer Lingus aircraft and an airbridge at Dublin today, not sure if it was serious or if the aircraft or airbridge suffered any damage as it just a quick message on twitter. Anyone know anything?


User currently offlineNibog From Ireland, joined Apr 2009, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15862 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 9):
. Anyone know anything?

Only thing I have come across is from RTE:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0204/dublinairport.html

Great to see the dispute sorted.


User currently offlineoa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26949 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15820 times:

A gust of wind caused an airbridge at T2 to seperate from an EI A/C whilst passengers were disembarking from a LGW flight this afternoon apparantly.

User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2890 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15783 times:

Nice to see Aer Lingus doing a bit of advertising around the Limerick area. As I was driving home from college today there was an ad on Spin Southwest about EI's nonstop services to New York and Boston from Shannon, along with up to 50 connecting cities with JetBlue Airways.


Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineSURFER From Ireland, joined May 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15754 times:

Can anyone help me,im trying to find a website or photos about the Capitol Airways DC8 accident that happened in SNN in 1977?Ive tried searching the net and all i seem to find is small snipets related to other dc8 incidents.Any help would be much appreciated.

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12435 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15659 times:

Had a look through the NTSB database, which gives a monthly list of all accidents/incidents involving US registered or built aircraft (or foreign aircraft in the US) and came up with this:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=45324&key=0

It basically gives the date and registration. The incident happened at 23.19 on the 2/10/77 and involved N911CL. The incident resulted in an aborted takeoff.


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4169 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15639 times:

Well, its great to see the EI dispute at an end and that common sense has prevailed.

Of course it also means we can now get back to civilized discussion without taking any more chunks out of each other.....  

Just listening to DUB tower here at the moment - some interesting approaches, but crews are advising it actually isnt as bad as they expected, with some turbulence below 500ft and severe turbulence below 200ft, easing out from 50ft to touchdown.

There's been one go around in the last half hour, an FR aircraft that made it in on second attempt.

ATC are earning their money at the moment - a constant stream of arrivals, with every departure being asked if they can perform an expeditious departure behind landing traffic...



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User currently offlinescarebus03 From Ireland, joined Apr 2005, 304 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15600 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 15):
Just listening to DUB tower here at the moment - some interesting approaches, but crews are advising it actually isnt as bad as they expected, with some turbulence below 500ft and severe turbulence below 200ft, easing out from 50ft to touchdown

I came in on a Cimber CRJ earlier and it was one of the more interesting approaches that i've had in a while.

Brgds
SB03



No faults found......................
User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15552 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 9):
Very pleased to see a positive outcome to the Aer Lingus dispute,

Agreed, great to see an end to this madness. Now onwards and of course upwards for EI. I am now looking forward to my 2 upcoming trips to DUB over the next couple of months.


User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6334 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15442 times:

Quoting Nibog (Reply 10):
Only thing I have come across is from RTE

Not sure I like the idea of having one foot on the airbridge and the other on the aircraft when it suddenly moved! Good to see there were no injuries or damage.

I'm sure many still remember this incident.

Weather Related Incident At Dublin (by Planespotterx Jan 1 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 12):

Nice to see Aer Lingus doing a bit of advertising around the Limerick area. As I was driving home from college today there was an ad on Spin Southwest about EI's nonstop services to New York and Boston from Shannon, along with up to 50 connecting cities with JetBlue Airways.

That's good to hear, especially the bit about JetBlue as things have gone quite on that particular partnership for a while now.


User currently offlineSURFER From Ireland, joined May 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15330 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 14):
Had a look through the NTSB database, which gives a monthly list of all accidents/incidents involving US registered or built aircraft (or foreign aircraft in the US) and came up with this:

Excellent now i have a registration so i will further my search.From talking to people in the fire service here in SNN it was very close to a total disaster.Cheers kaitak!


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15267 times:

Glad to see that the EI despite has finally been resolved. Immnot sure the heartache and damage was worth it. Hopefully both sides will now move on and work with, as opposed to against each other.

