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Hawaiian Airlines Info On Their L-1011  
User currently offlineata757300 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 26 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11169 times:

I see where Hawaiian flew L-1011's I am assuming before their DC-10's from AA. Does anyone know how many were in their fleet, where they came from and what the interiors looked like, colors etc.

I was also curious what the interior colors of their Dc-8's were?

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25983 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11056 times:

HA operated a total of 8 L-1011s between about 1985 and 1994. Five were ex-All Nippon, 2 ex-TWA and 1 ex-Delta. The DL aircraft was operated by a couple of other carriers before HA and was leased from an Irish leasing company and kept its Irish registration while with HA.

User currently offlineGordomatic From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10943 times:

Quoting ata757300 (Thread starter):
how many were in their fleet, where they came from

Viscount beat me to it. Looks like they had 8 according to Airfleets.net.

1046 EI-BTN Scrapped Mojave 1996
1070 XU-900 Stored Roswell 2002 (last picture In Anet 2005)
1072 TF-ABM Scrapped Marana 2002
1082 N197AT Scrapped Roswell 2006
1091 SE-DPX Scrapped Arlanda 1998
1105 N765BE Scrapped Roswell 2004
1112 JY- Parked Amman 2003 (last picture In Anet 2004)
1113 N764BE Scrapped Roswell 1997

Quite a history these 8 L-1011s had.



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User currently offlineN901WA From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10844 times:

I always thought the HAL L-1011 looked Great in HAL Paint. Parts on one ended up in the ATA L-1011-500 that had 8 main cabin doors put on. Delta and Lockheed took the L/R-3 door and crown off one of the ExHal L-1011 in Mojave and did the work in ATL I forget what year. I'll did up my photo's and post them. I the one exDelta L-1011 had a hard life with Air America before going to HAL. I miss the L-1011's  
I found the picture. It was Kaho'olawe that gave up the parts for the ATA -500 Here's the pic.
Big version: Width: 982 Height: 681 File size: 345kb

and a sister L-1011 in HNL.  Smile
Big version: Width: 952 Height: 682 File size: 309kb


[Edited 2011-02-05 19:57:59]

User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1322 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10572 times:

This may not be relevant, but on wikipedia it says Hawaiian Airlines used to serve BNE. Was this service nonstop? (Or even exist)

User currently onlineHNLPointShoot From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10482 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4):
This may not be relevant, but on wikipedia it says Hawaiian Airlines used to serve BNE. Was this service nonstop? (Or even exist)

The Wiki article doesn't supply a citation for that, so I'd say it never existed.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 10388 times:

I had business dealings with HA for much of the 80s and 90s and man those L-1011's were POS. Had more AOG's and operational problems than I care to remember often at the most inopportune places like remote US military bases or in the Middle East. For a while leading up the Gulf War, HA was even taken off the list of allowed military contractors.

One interesting thing was the ex ANA birds still retained much of their former interior such as side wall, and Japanese signage.

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4):
This may not be relevant, but on wikipedia it says Hawaiian Airlines used to serve BNE. Was this service nonstop? (Or even exist)

Can't recall BNE, however I do know AKL and SYD were both served with the DC-8s as scheduled service.
I would not be surprised if there might have been some charter series at BNE as HA was very active in the global charter arena at the time with L-1011s and especially DC-8s.



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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10259 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
I had business dealings with HA for much of the 80s and 90s and man those L-1011's were POS.

Yes they were. I recall the ex-ANA L-1011s having major corrosion issues.

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4):
This may not be relevant, but on wikipedia it says Hawaiian Airlines used to serve BNE. Was this service nonstop? (Or even exist)

I do not recall if this flight ever operated, but I'm pretty sure it was announced, pending government approval. I recall a flight schedule that announced several routes to Australia and New Zealand. All the flights to Australia and New Zealand were 1-stop flights.


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10139 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4):
This may not be relevant, but on wikipedia it says Hawaiian Airlines used to serve BNE. Was this service nonstop? (Or even exist)

No as far as i can recall it never served Brisbane, it has only ever served SYD. They dropped SYD I cant remember when but I do haev a pic of a L-1011 in HA livery at Sydney so that would have been in the 80s them they resumed SYD a couple of years ago with 767s. But I dont think they ever served Brisbane or any other Australian city apart from SYD.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9933 times:

Quoting ha763 (Reply 7):
All the flights to Australia and New Zealand were 1-stop flights.

