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KLM Nonstop To Ecuador  
User currently offlinemdutch From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 146 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11050 times:

According to an article on dutch news site nu.nl KLM will start nonstop flights with 777-300 to Ecuador on Nov. 1st 2011.
The flight with destination UIO and GYE will be on wed/fri/sun.

Article also mentions added flights to Carribbean destinations. 9x CUR, 5x AUA, 7x BON, 3x SXM.

http://www.nu.nl/economie/2441429/klm-zet-in-caribisch-gebied.html
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[Edited 2011-02-07 13:34:52]

[Edited 2011-02-07 13:47:44]

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User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 585 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10999 times:

That's great news for Ecuador ! A direct service to/from Europe, other than to Madrid, was long overdue !
Plus, the new nonstop service will become Ecuador's only 777 regular route.



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4695 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10908 times:

Interesting move, one I honestly didn't see coming... It was clear that something had to happen, but going from 5 to three times weekly? That's an interesting move!


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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5276 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10905 times:

Good news for KL. So I assume that the flight will be a triangle routing? Does the article say if it will be AMS-UIO-GYE-AMS or v.v.?


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User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 585 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10872 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 3):

I'm 99.9% sure that the new routing will be AMS-UIO-GYE-AMS !

Cheers,



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4695 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10836 times:

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 4):
I'm 99.9% sure that the new routing will be AMS-UIO-GYE-AMS !

For the time being at least! No way to get the 77W off the UIO runway with such a load.... Once the new airport opens maybe things change, but I'm not aware of what the performance off that airport looks like.



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User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10523 times:

Wow, wonderful news for Ecuador! And for Peruvian living in the north, since KL from LIM tends to be overpriced and fares to/from Ecuador are cheaper  

And wonderful to see a 77W in Ecuador, they don´t get that big aircraft in LIM.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10407 times:
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Quoting mdutch (Thread starter):
According to an article on dutch news site nu.nl KLM will start nonstop flights with 777-300 to Ecuador on Nov. 1st 2011.
The flight with destination UIO and GYE will be on wed/fri/sun.

This is fantastic news for Ecuador! Finally, a new non-stop service to Europe!

Quoting JRadier (Reply 5):
Once the new airport opens maybe things change, but I'm not aware of what the performance off that airport looks like.

The new Quito Airport will boast the longest runway in Latin America, 13,500 ft. long.

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 6):
Wow, wonderful news for Ecuador! And for Peruvian living in the north, since KL from LIM tends to be overpriced and fares to/from Ecuador are cheaper

AF will reinstate CDG-LIM 5x weekly (B772) this June.

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 6):
And wonderful to see a 77W in Ecuador, they don´t get that big aircraft in LIM.

LIM will soon receive a B744 service to DME operated by Transaero.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10373 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
Quoting JRadier (Reply 5):
Once the new airport opens maybe things change, but I'm not aware of what the performance off that airport looks like.

The new Quito Airport will boast the longest runway in Latin America, 13,500 ft. long.

I keep repeating this, the runway length isn't the only thing that determines whether an aircraft can take off or not. The airport's altitude is also a factor.

Even so, I assume KL has done their homework.

A388

[Edited 2011-02-07 16:20:09]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10317 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 8):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
Quoting JRadier (Reply 5):
Once the new airport opens maybe things change, but I'm not aware of what the performance off that airport looks like.

The new Quito Airport will boast the longest runway in Latin America, 13,500 ft. long.

I keep repeating this, the runway length isn't the only thing that determines whether an aircraft can take off or not. The airport's altitude is also a factor.

A388

Mariscal Sucre International airport is located at an altitude of 2850 meters above sea level and its runway has a length of 3120 meters. The new airport at Tababela is located at an altitude of 2400 meters above sea level and the length of the runway is 4100 meters.


User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 585 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10285 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
LIM will soon receive a B744 service to DME operated by Transaero.


Are you sure about that, SCL767 ?! Here in Lima the press has pointed out that the new service from DME to LIM and viceversa would be operated by a Boeing 777-200ER. But personally I don't mind if it is done by a 744. 