Currently in bmi's "great British lounge". It's as lovely as ever with views over the T1 ramp and adjacent runway, plenty of comfy chairs and free Wi-Fi. I've noticed a few improvements (more on that innthe upcoming TR). I moustache say it's a lovely view to spot some gleaming EI A320s, EI-DET was looking slick and span this morning. I wonder if they have used the down time to apply a bit of spit and polish?
It's interesting to note the traffic at LHR, of course it's as varied as ever, many VS346s, QR 77W and 346. AA and UA 777 and 767 (one in "new" UA colours). As I type an egyptair 77W has just landed, looking very sharp! Great to see every BD aircraft in the "whale" scheme, other than MIDX in new STAR logoJet. I must say the BA fleet looks a bit unloved, the off-White colour probably does not help either.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12435 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15138 times:

Quoting SURFER (Reply 19):
Excellent now i have a registration so i will further my search.From talking to people in the fire service here in SNN it was very close to a total disaster.Cheers kaitak!

Glad to help; you see that the Irish air accident people were dealing with it, so you should probably have a look on the AAIU website to see if they have a report on it. Let us know how you get on anyway!


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2890 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15096 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 18):
That's good to hear, especially the bit about JetBlue as things have gone quite on that particular partnership for a while now.

Well it didn't actually mention B6 now mind, just the 50 connections (which are all B6).

On a related note, SNN-ORD is no longer bookable under the EI/B6 interline because changes to the B6 schedule between ORD-BOS and ORD-JFK mean that EI111/EI133 lands after the last B6 flight to ORD leaves.

[Edited 2011-02-05 08:53:30]


Shannon-Chicago
User currently offline330Guy From Ireland, joined Nov 2010, 453 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14859 times:

I see Jet2 have a 757's doing hops to rome for that match this weekend.

Quoting Nibog (Reply 10):
Only thing I have come across is from RTE:

I like the way they say the aircraft moved and not the airbridge... Never let the facts get in the way of a good story hey!!

Im booked to go to DUB-BCN at the end of march... So I get to use T2 for the first time , Iv been looking forward that moment..... Although I have a trip on FR to DUB-BHX to get trough first a few days beforehand



Aircraft flown: a300/10/20/21/30/40, b727/37/47/57/67/, DC9, MD80-90, l1011, f50, atr42/72, shorts360, pc12
User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2157 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14847 times:

Quoting 330Guy (Reply 23):
Although I have a trip on FR to DUB-BHX to get trough first a few days beforehand