One-stop via point between the Islands and Australia/New Zealand, or one-stop from HNL to either SYD/AKL and then other cities within those countries (i.e. MEL)? Was the stop tech-related, or part of an effort to ensure the a/c were as loaded as possible?

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User currently offlineWestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 753 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9190 times:

Quoting ha763 (Reply 7):
Yes they were. I recall the ex-ANA L-1011s having major corrosion issues.

Why the ex-ANAs and not the others? I mean, forgive my ignorance, but Japan isn't tropical so you got me curious...



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9146 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
I had business dealings with HA for much of the 80s and 90s and man those L-1011's were POS. Had more AOG's and operational problems than I care to remember often at the most inopportune places like remote US military bases or in the Middle East. For a while leading up the Gulf War, HA was even taken off the list of allowed military contractors.


HA problems in the 80's and 90's is that had no money. I had AOG duty one weekend and was left special instructions from my VP: HA had a TriStar AOG for a flight station window, they submitted the order but we were not release the part until they had paid $60K in overdue bills. A courier delivered the money (in cash) Saturday morning and we gave them the window.

Quoting ha763 (Reply 7):
Yes they were. I recall the ex-ANA L-1011s having major corrosion issues.


ANA's TriStar were amount the best maintained they had no more (or less) corrosion problems than any other L-1011 operator.

Quoting N901WA (Reply 3):
Delta and Lockheed took the L/R-3 door and crown off one of the ExHal L-1011 in Mojave and did the work in ATL...


Lockheed's involvement in the "L-1011-500's 4th door" was limited to engineering/design data.


User currently offlinecharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1133 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8678 times:

They flew a winter charter service out of MSP in 1987, they aircraft had a lot of mechanical problems, their crews weer difficult to work with and I was happy to see them leave at the end of the season.

User currently onlineHA_DC9 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7356 times:

This old thread pretty much summarizes why HA got rid of the L-1011...

Why Hawaiian Air Replace Their L1011 With DC10. (by 747400sp Aug 28 2003 in Civil Aviation)

Pretty much:

1. Maintenance issues & costs
2. Financial issues
3. Sweet deal from AA


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6497 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
One interesting thing was the ex ANA birds still retained much of their former interior such as side wall, and Japanese signage.

Yes, N763BE which was also N197AT (Big Ed) with ATA retained some of its Japanese/English signage though we relined or painted the sidewalls.

Quoting 474218 (Reply 11):
Lockheed's involvement in the "L-1011-500's 4th door" was limited to engineering/design data.

   It was Delta's STC.



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User currently offlineDID747 From France, joined Apr 2005, 411 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6461 times:
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I flew with my wife HA L1011 from Honolulu to Papeete French Polynesia in April 1994 for wedding trip, what a very nice colorfull flight in a flower decorated cabin and a very good Hawaiian dinner.

Yes a nice souvenir...

       



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1367 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

Ah the L1011's. Now this is a topic that I know alot about! I flew these birds for several years and have very fond (and some not so fond) memories.  
Quoting ata757300 (Thread starter):
I was also curious what the interior colors of their Dc-8's were?
DC-8 Interior Shot


Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 4):
This may not be relevant, but on wikipedia it says Hawaiian Airlines used to serve BNE. Was this service nonstop? (Or even exist)

HA has never had service to BNE, and to my recollection, we have never intended to fly to BNE.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):

I had business dealings with HA for much of the 80s and 90s and man those L-1011's were POS. Had more AOG's and operational problems than I care to remember often at the most inopportune places like remote US military bases or in the Middle East.

Oh yes. We broke down in just about every city we flew to, but it sure made for some wonderful layovers in faraway places! And btw, I now understand you much better!

Quoting 777fan (Reply 9):
One-stop via point between the Islands and Australia/New Zealand, or one-stop from HNL to either SYD/AKL and then other cities within those countries (i.e. MEL)?

HA's service to both AKL and SYD were one stop service from HNL. The stop on both routes was in PPG. We flew HNL-PPG-AKL, and HNL-PPG-SYD.