Cheers,



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10229 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
Mariscal Sucre International airport is located at an altitude of 2850 meters above sea level and its runway has a length of 3120 meters. The new airport at Tababela is located at an altitude of 2400 meters above sea level and the length of the runway is 4100 meters.

Thanks for the info but what is your point here?

A388


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10211 times:
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Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 10):
Are you sure about that, SCL767 ?! Here in Lima the press has pointed out that the new service from DME to LIM and viceversa would be operated by a Boeing 777-200ER. But personally I don't mind if it is done by a 744.

UN indicated that it would start out as a weekly service utilizing the B744, maybe UN will use a mix of a/c on the route. Interestingly, Korean Air is looking at LIM.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10145 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 12):
Korean Air is looking at LIM.

Maybe those are cargo flights? If so, I wonder about the routing of the flight.

A388


User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 585 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10120 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 13):

Nope, today it was published in the local press that Korean Air is looking at offering passenger flights to/from Lima. Apparently, they would begin services later this year. We'll have to wait and see.

As for the routing, it could be ICN-SEA/PDX/LAX/YVR-LIM. Those are the most logical options out there.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10014 times:

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 14):
Nope, today it was published in the local press that Korean Air is looking at offering passenger flights to/from Lima. Apparently, they would begin services later this year. We'll have to wait and see.

Okay, thanks. I didn't see that coming but alright, I hope the service will last.

A388


User currently offlinebeechnut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 726 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9814 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 11):
Thanks for the info but what is your point here?

I think his point is that the new airport is at slightly less altitude and has a significantly longer runway, which means that planes will be able to take off with a larger load.

Beech


User currently offlinealwaysontherun From Netherlands Antilles, joined Jan 2010, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9770 times:

Great news!! You can see the 777 paint markings at the gates at GYE, great to see them being used.

I hear some concerning stories about X-winds at Tababela.....they excavated half a mountain to be able to build this airport and the X-winds caught them by surprise.
Anyone has anymore info on that?

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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9665 times:
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Quoting alwaysontherun (Reply 17):

I hear some concerning stories about X-winds at Tababela.....they excavated half a mountain to be able to build this airport and the X-winds caught them by surprise.
Anyone has anymore info on that?

A major problem for the new airport will be the procedures for the approach. The methods of approach are more critical than that of Mariscal Sucre because it involves changing maneuvering angles at reduced times. A commercial flight into the new airport can not choose a visual approach due to the geographical complications due to the airport's high altitude.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9455 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 2):
Interesting move, one I honestly didn't see coming...

It was initially planned by AF from CDG with an A340 ... but not enough aircraft available ...  


User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 585 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9441 times:

Quoting highaltitude777 (Reply 19):
Based on the low load factors of Koreans LAX-GRU flights, perhaps they will stop in Lima and then continue to GRU.

But then it would become a 2-stop route: ICN-LAX-LIM-GRU. Would that make sense when other airlines offer GRU-ICN via other hubs ?



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User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 532 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9330 times:

Quoting beechnut (Reply 16):
I think his point is that the new airport is at slightly less altitude and has a significantly longer runway, which means that planes will be able to take off with a larger load.

Another major factor in this is the surrounding terrain and its effect on the legal requirements for one engine inoperative climb performance. You can have a 5000m runway at sea level and still go nowhere if you're surrounded by 20.000ft mountains.  


User currently offlinebj87 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8621 times:

Quoting 76er (Reply 22):
Another major factor in this is the surrounding terrain and its effect on the legal requirements for one engine inoperative climb performance. You can have a 5000m runway at sea level and still go nowhere if you're surrounded by 20.000ft mountains.

True, also don't forget the effect that heat has on the engine performance.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8478 times:

Quoting beechnut (Reply 16):
I think his point is that the new airport is at slightly less altitude and has a significantly longer runway, which means that planes will be able to take off with a larger load.

Based on what will aircraft be able to take off with a larger load? Based on the runway length alone?

A388


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8678 times:

Quoting bj87 (Reply 23):
Quoting 76er (Reply 22):
Another major factor in this is the surrounding terrain and its effect on the legal requirements for one engine inoperative climb performance. You can have a 5000m runway at sea level and still go nowhere if you're surrounded by 20.000ft mountains.