To get through? Sounds like your not looking forward to it  


25 oa260 : Had a lovely flight BFS-FCO yesterday , although 45 mins delay due to crewing issues the flight was pleasant and crew very friendly all from Ulster. F
26 Post contains links and images thediplomat : Whilst the media is focused on the Election, things are moving on in aviation. Below is a snapshot of the local press. Of Most interest is what DL has
27 Post contains images thediplomat : Life Magazine have some excellent photos of Shannon airport Life.com
28 Nibog : Hi everyone, A quick question. I have friends flying to DXB(lucky sods!!) this week.They are flying EI to LHR and then BA to DXB.As transferring pax t
29 MichaelEI : Hi, yes your friends are lucky! :P I was recently on an EI LHR flight, and it was announced that if passengers have their onward boarding cards and b
30 Post contains links and images ClassicLover : Quite enjoyed the pictures in those last couple of posts - especially the old ads and the old pictures of Shannon. I quite enjoy looking at how things
31 BrianDromey : It certainly was that way in June when I travelled. Disembarking via rear steps the bus takes you to flight connections at T1, where there are non-st
32 Post contains images AmricanShamrok : I did too. I'd love to see pictures of the old check-in area and restaurant (pre-2000) at SNN though. It used to be where down the long corridor wher
33 Post contains images ClassicLover : Yeah, it looks great from the website! We should do an Irish a.net meet there haha
34 thediplomat : This summer DL are operating SNN JFK - 752 - Daily DUB JFK - 752 - Daily DUB ATL - 333 - Daily Will SNN ATL ever return? US are operating DUB PHL - 76
35 IRISH251 : I used to have the printed version of the AAIB report but I think I sold it off some years ago. From recollection, the DC-8 spent many weeks under re
36 EIBusiness : Many thanks for all of that information/news TheDiplomat, This is encouraging news in relation to WX. If they can achieve a few more such positive ou
37 oa260 : Nice read and very well presented. Love the pics especially the old Aer Lingus Advert. Just noticed the last few days the large amount of Irish Reg's
38 kaitak : 763: C35 Y 181 A333: C34 Y 264 764 C41 Y 200 So, a pretty considerable increase in capacity, although it's better to compare the A333 to the 764 to g
39 Post contains images Greenjet : The most topical is EI-IMF
40 kaitak : Wouldn't it be ironic if it were repossessed!
41 Post contains images EIBusiness : Considering that it's flown by a carrier that's been on the edge of bankruptcy so many times Ironic to say the least! EIBusiness
42 EISHN : I was there a few years ago. Saturday afternoon sorta thing. Not too bad considering it's "in the middle of nowhere" as far as most people would be c
43 Nibog : Many thanks everyone,just as I thought,now I can go and give them a heads up as to what to expect(or not seeing as they are heading to warmer climate
44 Post contains links kaitak : Flights still being cancelled, even today, due to the dispute! http://www.independent.ie/national-n...ruling-due-on-dispute-2528067.html Why is this h
45 Post contains links oa260 : lol... Some more info about the cancellations etc... Aer Lingus has said flight cancellations due to the industrial dispute with the IMPACT cabin cre
46 Post contains links dstc47 : http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...eland/2011/0207/1224289182551.html Omni DC 10 returns to SNN yesterday with engine problem.
47 thediplomat : Seems that BD's much promoted additional service to DUB is just a slot filler. It will be operated by an ER4 BD 126 DUB 13:30 LHR 14:50 ER4 0 ---4---
48 Post contains images oa260 : Oh that was a given lol... they will take it off when they feel like it
49 EIBoston : The dispute was setlled on Thursday night late, so they have 3 full days to get it sorted for Monday. A real poor effort all round.
50 Post contains links and images thediplomat : Happy 15th Anniversary to the current Aer Lingus Livery. Rolled out on 15th Feb 1996. It has weathered the time well in my opinion. How time flies. In
51 Post contains links Eagleboy : Can't be crew related (maybe 'shouldn't be' would be a better phrase) as I assume EI will just let crew revert to their original planned rosters from
52 EI320 : Hard to believe it's been 15 years. It's such a timeless livery and easily distinguishable from all the 'Eurowhite' liveries around these days. Looks
53 EIBoston : I am not so sure about that Eagleboy. That area is real small. 3 rows only. I don't think it would be worth it. What would you do? Convert it to 2x3x
54 Eagleboy : I was making the point that EI could leave the existing seats and offer a better service to the 15-20 pax in that area.This fits with the strategy out
55 kaitak : You're quite right; it is a very smart looking livery and although we're all well used to it now, it is very popular and I've heard many people say t
56 shamrock604 : Good points kaitak, and all the more relevant given DL reporting that "demand has returned" and reporting 90% loads to Ireland. EI are very clearly do