Quoting charlienorth (Reply 12):
They flew a winter charter service out of MSP in 1987, they aircraft had a lot of mechanical problems, their crews weer difficult to work with and I was happy to see them leave at the end of the season.

Are you talking about the flight crews? In what way were they difficult to work with? I also flew these charters on several occasions. We flew charters for MLT and flew from MSP to ACA, SJU, MBJ, LAS, MZT, ZIH, CZM, and CUN.
After several weeks in MSP in the winter, we were happy to leave there too!

,
HA L1011's At HNL


Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

I remember that Rich had several of the L1011's from HA and they kept the interiors so from the outside it was Rich International and on the inside it was a whole nother story.


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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4821 times:
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Quoting Western727 (Reply 10):
Why the ex-ANAs and not the others? I mean, forgive my ignorance, but Japan isn't tropical so you got me curious...
Quoting 474218 (Reply 11):
ANA's TriStar were amount the best maintained they had no more (or less) corrosion problems than any other L-1011 operator.

It was found during regular maintenance checks.


User currently offlineata757300 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4773 times:

i saw an old interior of a rich intl L1011 with a bright red flower interior was that an ex hawaiian l 1011?

User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4768 times:

Quoting ata757300 (Reply 19):
i saw an old interior of a rich intl L1011 with a bright red flower interior was that an ex hawaiian l 1011?

I am sure it must have been



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User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
I had business dealings with HA for much of the 80s and 90s and man those L-1011's were POS. Had more AOG's and operational problems than I care to remember often at the most inopportune places like remote US military bases or in the Middle East. For a while leading up the Gulf War, HA was even taken off the list of allowed military contractors.

I don't think that was limited to the HAL L-1011s.. as I recall, ATA seemed to have an L go AOG at least once or twice a month in Misawa during the late 1990s (freedom bird flights).



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User currently offlinecharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1133 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4313 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 16):
Are you talking about the flight crews? In what way were they difficult to work with? I

The cockpit crews seemed to have a "tude"...and a lot of it could have been they were a long way from home, it was definitely cold weather ops and communication with HQ had to have been difficult..pre cell phone days, and they used to gripe that HQ seemed to be on "aloha time" and really felt no urgency..the other side could be that they may have been more prima donna than other airline crews.


User currently offlineWestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 753 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

Quoting ha763 (Reply 18):
It was found during regular maintenance checks.

So are you saying the Ex-ANA Tristars were worse off than the others in terms of corrosion? Not that I doubt you, ha763, but this is surprising for, AFAIK, ANA's got a good rep for maintenance. Can you elaborate? Thanks in advance.



Jack @ AUS
User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1367 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

Quoting charlienorth (Reply 22):
The cockpit crews seemed to have a "tude"...and a lot of it could have been they were a long way from home, it was definitely cold weather ops and communication with HQ had to have been difficult..pre cell phone days, and they used to gripe that HQ seemed to be on "aloha time" and really felt no urgency..the other side could be that they may have been more prima donna than other airline crews.

Ok, thanks for clarifying that. IIRC, most of our L1011 cockpit crews that flew those trips were from our SFO pilot base.

Aloha,
HALFA



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25 charlienorth : No prob Talking pilot bases I believe over the years HA had a lot of unusual pilot bases, the L-188 cres werebased somehhere very "un Hawaiian" same
26 HALFA : Actually, it was the HA DC-8 Crew bases that were far flung. The L1011 Pilots were based in HNL, SFO, LAX, and SEA. But with the DC-8's we had crews
27 777fan : Oh man, a HA crew member in BGR?! I'd be chippy, too! BGR is undoubtedly the most depressing place I've ever been and a complete 180 from HNL. 777fan
28 ha763 : Nope. I wasn't working there when the L-1011s were in the fleet. All I know is that I only heard about the ex-ANA ones. Again, it was found during re
29 474218 : Hawaiian (HA) operated eight (8) different TriStars. Five (5) that were purchased were ex-ANA (NH), then within a year sold and leased back. Those fi
30 Western727 : Comprende. Thanks, folks.
31 Post contains links PITrules : It looks like SYD went nonstop sometime between 1988 and 1990: http://airchive.com/html/timetable-a...te-maps/hawaiian/1988-april-3/6922 http://www.d
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