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US Announces Service To Quebec City  
User currently offlinejetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 448 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6773 times:

USAirways just announced service to Quebec City (YQB) today. Service begins on June 2nd using a ZW CR2. Flight schedule is below:

Philadelphia - Quebec City
9:30 am - 11:21 am
2:49 pm - 4:40 pm
8:35 pm - 10:28 pm

Quebec City - Philadelphia
6:00 am - 8:01 am
12:00 pm - 2:01 pm
5:15 pm - 7:16 pm

Flight will opperate year round. This is USAirways eight destination in Canada. I wish them luck on the route and Quebec City is a wonderful city to visit!

http://www.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/pressroom/pressreleases.html

[Edited 2011-02-09 10:45:27]

27 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1312 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6713 times:

their Canada additions last year from CLT-YOW and PHL-YHZ did very well. I was surprised they announced YHZ last year before YQB. CLT-YOW is also being upgraded from a CRJ to an E175

User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9412 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6647 times:

Quebec City is awesome to visit! I go twice a year for the two major festivals - I just wish it this would somehow bring down airfares - it's ridiculously expensive to fly to as it is - so we just end up driving anyway.


if assumptions could fly, airliners.net would be the world's busiest airport
User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6465 times:

YQB has a huge potential!!! It is ridiculously under-served

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3109 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6087 times:

Congrats to US! I always felt that YQB was a gap in their market. I wish them much success.

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 1):
CLT-YOW is also being upgraded from a CRJ to an E175

Interesting as people had said "if ATL can't make it work, CLT can't either" I have seen the flight go 2x daily on the weekends.



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User currently offlineheathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

Thank goodness! YQB needs some more options! Great news

User currently offlineca2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5738 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
Interesting as people had said "if ATL can't make it work, CLT can't either" I have seen the flight go 2x daily on the weekends.

You recall that too! CLT-YOW has been doing very well indeed.


User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1840 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5668 times:

Quoting ca2ohHP (Reply 6):
You recall that too! CLT-YOW has been doing very well indeed.

Yes, but I'm guessing a lot of traffic is going straight from CLT to Florida. It will be interesting to see what happens in the Summer... (or is it meant to be seasonal in the first place?).


User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5519 times:

Great news indeed.

YQB recorder a 15.0 % increase in passenger traffic last year over 2009. Glad to see that trend will continue in 2011. Maybe the addition of these flights will enable the airport to apply for U.S border pre-clearance.

Thenoflyzone



us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5499 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 4):
I have seen the flight go 2x daily on the weekends.

Just fyi, it's not 2x daily if it's just on the weekends.  

Anyway.. Looks like US is trying to get their foot in the door right off the bat with 3 flights each way. I hope it works out for them.



"Things change, friends leave, life doesn't stop for anybody." -- EAT'EM UP EAT'EM UP KSU!!
User currently offlineca2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5329 times:

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 7):

Yes, but I'm guessing a lot of traffic is going straight from CLT to Florida.

Judging by the handful of flights I've looked at that isn't the case. Surprisingly a good amount of local CLT traffic.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3109 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5176 times:

Quoting ca2ohHP (Reply 10):
Surprisingly a good amount of local CLT traffic.

I wonder what the reason for this is..



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User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

Quoting ca2ohHP (Reply 10):
Judging by the handful of flights I've looked at that isn't the case. Surprisingly a good amount of local CLT traffic
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 11):
I wonder what the reason for this is..

It isn't a very local market at all; this is but one of many examples of understanding the limitations of anecdotal evidence.


Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 7):
Yes, but I'm guessing a lot of traffic is going straight from CLT to Florida. It will be interesting to see what happens in the Summer... (or is it meant to be seasonal in the first place?).

It actually started at the beginning of last summer and has been continually flown since. As you suspect, most of the traffic does head to Florida and the Islands in the winter, but in the summer Canada becomes a tourist destination for many Americans.

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 8):
YQB recorder a 15.0 % increase in passenger traffic last year over 2009. Glad to see that trend will continue in 2011. Maybe the addition of these flights will enable the airport to apply for U.S border pre-clearance.

Good news for YQB! Your post seems to suggest that there might be a minimum passenger requirement to apply for US CBP. Is that the case?