57 wexfordflyer : I think you're right that it's timeless and distinguishable but I have to say I don't find it to be all that exciting a livery. I would love to see E
58 al2637 : AFAIK, the DL Comfort Economy if modelled after KL, doesn't offer any additional service, or an improved seat. It is simply 4 inches extra legroom. Al
59 styles9002 : I am not sure who is included in that collective 'we' but please don't speak for me on such a subjective issue.
60 Eagleboy : Oops! I wasn't trying to drag you into the ALFC. As Kaitak points out other airlines are doing OK on these routes and EI are looking for excuses. Som
61 oa260 : Yes a mate and I commented on the EI livery the other day as we got off the A/C its got many years left yet as its still as good as the day it was la
62 Post contains links EIBusiness : You make some very interesting points Kaitak. However, the declines during the past 12 months must be seen in the context of capacity reduction. Load
63 BrianDromey : I wouldn't take too much notice of that. BD and equipment changes go hand-in-hand. This weekend I was scheduled to fly LHR-MAN on the leased-in Astra
64 neutral : This must have hurt Ryanair Ryanair paid 3.5m euro last month to the Dublin Airport Authority to settle a legal action relating to the breach of a fiv
65 tonymctigue : I would be resonably confident SNN-ATL will return as a summer only route at some point in the future. DL have a ticket desk and staff at SNN so the
66 AmricanShamrok : The Aer Lingus livery certainly stands out. My relatives in Chicago say it's among the most distinguishable that flies into O'Hare along with KLM.
67 Eagleboy : While it would be nice to think the EI livery stands out on it own merits I think the fact that the actual colour is above the white makes it stand ou
68 SunCEO : Can anyone confirm if the DUB MAD service from Iberia is changing from the usual A320 to a CRJ900 op by Air Nostrum? Just was checking flights on club
69 IRISH251 : Changing from 1 May, I believe, though in fact a CRJ has already appeared on the route on 8 February.
70 gulfstream : Advice on Dublin arrival please. Am due to arrive DUB on EI 136 on 24 February. The scheduled time of arrival is 05:20 but in fact the actual arrival
71 dstc47 : See the Dublin Bus website for bus times from the Airport. It looks as if the direct service 748 does not begin until somewhat later., around 07.00 T
72 tonymctigue : That was kept aweful quiet. I remember Martin Moroney stating publicly at the time that the SAA were going to consider legal action against FR when t
73 Post contains links Eagleboy : Have been told that EI T/A service will start to move to T2 from today. Apparently they are switching 1 service today, another on Friday, then the las
74 EIEIO : I've noticed that Aer Lingus have started to add the last two letters of the aircraft's registration to the top of the tail. It will be a welcome for
75 Post contains links shamrock350 : Well that's good to hear, now we just have to wait for the new Gold Circle Lounge to be revealed! Now that's a great shot, could be a scene from an a
76 Post contains images eicvd : Now that really is a nice photo. I hope this a/c operates either the FR112 or 119 on saturday!
77 Post contains images oa260 : Very nice pic a bit like an EI Terminal 5 Great to see full use being made aswell as the T/A's .
78 Ire2008 : Just checked random dates on iberia's website. I checked 1-7th of june, is there 2 flights on the 7th from madrid Or is it a mistake? Thanks Kevin
79 AerLingusA330 : He can very well speak for me. I've said it a few times on the last couple threads 2/11 and 3/11. EI should dominate the Ireland-US market. Americans
80 neutral : Any details on Ryanair's proposal or what they were or are looking for see below from Ryanair's site It is remarkable, at a time when thousands of job
81 EIBoston : I have always wondered how the deliveries work? Does Boeing call FR and say, you plane is ready, send a few pilots over to collect it?? Or do Boeing
82 kaitak : Just FR propaganda; you can be pretty sure that the strings attached to this would be pretty much unacceptable or unviable, probably contrary to EU c
83 Post contains images shamrock321 : The Iberia staff at DUB are to be no more either! All will be done by handling agent now, so Iberia office will close
84 tolmachevo : I remember posters on here stating that EI Regional would also be in T2. No sign of that happening? I suppose it would be too sensible.
85 kaitak : No, the aircraft is legally handed over at BFI and the airline's own pilot are sent over to bring it back. They've been quite busy with deliveries in
86 Eagleboy : Well the poster was just repeating info given by a DAA staffer so it may well have been planned. We will have to wait and see. I assume FR are given
87 EI320 : EI Regional ops will move in due course.
88 EIBoston : Thanks kaitak. Yes they have been very busy lately.
89 EIRules : Very sad, but not a major surprise. When EI were in OneWorld the two codeshared from DUB-MAD allowing very good connections onto the IB Latin America
