ata757300 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 26 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10285 times:
I see where Hawaiian flew L-1011's I am assuming before their DC-10's from AA. Does anyone know how many were in their fleet, where they came from and what the interiors looked like, colors etc.
I was also curious what the interior colors of their Dc-8's were?
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21681 posts, RR: 23 Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10172 times:
HA operated a total of 8 L-1011s between about 1985 and 1994. Five were ex-All Nippon, 2 ex-TWA and 1 ex-Delta. The DL aircraft was operated by a couple of other carriers before HA and was leased from an Irish leasing company and kept its Irish registration while with HA.
Gordomatic From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 92 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10059 times:
N901WA From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 389 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9960 times:
I always thought the HAL L-1011 looked Great in HAL Paint. Parts on one ended up in the ATA L-1011-500 that had 8 main cabin doors put on. Delta and Lockheed took the L/R-3 door and crown off one of the ExHal L-1011 in Mojave and did the work in ATL I forget what year. I'll did up my photo's and post them. I the one exDelta L-1011 had a hard life with Air America before going to HAL. I miss the L-1011's
I found the picture. It was Kaho'olawe that gave up the parts for the ATA -500 Here's the pic.
smoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1227 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9688 times:
This may not be relevant, but on wikipedia it says Hawaiian Airlines used to serve BNE. Was this service nonstop? (Or even exist)
HNLPointShoot From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 280 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9598 times:
Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4): This may not be relevant, but on wikipedia it says Hawaiian Airlines used to serve BNE. Was this service nonstop? (Or even exist)
The Wiki article doesn't supply a citation for that, so I'd say it never existed.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22253 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9504 times:
I had business dealings with HA for much of the 80s and 90s and man those L-1011's were POS. Had more AOG's and operational problems than I care to remember often at the most inopportune places like remote US military bases or in the Middle East. For a while leading up the Gulf War, HA was even taken off the list of allowed military contractors.
One interesting thing was the ex ANA birds still retained much of their former interior such as side wall, and Japanese signage.
Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4): This may not be relevant, but on wikipedia it says Hawaiian Airlines used to serve BNE. Was this service nonstop? (Or even exist)
Can't recall BNE, however I do know AKL and SYD were both served with the DC-8s as scheduled service.
I would not be surprised if there might have been some charter series at BNE as HA was very active in the global charter arena at the time with L-1011s and especially DC-8s.
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ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3494 posts, RR: 6 Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9375 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6): I had business dealings with HA for much of the 80s and 90s and man those L-1011's were POS.
Yes they were. I recall the ex-ANA L-1011s having major corrosion issues.
Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4): This may not be relevant, but on wikipedia it says Hawaiian Airlines used to serve BNE. Was this service nonstop? (Or even exist)
I do not recall if this flight ever operated, but I'm pretty sure it was announced, pending government approval. I recall a flight schedule that announced several routes to Australia and New Zealand. All the flights to Australia and New Zealand were 1-stop flights.
Flyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 396 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9255 times:
Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4): This may not be relevant, but on wikipedia it says Hawaiian Airlines used to serve BNE. Was this service nonstop? (Or even exist)
No as far as i can recall it never served Brisbane, it has only ever served SYD. They dropped SYD I cant remember when but I do haev a pic of a L-1011 in HA livery at Sydney so that would have been in the 80s them they resumed SYD a couple of years ago with 767s. But I dont think they ever served Brisbane or any other Australian city apart from SYD.
777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2409 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9049 times:
Quoting ha763 (Reply 7): All the flights to Australia and New Zealand were 1-stop flights.
One-stop via point between the Islands and Australia/New Zealand, or one-stop from HNL to either SYD/AKL and then other cities within those countries (i.e. MEL)? Was the stop tech-related, or part of an effort to ensure the a/c were as loaded as possible?
Western727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 584 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8306 times:
Quoting ha763 (Reply 7): Yes they were. I recall the ex-ANA L-1011s having major corrosion issues.
Why the ex-ANAs and not the others? I mean, forgive my ignorance, but Japan isn't tropical so you got me curious...
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8262 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6): I had business dealings with HA for much of the 80s and 90s and man those L-1011's were POS. Had more AOG's and operational problems than I care to remember often at the most inopportune places like remote US military bases or in the Middle East. For a while leading up the Gulf War, HA was even taken off the list of allowed military contractors.
HA problems in the 80's and 90's is that had no money. I had AOG duty one weekend and was left special instructions from my VP: HA had a TriStar AOG for a flight station window, they submitted the order but we were not release the part until they had paid $60K in overdue bills. A courier delivered the money (in cash) Saturday morning and we gave them the window.
Quoting ha763 (Reply 7): Yes they were. I recall the ex-ANA L-1011s having major corrosion issues.
ANA's TriStar were amount the best maintained they had no more (or less) corrosion problems than any other L-1011 operator.
Quoting N901WA (Reply 3): Delta and Lockheed took the L/R-3 door and crown off one of the ExHal L-1011 in Mojave and did the work in ATL...
Lockheed's involvement in the "L-1011-500's 4th door" was limited to engineering/design data.
charlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1081 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7794 times:
They flew a winter charter service out of MSP in 1987, they aircraft had a lot of mechanical problems, their crews weer difficult to work with and I was happy to see them leave at the end of the season.
TZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1420 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5613 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6): One interesting thing was the ex ANA birds still retained much of their former interior such as side wall, and Japanese signage.
