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Virgin Atlantic's Future Plans For Its Fleet  
User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16034 times:

Hi there. The reason I'm posting this is because of trends I'm seeing. Slowly, the Boeing 747-400 is starting to fall out of favor with many airlines, and the A340-300 is aging in most cases. I'm wondering if Virgin Atlantic is looking to retire these two birds anytime soon. With the A380 coming up, as well as possibly the A350 and Boeing 787, is there any possibility of Virgin doing this? Also, is there any chance Virgin may end up buying some A340-500s? I thought they had ordered some A330s, but I'm also wondering if they plan on sticking to their "4 Engines 4 Long Haul" concept. Thanks.


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User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8424 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 15976 times:
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Virgins future fleet will include the A330-300 and the 787-9. The 6 A380 on order have been deferred and probably will not be delivered. The A340-300 are on their way out but teh -600 probably will stay since they are well amortized and of little value on the used market. VA 744 probably have another 5 years since they are the only thing that can haul 500 people to Orlando.

User currently offlineU2380 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2010, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 15905 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
The 6 A380 on order have been deferred and probably will not be delivered

Yeah you see, this is only your opinion.
SRB even said, at the Virgin America A320 order, that the current plan is still to take delivery of them.


User currently offlinemattdell From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 15873 times:

I could see the A380s being a vital replacement for the aging 747-400's on the MCO routes from MAN & LGW. Like the jfk777 said, how else are you going to haul 500 people to Orlando?

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5263 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 15820 times:

I think the 747's will stay - especially as they are not popular frames anymore so lease rates must be low.

User currently offlinecloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15688 times:

Quoting mattdell (Reply 3):
I could see the A380s being a vital replacement for the aging 747-400's on the MCO routes from MAN & LGW. Like the jfk777 said, how else are you going to haul 500 people to Orlando?

A380 is way too big for such a route and why replace a 744 with a high-density 333s on this route? VS is also competing with a lot of charter traffic to MCO and SFB too.

According to airfleets.net VS has 37 aircraft in operation. The breakdown

343: 6 (4 leased)
346: 19 (8 leased)
744: 12 (4 leased)

Additions:

333: 5 (5 leased)

What fleet mix would suit VS?



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User currently offlineAPYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15435 times:

I guess any fleet renewal plans may be influenced by new owners


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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3635 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15280 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
VA 744 probably have another 5 years since they are the only thing that can haul 500 people to Orlando.

VS have some of the youngest 744's in service.

The LGW fleet are only 9 years old, so should have at least another 10 years life left.


User currently offlineRG787 From Brazil, joined Nov 2010, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14879 times:

748 anyone? 
We can dream can't we?


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11668 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14326 times:

Quoting cloud4000 (Reply 5):
A380 is way too big for such a route

Far from it, the A380s would be perfect. That way Virgin Holidays could ship even even more Brits out to Florida for even less cost per seat, a tour operator's wet dream.


Dan  



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User currently offlineeraugrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14181 times:

Quoting RG787 (Reply 8):
748 anyone? 
We can dream can't we?

I'll dream with you...  . I'd def want it to come true. Why not. The 748i Is gonna prove to be an awesome. Airplane.

Desmond in ILM,



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12079 times:
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The 748 would be an ideal a/c for VS and is an aircraft that will allow them more flexibility over the A380. On the other hand, and though there's been much talk about why SRB has deferred the A380 for a long period of time, I wouldn't be surprised to see them take delivery and configure them very lavishly.

I do think we'll see more A330 & 789s ordered. I'm not sure what will come of the aircraft in the 400+ seat configuration.


User currently offlineSlinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 843 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11804 times:

On some days in high season VS has 5x747s packed to the rafters with c. 450 seats on runs from LGW-MCO and MAN/GLA-MCO. Whether 748i or A380, they have the demand for VLAs and the simple truth is that there's an order on the book for A380s. Secondly, VS has had no slot expansion at LHR for a long time ... it's arguable if an A380 would work from LHR, but with BA rumoured to be running them to NYC or LAX / SFO for example, VS doing the same might release a slot pair for expansion with A333s or B787s also on order to lower yielding markets.

I think dreaming of a 748i in VS colours is just that. Whether they'll actually take the A380 or not is arguable given the ongoing delays, but with traffic building now, maybe the time is right and some of the leased 747s might go for the lower cost to operate A380.