90 kaitak : But it was surely IB's decision to change its flight time from the 18.55 departure it used to be (perfect for LatAm and SA departures) to the current
91 neutral : Hopefully peace will follow from the RTE site The Aer Lingus dispute over cabin crew rosters that led to hundreds of flights being cancelled has been
92 EIRules : Thats what I mean. IB changing their schedule left them with a flight at a time which didnt do anything for anyone
93 shamrock604 : IB are always pretty full at DUB though: people are making too much of this. Sure, the aircraft gets smaller, but it will be daily instead of 4 per w
94 shamrock604 : But EI's long haul service is a bloody joke! It's only redeeming feature is decent IFE and new cabins. There are too few crew, meaning a complete lac
95 kaitak : Which begs the question again: should they move to a new model; now that we're in a different (and difficult economic environment), maybe now is the
96 shamrock604 : Mueller rulled it out last year. He said that he could now "categorically state that long haul point to point low cost simply doesnt work". I think a
97 shamrock321 : Iberia was daily A320/321 during the summer anyway, so year on year we are down seats!
98 shamrock604 : My error then. I thought IB only offered 4 per week during the summer just gone also. This would not be such a bad thing if IB also launched a second
99 EIRules : Would it be such a bad thing for them to go back to codesharing with EI? BA still do it despite the OW deaprture and AA still ticket from DUB using E
100 shamrock604 : IIRC relations between EI and IB were pretty frosty even back in OW days. Sure, they could offer a better product together than apart, like a thrice
101 styles9002 : So why did you post a comment then? A different breed to what? I would suggest that any of the US carriers would have as much claim as Aer Lingus (or
102 Post contains images EI1989 : I just saw on twitter that there's been a major incident at Cork airport. The Manx 2 flight from Belfast has apparently crashed. There are reports of
103 JBR2008 : Irish Times and RTE reporting that the Manx2 Belfast to Cork flight has overturned and caught fire on landing at ORK, 12 people on board, anyone got a
104 EIBusiness : This is truly horrific news. Unconfirmed reports of at least 8 fatalities and 14 injuries according to RTE.ie news just now. Our thoughts and prayers
105 Post contains links shamrock350 : Terrible news, just turned on Sky News to see it as their top story. There are some pictures on twitter: http://twitpic.com/3y936u/full http://twitpic
106 JBR2008 : Word is it is a Dornier 228
107 f1eddie : God this is awful news. My sympathies to all involved.
108 dstc47 : From Irish Times "A small aircraft has crashed on the runway of Cork airport this morning. The Manx2 airline flight from Belfast to Cork reportedly ov
109 Post contains links and images rojam : RTE announces unconfirmed report of 8 fatalaties [link - content will change] Cork Airport Authority said "to expect the worst" - that's 12 - on RTE R
110 EI320 : Absolutely horrific news. My heart goes out to all those involved.
111 Post contains images gosimeon : RIP to those who lost their lives. A sad day for Ireland and Irish aviaiton
112 330Guy : I'm hearing it's a Metroliner SW4, can anyone confirm?? RIP to everyone who lost thier lives this morning[Edited 2011-02-10 03:16:32]
113 JBR2008 : Other thread saying its a Metro reg EC ITP operating on behalf of Manx 2. Havent seen firm confirmation on type yet.
114 Post contains links and images EI320 : It appears that this was the aircraft involved: View Large View MediumPhoto © Michael Brazier-Aviation-Images
115 Post contains links shamrock350 : Another photo from the scene; http://yfrog.com/f/h0ig0aj/ Weather has cleared up slightly around the airport but most of us know how quickly it can ch
116 Post contains images Phen : Dreadful news this morning, just saw it now. RIP to those who perished and a speedy recovery to the injured. I got such a shock when I read it, its so
117 wexfordflyer : RIP to those who have died and thoughts with everyone involved. It shocks you even more when you hear about something like this happens so near you.
118 tonymctigue : This is an aweful tragedy no matter when or where it occurs but somehow, when it happens on your own soil, it just seems so much more real.
119 Jambost : Awful news, my heart pours out to the families of those onboard. Dont take my word for it but from the haunting images I seen I suspect the aircraft i
120 AmricanShamrok : This is such a shock. RIP to those killed. So rare to see commercial air accidents here. 8 Cork-bound arrivals diverted to Shannon so far with ORK exp
121 AerLingusA330 : I agree 100%. They do need to change it, but change it by upgrading it. CM has said the low fare won't work long-haul and as was pointed out on the t
122 gosimeon : ORK now shut until tomorrow.
123 kaitak : Indeed, I cannot recall the last fatal accident involving a commercial aircraft in Ireland; has there actually been any since EI-AOM? I know there ha