User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

On the topic of lack of preclear. This is going to be an issue with this flight. The three flights are going to be ZW operated on the CRJ-200, which parks at the F gates. Customs is in A, meaning that as an international arrival, the flight would normally have to park at an A gate, most likely in A East. Where this becomes an issue is that there is a turf war between mainline rampers and the piedmont rampers. Normally Piedmont rampers would work a ZW flight, which normally wouldn't be an issue, but with the arrivals at A East, US mainline I think has a contract clause to work any flights there. The next issue is that US Mainline people flat out refuse to work any ZW planes in PHL, even if Piedmont has gone home and a ZW flight diverts to PHL. And I am also hearing that Mainline US in PHL does not want to train personnel to handle a CRJ.

One solution I am hearing to deal with this is for the YQB arrivals to become a busing operation, with passengers being bussed from the F terminal (Possibly the ready line in front of the ZW hangar) over to A West to clear customs. If this is the route they go with this, this is probably not going to help US from an image standpoint, and I don't think many pax will appreciate this. I personally hope they can find a way to put a ZW arrival from YQB into an A gate, as it will be so much easier for many people. Since many A gates are either common use, or have Shares, running a ZW departure out of there probably wouldn't be a huge deal.

On a related note, YHZ is being upgraded to an E170 for the summer months. I don't know if RW is CAT II, but if they are that switch will help that flight out immensely after the poor reliability of ZW in YHZ.


User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4454 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 12):
Good news for YQB! Your post seems to suggest that there might be a minimum passenger requirement to apply for US CBP. Is that the case?

I believe so. Don't have any more details, however. I know YQB has been interested in having pre-clearance, and i read somewhere that they need more numbers to justify it.

Edit: After reading through the Master Plan of the airport authority, it says they are aiming for the establishment of US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Preclearance facilities in 2015.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2011-02-09 21:37:52]


us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5675 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 13):
Where this becomes an issue is that there is a turf war between mainline rampers and the piedmont rampers.

There is a "turf war" of sorts, but it has more to do with EN employees being, for all intents and purposes, US employees replacing other furloughed US employees in certain outstations, and are being seen as a way to eliminate union jobs from the company.

Quoting apodino (Reply 13):
but with the arrivals at A East, US mainline I think has a contract clause to work any flights there.

No such provision in any contract I'm aware of. There may be a LOA between US and it's express carriers, but the unions have no say in it.

Quoting apodino (Reply 13):
The next issue is that US Mainline people flat out refuse to work any ZW planes in PHL, even if Piedmont has gone home and a ZW flight diverts to PHL.

That's because most mainline employees in PHL aren't trained on the 200s. I'm pretty sure the FAA would take issue if they did try to work them.

Quoting apodino (Reply 13):
And I am also hearing that Mainline US in PHL does not want to train personnel to handle a CRJ.

This is true. US "outsources" the CRJ work for a reason: to save money. What's the point if you're just going to have mainline guys to the job anyways?

Quoting apodino (Reply 13):


One solution I am hearing to deal with this is for the YQB arrivals to become a busing operation, with passengers being bussed from the F terminal (Possibly the ready line in front of the ZW hangar) over to A West to clear customs.

CBP would never allow this on a regular basis.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4012 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 15):
That's because most mainline employees in PHL aren't trained on the 200s. I'm pretty sure the FAA would take issue if they did try to work them.

I can see that from a rampers point of view, but CS people won't even help them rebook or anything like that. That being said, one night a ZW pilot had to self park his plane at a non jetway F gate because there was no one to marshal him in and he didn't want the pax to spend 6 hours on the plane until the morning crew showed up.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 15):
Quoting apodino (Reply 13):
The next issue is that US Mainline people flat out refuse to work any ZW planes in PHL, even if Piedmont has gone home and a ZW flight diverts to PHL.

That's because most mainline employees in PHL aren't trained on the 200s. I'm pretty sure the FAA would take issue if they did try to work them.

Quoting apodino (Reply 13):
And I am also hearing that Mainline US in PHL does not want to train personnel to handle a CRJ.

This is true. US "outsources" the CRJ work for a reason: to save money. What's the point if you're just going to have mainline guys to the job anyways?

The point is for emergency situations. With LOB becoming a hot topic these days, better safe than sorry.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 15):

Quoting apodino (Reply 13):


One solution I am hearing to deal with this is for the YQB arrivals to become a busing operation, with passengers being bussed from the F terminal (Possibly the ready line in front of the ZW hangar) over to A West to clear customs.

CBP would never allow this on a regular basis.