User currently offlineAAMDanny From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11090 times:

The current 744's are hear too stay for a little while longer for sure. The LHR fleet have been retrofitted with VPORT and the LGW/MAN high density config aircraft are all going in for a enitre cabin overhaul including new seats, new Panasonic IFE etc etc, the leases where extended and I believe they got them at a ridiculously low low rate.

User currently offlinescrappy27 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8498 times:

and dont forget the "4 engines for longhaul" slogans slapped allover the fuselage.... yeah right!? what happened there??

User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 761 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8390 times:

Quoting U2380 (Reply 2):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
The 6 A380 on order have been deferred and probably will not be delivered

Yeah you see, this is only your opinion.
SRB even said, at the Virgin America A320 order, that the current plan is still to take delivery of them.


He says a lot of things e.g. Saving Concorde even though it was technically impossible by time he made his statement, and the 4 for long-haul slogan dropped weeks before the 787 order..... My personal opinion is that we will never see VS A380s.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5263 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8263 times:

Quoting scrappy27 (Reply 14):
and dont forget the "4 engines for longhaul" slogans slapped allover the fuselage.... yeah right!? what happened there??

I think that was dropped about 5 years ago with the 787 order. Old news!


User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7914 times:

frankly, the a380 is just too much plane for MCO. it needs to be utilized for third-world countries and maybe australia. as for their 747s they should be replaced very quickly by the 380s. the rest of the fleet shouldn't change much since VS doesn't have many types of a/c to begin with.


From the airport with love
User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 761 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7648 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 16):
think that was dropped about 5 years ago with the 787 order. Old news!

It was dropped at the most one year before the order.


User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7030 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 17):
frankly, the a380 is just too much plane for MCO. it needs to be utilized for third-world countries and maybe australia.

Which third world countries?


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3635 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6752 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 17):
frankly, the a380 is just too much plane for MCO. it needs to be utilized for third-world countries and maybe australia. as for their 747s they should be replaced very quickly by the 380s. the rest of the fleet shouldn't change much since VS doesn't have many types of a/c to begin with.

MCO is VS's single largest destination, as stated previously up to 5 x 744 daily each with 450 seats. If there's no possible justification for ever using the 380 on this route, its difficult to see a justification for anywhere else. As to "their 747's should be replaced very quickly by the 380's; over half are either used to MCO (where you say they are too big) or on routes to the Carribbean. In addition as I posted earlier VS has a relatively young 744 fleet, many might say that they still have a good few years left in them yet.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4974 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6631 times:

Quoting Thrust (Thread starter):
With the A380 coming up,

Are you referring to the deferred order of 6 x A380's...

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
The 6 A380 on order have been deferred and probably will not be delivered.

Exactly... My opinion VS will continue to defer even though they had great big plans for the aircraft...

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 7):
The LGW fleet are only 9 years old, so should have at least another 10 years life left.

That's a pretty young fleet of B744's... Are these Ex-SQ birds or on leasing terms?

Quoting RG787 (Reply 8):
748 anyone?
We can dream can't we?

I wish... Certainly will continue to dream...

EK413



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5263 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6536 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 21):
That's a pretty young fleet of B744's... Are these Ex-SQ birds or on leasing terms?

Some were new builds that were due to go to Alitalia, but at the last moment got leased to VS on very good rates. Even the signs in the lavs etc are in english and italian!


User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8424 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6249 times:
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Quoting ANstar (Reply 22):
That's a pretty young fleet of B744's... Are these Ex-SQ birds or on leasing terms?

No ex-SQ 744 at VA. ALL the 744 at VA were new to VA, the LGW fleet is largely a group Alitalia planes that were cancelled by AL.


User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6005 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 17):
frankly, the a380 is just too much plane for MCO. it needs to be utilized for third-world countries and maybe australia. as for their 747s they should be replaced very quickly by the 380s. the rest of the fleet shouldn't change much since VS doesn't have many types of a/c to begin with.

lol what the hell kind of statement is that? "utlized for 3rd world countries" I dont get it...


25 Vasu : Is this "panasonic" IFE the same as V:PORT? Or are they still going to have a different product to the LHR aircraft? On a sidenote, does anyone know
26 Post contains links kaitak : What's the story with the A330s; as far as I can see, only one will join the fleet this year. The others are apparently going to CI (which is odd, bec
27 Post contains links trex8 : Per V flyer http://v-flyer.com/forum/index.php?f...hilit=A330&rb_v=viewtopic&start=20 , 2 will definitely be joining VS. 4 (maybe 3) are head
28 LHRFlyer : No major decisions regarding its fleet are likely to be made whilst the position on its future ownership/strategic direction is unclear.
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