124 auntie : Terrible news indeed from Cork this morning, my thoughts are with all those affected. I see the EI105 is down to depart from T2 tomorrow, this is grea
125 AerLingusA330 : I'm almost positive you still can. All the years of going through pre-clearance in SNN I use to see people purchasing cigarettes on board.
126 legacyins : Duty free is no longer avialble after being pre-cleared in SNN/DUB. Before, you cleared immigration formailities in Ireland before arriving in the U.S
127 dstc47 : I believe you are correct, certainly the last scheduled commercial casualty, if you exclude air taxi and the Caravan crash or helos. Which is a prett
128 Post contains images SURFER : You cant buy them anymore onboard because seeing as the aircraft clears in DUB it is then classed as a domestic flight into the US so no sale of alco
129 330Guy : I have a quick question, Im booked to fly in FR next week and the name on my ticket is wrong. The ticket name is Steve but my passport name is Stephen
130 Post contains links and images AmricanShamrok : I was just at Shannon to see what's going on with regard to diversions etc. Busy enough now in the the terminal with 12-15 queueing for each of the Ae
131 330Guy : Are they the diverted Omni DC10's? They've been there a few days now
132 Eagleboy : Read on another site that -DVL will be arriving AFTER EI-DVM No question that EI is a niche carrier, in my opinion more reason of it to do very well
133 shamrock604 : Wow, what a terrible day for us all in Irish aviation. RIP to those killed, speedy recovery to the survivors - and sympathies to our colleagues at Cor
134 Post contains images auntie : Thanks a mil for all the replies folks. I will be sure and warn my colleague that all cigarette purchasing must be done at the airport! .....assuming
135 shamrock604 : On that note, both the 105 and 125 (Early JFK and ORD) are both departing T2 tomorrow!
136 wexfordflyer : I had a similar problem 2 weeks ago when flying FR. My brother's passport said Dave but I bought his ticket as David. I rang FR and they changed it n
137 oa260 : Very true I have just woken up this morning reading this quite shocking RIP to all the victims when I saw the headline on RTE news I couldnt believe
138 Post contains links shamrock350 : Aer Lingus are looking for aircraft cleaners and customer service agents, I thought they outsourced cleaning and that's the first time I've ever seen
139 330Guy : Thanks for the info, I was kind of thinking along the same lines, but better safe than sorry.
140 Post contains links gosimeon : Manx2 to continue the Belfast to Cork route it seems: http://www.three.fm/newscentre/isle-...d-conclusion-into-fatal-crash-2985 Edit: This message was
141 Post contains images legoguy : Very sad news about the Manx2 crash at Cork. It really does hit close to home Very sad to think it flew over my home yesterday, only for it to be sitt
142 eicvd : Eastern Airways most likely, they have a few flights due in today & tomorrow. Why wouldnt they continue it?
143 AerLingusA330 : Thanks for correcting me on this. I was thinking of Immigration Pre-Clearance and forgot it was just that, not Customs too. -AerLingusA330
144 Post contains links and images MichaelEI : Wow, such a tragedy in ORK. My prayers are with the families and friends of all those killed, and injured in the crash. R.I.P. - Okay, question. I may
145 shamrock321 : Air France 777 with French rugby team due in tommorow before 12 I believe.
146 MichaelEI : Paris-Orly Air France AF4006 12/02 10:40 That'd be the ORY flight I believe. Might head out to see it. I remember when I was 13 seeing an AF 77W from
147 EireRock : That should mean there will be 2 AF777's in Dublin at the same time. The AF Cargo flight from Chicago is scheduled to be a 777 this week also. Also A
148 oa260 : Great to see AC back 7 days , looks like they are using a B763 in Y only config. I wonder if they have F class Domestic seating in the first few rows
149 Eagleboy : The info is incorrect. All EI A320s are 174 seats. No rumours or plans concerning Y+ or J for Europe. The website hasn't updated itself after the new
150 Post contains links EI787 : http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...opens-lounge-at-dublin-airports-t2 Looking forward to seeing some pics of this!
151 Post contains links and images IRISH251 : Here are the pictures: F-GSQP Boeing 777-328ER by Irish251, on Flickr F-GUOC Boeing 777F-28 by Irish251, on Flickr
152 AmricanShamrok : There were 4 Omni Air International aircraft in Shannon Thursday evening (nearly a third of the OY fleet!). 3 were parked on-stand (2x DC10s and 1x 7
153 Post contains links kaitak : "But February made me shiver With every paper I’d deliver. Bad news on the doorstep ..." And so the bad news continues to trickle through ... http:/
154 scarebus03 : It's probably the one that made the inflight return due to an engine failure last Monday. Brgds SB03