Yes, N763BE which was also N197AT (Big Ed) with ATA retained some of its Japanese/English signage though we relined or painted the sidewalls.
Quoting 474218 (Reply 11): Lockheed's involvement in the "L-1011-500's 4th door" was limited to engineering/design data.
It was Delta's STC.
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DID747 From France, joined Apr 2005, 400 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5577 times:
I flew with my wife HA L1011 from Honolulu to Papeete French Polynesia in April 1994 for wedding trip, what a very nice colorfull flight in a flower decorated cabin and a very good Hawaiian dinner.
HALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1324 posts, RR: 16 Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4318 times:
Ah the L1011's. Now this is a topic that I know alot about! I flew these birds for several years and have very fond (and some not so fond) memories.
Quoting ata757300 (Thread starter): I was also curious what the interior colors of their Dc-8's were?
DC-8 Interior Shot
Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4): This may not be relevant, but on wikipedia it says Hawaiian Airlines used to serve BNE. Was this service nonstop? (Or even exist)
HA has never had service to BNE, and to my recollection, we have never intended to fly to BNE.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
I had business dealings with HA for much of the 80s and 90s and man those L-1011's were POS. Had more AOG's and operational problems than I care to remember often at the most inopportune places like remote US military bases or in the Middle East.
Oh yes. We broke down in just about every city we flew to, but it sure made for some wonderful layovers in faraway places! And btw, I now understand you much better!
Quoting 777fan (Reply 9): One-stop via point between the Islands and Australia/New Zealand, or one-stop from HNL to either SYD/AKL and then other cities within those countries (i.e. MEL)?
HA's service to both AKL and SYD were one stop service from HNL. The stop on both routes was in PPG. We flew HNL-PPG-AKL, and HNL-PPG-SYD.
Quoting charlienorth (Reply 12): They flew a winter charter service out of MSP in 1987, they aircraft had a lot of mechanical problems, their crews weer difficult to work with and I was happy to see them leave at the end of the season.
Are you talking about the flight crews? In what way were they difficult to work with? I also flew these charters on several occasions. We flew charters for MLT and flew from MSP to ACA, SJU, MBJ, LAS, MZT, ZIH, CZM, and CUN.
After several weeks in MSP in the winter, we were happy to leave there too!
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HA L1011's At HNL
Aloha,
HALFA
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luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4104 times:
I remember that Rich had several of the L1011's from HA and they kept the interiors so from the outside it was Rich International and on the inside it was a whole nother story.
luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3884 times:
Quoting ata757300 (Reply 19): i saw an old interior of a rich intl L1011 with a bright red flower interior was that an ex hawaiian l 1011?
mrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1210 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3758 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6): I had business dealings with HA for much of the 80s and 90s and man those L-1011's were POS. Had more AOG's and operational problems than I care to remember often at the most inopportune places like remote US military bases or in the Middle East. For a while leading up the Gulf War, HA was even taken off the list of allowed military contractors.
I don't think that was limited to the HAL L-1011s.. as I recall, ATA seemed to have an L go AOG at least once or twice a month in Misawa during the late 1990s (freedom bird flights).
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charlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1081 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3429 times:
Quoting HALFA (Reply 16): Are you talking about the flight crews? In what way were they difficult to work with? I
The cockpit crews seemed to have a "tude"...and a lot of it could have been they were a long way from home, it was definitely cold weather ops and communication with HQ had to have been difficult..pre cell phone days, and they used to gripe that HQ seemed to be on "aloha time" and really felt no urgency..the other side could be that they may have been more prima donna than other airline crews.
Western727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 584 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3189 times:
Quoting ha763 (Reply 18): It was found during regular maintenance checks.
So are you saying the Ex-ANA Tristars were worse off than the others in terms of corrosion? Not that I doubt you, ha763, but this is surprising for, AFAIK, ANA's got a good rep for maintenance. Can you elaborate? Thanks in advance.
HALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1324 posts, RR: 16 Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3140 times:
Quoting charlienorth (Reply 22): The cockpit crews seemed to have a "tude"...and a lot of it could have been they were a long way from home, it was definitely cold weather ops and communication with HQ had to have been difficult..pre cell phone days, and they used to gripe that HQ seemed to be on "aloha time" and really felt no urgency..the other side could be that they may have been more prima donna than other airline crews.
Ok, thanks for clarifying that. IIRC, most of our L1011 cockpit crews that flew those trips were from our SFO pilot base.
Aloha,
HALFA
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25 charlienorth: No prob Talking pilot bases I believe over the years HA had a lot of unusual pilot bases, the L-188 cres werebased somehhere very "un Hawaiian" same
26 HALFA: Actually, it was the HA DC-8 Crew bases that were far flung. The L1011 Pilots were based in HNL, SFO, LAX, and SEA. But with the DC-8's we had crews
27 777fan: Oh man, a HA crew member in BGR?! I'd be chippy, too! BGR is undoubtedly the most depressing place I've ever been and a complete 180 from HNL. 777fan
28 ha763: Nope. I wasn't working there when the L-1011s were in the fleet. All I know is that I only heard about the ex-ANA ones. Again, it was found during re
29 474218: Hawaiian (HA) operated eight (8) different TriStars. Five (5) that were purchased were ex-ANA (NH), then within a year sold and leased back. Those fi
31 PITrules: It looks like SYD went nonstop sometime between 1988 and 1990: http://airchive.com/html/timetable-a...te-maps/hawaiian/1988-april-3/6922 http://www.d
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