I agree with you on this, especially given that Piedmont is already in hot water with CBP as it is (This is the reason they don't allow back to back Canadian flights on the same aircraft). If ZW schedules their crews operating this like they do the rest of their operation, you can expect delays on any flight involving the inbound crew on the YQB flight because it will take them 45 minutes to clear customs, TSA, and get to the F concourse.


User currently offlinebahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1804 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 13):
On a related note, YHZ is being upgraded to an E170 for the summer months. I don't know if RW is CAT II, but if they are that switch will help that flight out immensely after the poor reliability of ZW in YHZ.

I would love to go to YHZ in the summer time, I am sure it is beautiful .. On the CATII issue, slowly but gradually we are going CAT II... I am guessing by summer time if FAA gets things right, we might turn CATII



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Quoting ca2ohHP (Reply 10):
Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 7):

Yes, but I'm guessing a lot of traffic is going straight from CLT to Florida.

Judging by the handful of flights I've looked at that isn't the case. Surprisingly a good amount of local CLT traffic.

This suggestion interests me as I would have thought that there would be a generous amount of service already out of YQB to Florida on Air Transat, Skyservice, Canjey, and of course AC. Would a cheaper fare to Florida induce Quebecers to route via CLT ?



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3109 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 12):
but in the summer Canada becomes a tourist destination for many Americans.



  

[quote=apodino,reply=13]

This is not the time US has run a CRJ to a destination that does not have pre-clearence. US used to fly CLT-GGT, but I forget what they did with CBP there.



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User currently offlineNumero4 From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 2):
Quebec City is awesome to visit! I go twice a year for the two major festivals - I just wish it this would somehow bring down airfares - it's ridiculously expensive to fly to as it is - so we just end up driving anyway.

Yes you are right. Most of the people here just drive to YUL to get somewhere (only a 2 hour drive) or, like I do, down to BTV (3 hour drive). It's more that twice as expensive as BTV to fly from YQB.

But anyway, good news. Yes YQB is doing well, I know they have big plans for this airport for years to come. Statistics show good increases in percentages, but it's easy to have good %'s in when your numbers are low.



CYQB
User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):

This is not the time US has run a CRJ to a destination that does not have pre-clearence. US used to fly CLT-GGT, but I forget what they did with CBP there.

US does use one D gate for Express operations in CLT that can feed into the CBP hall in CLT. And those gates are close to the E gates anyways. Not a big deal there. In PHL, the A gates are on the opposite side from the F gates. Much different.


User currently offlinephllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 15):
One solution I am hearing to deal with this is for the YQB arrivals to become a busing operation, with passengers being bussed from the F terminal (Possibly the ready line in front of the ZW hangar) over to A West to clear customs.

CBP would never allow this on a regular basis.

UA does this sort of thing with their SJD-LAX flight on a daily basis. It arrives in LAX after the T7 FIS closes but still parks at T7. Everyone exits and then goes downstairs to a bus over to TBIT where you clear customs and immigration and claim your luggage. I've done it several times.


User currently onlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 14):
Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 12):
Good news for YQB! Your post seems to suggest that there might be a minimum passenger requirement to apply for US CBP. Is that the case?

I believe so. Don't have any more details, however. I know YQB has been interested in having pre-clearance, and i read somewhere that they need more numbers to justify it.

Yes, the U.S. has some sort of passenger threshold that must be met before pre-clearance facilities can be initiated. PD learned that the hard way when they planned to put one at YTZ, only to be told by the U.S. gov't that it would not open until the airport's U.S.-bound pax numbers improve.

I imagine that YQB can't be too far from meeting the criteria though. Obviously it's not YYZ, YVR, YYC or YUL but YWG has a facility. The only U.S. flights it serves are DL to MSP and UA to ORD and DEN, all on small RJs, and a handful of less-than-daily WS flights to places like LAS. YQB has regular links to ORD, IAD, EWR, DTW, and now PHL, as well as all the full-size jets that go to Florida. If YWG has one (and has had it for years now), why not YQB?



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1984 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 15):
CBP would never allow this on a regular basis.

DL (or, actually XJ/9E) has done this on and off for years in DTW. Why would it be prohibited?



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25 Viscount724 : But when YWG's facility opened they had several mainline NW flights with 727s etc. I think NW even operated a DC-10 on one YWG-MSP flight for a while
26 apodino : Not to mention the WS flights out of YWG which are mainline even if less than daily. I don't believe there is any mainline service on anyone to YQB a
27 Cubsrule : Why would CBP care how long the bus ride is? It's not like people are throwing contraband out of the bus as it goes.
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