155 Post contains links EIBusiness : Hardly suprising though and it's really just an annualised summary of what we have seen reflected in the individual airports numbers throughout the y
156 Post contains images Greenjet : It's no surprise that passenger figures in Ireland and the UK suffered, what with the volcanic ash cloud and the December weather. On the plus side,
157 BrianDromey : I have long held this view. Although Ireland is in a good geographic location for on-wards travel westbound, eastbound, not so much. As I see it the
158 kaitak : I think is something we've been saying on our threads for quite a while; we know (believe?) that EI is looking for a 100 seat jet and hopefully, now
159 Post contains images EI787 : I found a pic of it: Lovely!
160 Eagleboy : Looking at another thread on UA/CO cross fleet ops. 3 route/equipment changes stand out for me: "eff 6/9 second IAD-CDG flight on CO B-757 eff 9/1 IAD
161 Post contains links and images IRISH251 : Anyone spot this very nice upload from today: View Large View MediumPhoto © Gabriel Desmond
162 Post contains links and images kaitak : Great photo, although I think the caption is wrong; the registration of the Viscount is hard to read, but it looks to me like EI-AOH, which would be a
163 dstc47 : FG TD Fergus O'Dowd wants to reopen or reexamine the Irish SAR contract, if in office. Whether this is because of issues raised in the UK, or for othe
164 Toulouse : Hi all, Haven't posted in a looooooong time, just too busy, but have been following the threads. Noticed this rather new schedule Iberia is introducin
165 Eagleboy : Have been told to expect the EI 2010 full year results at the end of this month. Should allow all us armchair CEOs to see the effects of the Greenfiel
166 shamrock321 : So indeed IB will be double daily at DUB most days in the summer, much better than what we previously thought! Makes South American connections alot s
167 EIBusiness : Indeed, there will be a live webcast presentation detailing the results on Monday 28th February. EIBusiness[Edited 2011-02-14 06:26:25]
168 oa260 : Maybe LH are happy with DUB-ZRH ticking over and not effecting DUB-FRA connections.
169 clydenairways : Are you sure that's right? If the flights are 5min apart i'd say it's more likely the old flights have just not been removed from the res system yet.
170 Eagleboy : Was recently told about this, sounds interesting: "Aer Lingus Joins IACA: Aer Lingus joined the International Air Carrier Association (IACA) as a full
171 shamrock321 : IB flight have been resceduled for a 1225 and 1600 deprture from MAD.
172 Post contains links Toulouse : Re Iberia, it actually appears that IB will no longer serve DUB with its own metal, as it is transferring numerous flights over to Vueling and Air Nos
173 IRISH251 : I think the caption is referring to the V700 being Aer Lingus's first turboprop but is not suggesting that the subject of the photo is a 700. EI-AOH
174 oa260 : Shame to see but at least it still gives IB a small feed to it's wider network. Who knows in time they may upgrade it again. When you think of their
175 Post contains links kaitak : A BA 777 had to make an emergency diversion en route BOS-LHR yesterday, after a 13 month old baby suffered a fit; the aircraft landed on 06 and the ch
176 Post contains links EIBusiness : Broker cuts Aer Lingus rating as oil price rise hits earnings http://www.independent.ie/business/i...ce-rise-hits-earnings-2540326.html The first indi
177 Post contains links shamrock350 : Just seen some examples of Aer Lingus advertising T2, I really like the Shamrock heart they've gone with. http://www.flickr.com/photos/darren_hall/544
178 Post contains images oa260 : Yes they look well. I landed into T2 last night from LGW, flight was very good crew were great in fact one could accuse them of being over enthusiast
179 shamrock350 : Thanks for the photos, I'm actually flying LHR-DUB with EI next week so looking forward to seeing it for myself. That's nice to hear, were they all G
180 oa260 : Yes all LGW based , One Indian guy who oddly enough had the US Flag on his badge, an African lady and a very well spoken English lady with an Irish n
181 tonymctigue : Seems EI are in the middle of an advertising blitz at the moment. Loads of billboards around the SNN area at the moment. SNN-CDG seems to be the targe
182 dstc47 : Talking of advertising I got an on-screen advert for CO flights to New York with the DAA logo on it this morning. Presumably some form of route suppor
183 Post contains links 330Guy : Just seen this. an FR incident in alicante, Landed without clearence http://www.avherald.com/h?article=437de80e&opt=0 Thankfully it turned out to
184 oa260 : I even noticed it in London and parts of Surrey they were advertising Ireland from GBP19.99 also in the newspapers. Its the most noticable campaign I
185 Post contains images M6480 : Draft copy of a proposed Dublin layout
186 330Guy : I seen something similir recently, slightly different tho, it didnt have the terminals to the left and Pied D extended back almost as far as H6 with
