miaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1284 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11792 times:
I just checked the LH schedule and noticed that LH is pulling out the MIA-muc flight this April. I'm guessing poor loads, expensive landing taxes and the oversaturization of the MIA-European market is responsible for this flights demise.
Correction, the last date of this flight is May 7.
miaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11701 times:
Its not coming back in the winter either. Its gone for good the flight was only launched last March and I was on the flight and it was packed to the gills. I wonder if the new KL and TP flights will end up failing as well?
smoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11133 times:
I'm sure if AA had been in star alliance, the route would've worked. But with all this increased TATL capacity into MIA this year it's not surprising to see a cut on a route like this. I'm just surprised DUS will out last MUC.
Apparently only for some places in Europe. The Miami-DUS market is far larger than the Miami- Munich market. This is similar to when LH announced MUC-DEN but dropped out after only a few months, and DEN is a star hub mind you.
airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 9210 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9931 times:
Quoting miaintl (Reply 9): Apparently only for some places in Europe. The Miami-DUS market is far larger than the Miami- Munich market. This is similar to when LH announced MUC-DEN but dropped out after only a few months, and DEN is a star hub mind you.
You have to understand that the beach resorts of the Mediterranean and Adriatic are a relatively short drive from Munich so most people won't bother with the flight to Miami in the Summer? In addition, MUC has far more flights to other tourist destinations than DUS. Likewise for DEN. Munich is at the foot of the Alps and LH already serves seemingly every other *A hub in the US.
These will just be the same as what other airlines pay. You have to put US "expensive" taxes in perspective with European airport taxes (those in Germany are all but cheap), and, for intl airlines, "taxes" are necessary to be paid to be granted access to markets in certain highly corrupted countries such as some African oil powers.
Quoting miaintl (Reply 19): What i really want to know is why the flight is being axed, the loads were great when i flew it last June.
Why don't you just ask LH? We've all flown full flights once in a while that ended up being axed at some point. Full with bottom-low fares = money-loser. Not too full but with good fares = money-maker.
Open skies + JVs across the pond have led to significant drops in fares, and it is my expectation that we'll see more and more routes being axed, but also more and more new routes being tried for a year or two until they either become successful or are axed again at the benefit of yet another new route.
Corporate contracts sometimes play an important role in guaranteeing a flight; maybe a contract between a MUC or MIA firm and LH has not been renewed and average fares + J seating demand will drop as a result. LH will obviously not disclose much of this, if that's the case.
Or LH just found a better use for the aircraft somewhere else where they think it could be more profitable.
Quoting miaintl (Reply 6): I dont know but i heard them pulling out had something to do with the departure taxes in Germany
Well, it's not like Germany specifically taxes flights to MIA more than those to other destinations.
Quoting miaintl (Reply 6): and the downturn in the cruise ship industry.
This route is not being replaced by some other route, so why its axed is still a mystery. They still fly to non-star airports like Boston out of MUC, so what is the size of the Boston Market compared to Miami? Interestingly this flight has been tried many times in the past 20 years and it always ended up in failure and were always short lived. I guess even with all the connections to Southern and Eastern Europe that MUC offers was not enough to save this flight.
flyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 5031 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5628 times:
MIA-MUC is a small local market, its the LH MUC beyond network that makes that pushes the mass.
Look MIA has had amazing increases in capacity, it's not sustainable to believe that all this capacity would be filled at the yields required. KL/SS/IB BCN/AA 2x MAD/AZ to MXP - it's pretty incredible, unfortunately this flight looks like it was at the cost of massive increase in capacity.
: All the flights you mentioned offer nothing to what MUC offers, including AMS. The KL flight is poorely timed for connections and is offered only 4x
: Does anyone have anyone here have any info on OS and its N. American expansion palns and if it has something to do with this route being cut?
: There's too much market growth in capacity - LH would not withdraw MUCMIA if it wasn't; a.) the poorest performing Munich intercontinental route b.)
: How do you know its the poorest preforming intercontinental route, last summer the loads and yields were great?
: No they were not, the yields were quite low despite strong loads. Part of the reason was the late loading of the sked (only decided in late April 201
: Do you think TP and KL will have the same problem as LH MUC did in Miami? If the flight was a certain failure then why the LH even bother to go ahead
: I think LH miscalculated premium demand. LH used an A340 with 56 premium seats, with only a total capacity of 221. TP/KL aircraft configurations have
: LHR and FRA are strong premium markets out of MIA so it would be unfair to say that all European flights are low yield. Plus dont forget the Southern
: MIAINTL - read below Everywhere to LHR is high-yield. Miami is a very strong volume market, there;s a lot of traffic potential, especially on a leisu
: Whats your opinion on TP's potential sucess, we know Southern Europe is high yield to MIA because of historical and cultural ties.
: Southern Europe is low-yield high volume. If TAP has the appropriate cost structure then they will be fine.
: AZ's flights to MIA are always high yield, especially the MXP flights (when they had the hub there). PLus , what do you think about TK coming to MIA
: Its official, LH MIA-MUC has officially been removed from the LH system today.
: I'm surprised MAH hasn't commented on this thread yet
: He has been sending me messages instead assuring me that its only a seasonal cut. Will wait and see then.