True, also don't forget the effect that heat has on the engine performance.

Finally there's something I can work with. Precisely what I meant...

A388


25 Post contains links joost : Boeing has a very nice and detailed documentation of airplane performance published on http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/plan_manuals.html Fo
26 frigatebird : That's why the route is AMS-UIO-GYE-AMS. GYE is at sea level, so no restrictions... High temperatures are hardly any factor at sea level.
27 aviasian : Having previously flown on a KLM MD-11 from Amsterdam to Quito via Bonaire and Guayaquil, I did not find myself getting excited about this service bei
28 joost : But GYE's 2,790m runway doesn't allow a full payload take-off, not even on a standard day (15 Celsius). TOW is limited to 735,000 lbs, so a 40,000 lb
29 airplane : I'm sure they will end up sending the 777-200 because the -300 is too big for the Ecuadorean market. JP
30 A388 : Thanks for the explanation Joost. That is what I was aiming at, the 77W indeed has tire speed issues and the airport's altitude still is an issue. Ba
31 joost : But they won't fly UIO-AMS non-stop, they'll be flying GYE-AMS non-stop. And although the 77W would not be able to be loaded to full MZFW, the payloa
32 A388 : Okay thanks for that. I know payload restrictions are common but it's not like over 60 percent of those payload restricted flights are caused by airp
33 LipeGIG : Interesting after all the discussions about KL going to EZE or GIG and now decides in favor of Ecuador. It seems AF/KL is really looking more & mo
34 realsim : AF to LIM, KL non-stop to Ecuador, rumors about KE to LIM, DL launching MIA-TPA/JAX/MCO... Could these moves be intended to put Skyteam in a better p
35 A388 : Their only chance at success to "battle" the other alliances was to have more Latin American airlines in their own alliance much earlier. Having igno
36 HB-IWC : One does not automatically exclude the other.
37 Summa767 : Any word on a possible change on equipment for BOG by AF? I was thinking 777 (either -200 or -300 in a class conf, as LIM will get?) Great for Ecuado
38 RAGAZZO777 : A couple of years ago there was a rumour that BOG would get the 747-400 and CCS would instead get the A340. However, BOG is still being operated with
39 76er : I doubt it, they just don't have enough new planes arriving to cover all the expansion on the various continents.
40 LH506 : Nevertheless 5 weekly MD11 is similar to 3 weekly 773 capacity wise. From my experience most people travlled to Ecuaor anyhow and did not get off in
41 Summa767 : Also, the bilateral only allows one single weekly frequency, and I have seen no interest in updating it. I would think that AF would increase capacit
42 Bogota : My understanding was that Premiere Voyageur was available on the BOG route, there has been plenty of news paper adds offering it, they even had a sta
43 RAGAZZO777 : It is actually Premium Voyageur (Premium Economy) and yes, it is offered on flights from CDG to BOG and viceversa.
44 SJOtoLIR : Following the Iberia style: IB MAD-UIO-GYE-MAD... . JUL [Juliaca, Peru: 12 552 feet above sea level] actually provides a 13 779 feet long. . It's als
45 Summa767 : Very good. Unfortunately it seems that KL have not updated the AF maps on their website. I was only looking for flights a couple of weeks ago on KL,
46 Dakota : Great to see direct flights from AMS to Ecuador. But frankly, I would have preferred 4 times weekly 772 above 3 times weekly 773. That's almost the sa
47 SCL767 : LAN Ecuador operates UIO-GYE-MAD-GYE-UIO daily (B763) and IB operates MAD-UIO-GYE-MAD daily (A343). LAN Ecuador will resume UIO-GYE-MAD-UIO-GYE (B763
48 RAGAZZO777 : IMO, it is only a matter of time for LH to resume services to both SCL and LIM. When TAM exits Star Alliance LH (and LX for that matter) will loose i
49 A388 : If I might ask, what is so special about LIM that airlines like KE, EK, TK, QR would want to fly there? I don't see any significant links between thes
50 IrishAyes : Lima is one of the biggest cities in Latin America with growing businesses and has strong cultural ties to Europe and Asia. I was shocked by the numb
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