187 Eagleboy : I think I seen the same thing. It was a plan for EIDW in 2035. Pier A and B had been replaced by straight out Piers similar to the current Pier E. Th
188 Post contains links oa260 : Something that was not a total surprise hopefully 2011 will be a better year all round for SNN. A GROUP of airline, tourism and economics experts will
189 330Guy : Yes im pretty sure we seen the same one.... Im not sure the updated one is scaled back tho, the 3 satellite terminals to the west would almost double
190 Post contains links sawtooth : At first the January CAA figures for SNN look very bad, many UK routes down significantly on already difficult 2010. LPL -53%, LGW -42% BHX -48%, BRS
191 kaitak : I recall seeing something like that, but not including (what appears to be) the underground rail link; somehow that looks quite optimistic and the co
192 BrianDromey : Interesting to see the numbers for Irish airports. SNN has taken another large hit, although I would expect this to improve as the year progresses. Fo
193 330Guy : you are quite right, And it will take a hell of a lot for anything remotly like those plans to ever come to fruition, But all the same if the right p
194 eicvd : I noticed those ads in central London last week too at quite a few bus-stops.
195 M6480 : I didn’t have time to post earlier. I got the image from a mate that works in a company that does all this kind of pre planning stuff for the DAA, N
196 EIBusiness : LOL! How did you guess Kaitak? On a more serious note however, I think you're 100% correct in your points above. The (any) government will have virtu
197 BrianDromey : It's relatively simple and I have done it at MCO, LHR T5 A/B/C and ZRH Pier E. There are variations, but the basic permise is that there are two plat
198 Post contains links and images EI320 : I'll post this here for anyone who hasn't seen it, worth a look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JPT3feipJ8&feature=topvideos
199 AmricanShamrok : I've seen the same with the Shannon Airport logo. Is this an update to the 2035 blueprint? I saw the leaders' debate on TG4 this evening and the issu
200 Eagleboy : I didn't realise those were satellite terminals...and an underground rail link? ..someone is getting very optimistic! Now that is absolutely fantasti
201 kaitak : Brilliant, but I have to say that the German TV sketch was absolutely superb!
202 Post contains links and images oa260 : Thats very funny thanks for the link ---- Hanafin sought hold on travel tax Wednesday, February 16, 2011 THE Minister for Tourism, Mary Hanafin wrote
203 tonymctigue : It does look bad from SNN's point of view but thing should stabilise. It is no secret that the FR had artificially inflated passenger numbers on many
204 Post contains links sawtooth : Another article on BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12494476 Manx2 passing responsibility to Flightline BC. As a "virtual" airline/
205 styles9002 : Very entertaining and probably quite true!
206 neutral : The DAA hit back at Ryanair's swipe on landing charges etc full details on the DAA website small snipet below DAA Chief Executive Declan Collier and s
207 BrianDromey : It's very poor, alright. There is a snipet in the Examiner article which makes it clear that either the operating airline, or contracting carrier are
208 AmricanShamrok : Anyone know if this flight is operated by Aer Lingus? The flight number seems a bit off: (Dublin Airport Departures 18/02/11) T2 Krakow Aer Lingus EI2
209 shamrock604 : That would normally indicate a flight supplementary to the normal schedule - maybe the KRK flight today went tech, or a reason like that. EI do that
210 AmricanShamrok : Oh I think I've seen them do that before actually. Thanks!
211 shamrock604 : Just to confirm that the new IB summer schedule seems to be loaded now, with 2 daily flights operated by Air Nostrum CRJ 900. The departures from MAD
212 oa260 : Yes saw that and the fares are pretty good also .
213 Post contains images EIBusiness : Some positive news indeed. I have to say that I've always found Air Nostrum to be a fantastic (little) if that's apt - carrier. Whether on CRJ or DH8
214 Post contains links kaitak : It is despicable, but it's all part of the legal game playing by the airline. Manx2 may have contracted Flightline to operate the flight, but they re
215 Post contains links shamrock350 : Getting nasty between the DAA and Ryanair again. Ryanair Rejects DAA’s €60 Million Incentive Offer to Deliver New Passengers http://www.dublinairp
216 neutral : It would be interesting to know the figures for Aer Lingus and Ryanair at Dublin over the last year.Ryanair are very good at selective cuts and aircra
217 Post contains images Eagleboy : But surely those same transfer pax discounts are available for FR if they decided to avail of them? Is FR looking for discount on existing routes? Did
218 Post contains links kaitak : I think the dispute between FR and the DAA will run and run; interesting to see FG's comments about the complete abolition of the air travel tax, subj
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