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Does Arpey Ever Fly AA Coach?  
User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 880 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12141 times:

Today's upper management seem so disconnected with reality that I can't help wondering if Arpey had ever set foot on the coach cabin of an AA airplane? Has he ever seen how deteriorated those MD-80s and 757s are. Specally when you putting them against Delta planes and such....


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User currently offlineAABB777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 575 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12003 times:
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My guess is he flies confirmed First domestically and confirmed First/Business internationally. As he should, he's CEO of the company.

I did hear of a time when he gave up his First seat for a member of the military who boarded in uniform.


User currently offlineLH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11990 times:

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 1):
My guess is he flies confirmed First domestically and confirmed First/Business internationally. As he should, he's CEO of the company.

I did hear of a time when he gave up his First seat for a member of the military who boarded in uniform.

Mayrhuber from LH was said to fly coach regularly and by suprise - at least on shorter sectors. So not every CEO of an airline needs to sit in the front.



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User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11745 times:

With the extend of AA's regional operations, im sure there are many times where he doesnt have a choice.


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User currently offlineveeseeten From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11515 times:

Quoting eastern023 (Thread starter):
Today's upper management seem so disconnected with reality t

Care to qualify that statement?


User currently offlineheathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11384 times:

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 1):

I did hear of a time when he gave up his First seat for a member of the military who boarded in uniform.

Good thing he's not flying AC domestic! Military are a common sight!

Why would the CEO of an airline fly in Y? Would you if you were in his position? I know I would....


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11373 times:
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Quoting LH506 (Reply 2):
So not every CEO of an airline needs to sit in the front.

Delta CEO Richard Anderson also always sits in Economy on domestic US flights....


User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11260 times:

When Arpey is traveling non-rev on leisure, he goes through the same standby procedures as any employee. So, yes, he probably has sat in coach.


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User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 573 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11250 times:

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 7):
When Arpey is traveling non-rev on leisure, he goes through the same standby procedures as any employee.

I find that pretty hard to believe. Do you have a source for that or are you just throwing it out there?


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19954 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11202 times:

I once heard CrAANdal say that all AA execs are required to fly a certain percent of their trips in Y class every year. I'd assume most airlines have this policy.

User currently offlineflyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11164 times:

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 7):
When Arpey is traveling non-rev on leisure, he goes through the same standby procedures as any employee.

No he doesn't.. He is confirmed status when travelling on leisure.. As is his spouse, and dependent children ...

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User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 573 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11165 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
I once heard CrAANdal say that all AA execs are required to fly a certain percent of their trips in Y class every year. I'd assume most airlines have this policy.

That sounds reasonable, and I have no doubt in my mind that Arpey has flown AA coach plenty of times.

I just find it hard to believe that he would stand by for a seat on a D2 pass and spend time worrying about whether or not to burn a D1 in order to get back in time for work on Monday morning. His time is too valuable for that kind of ambiguity.


User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1603 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11003 times:

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 11):
No he doesn't.. He is confirmed status when travelling on leisure.. As is his spouse, and dependent children ...

I believe this is standard procedure at all major US airlines for VPs and above (and I assume BODs as well).

Several years ago I knew a low-level VP at one of the major US airlines and he had confirm F/C travel for both business and leisure. However, he rarely used the privilege. He instead was content to standby like every other employee. It would be hard for me to do that in his position, but I'm sure it was well received by the employees who worked underneath him.


User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 412 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10866 times:
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Quoting AABB777 (Reply 1):

My guess is he flies confirmed First domestically and confirmed First/Business internationally. As he should, he's CEO of the company.

I did hear of a time when he gave up his First seat for a member of the military who boarded in uniform.

According to Richard Anderson (CEO DL), he flies Y domestically *always* unless there is a seat in F that wouldn't go to a paying customer (including upgrades). He made a big deal of saying that, but who knows if he actually does it.


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 761 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10856 times:

Willie Walsh always flies in the flight deck on shorter sectors so I'm told and First on long-haul. He has sat in J before however.

User currently offlineDL WIDGET HEAD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10715 times:

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 7):
When Arpey is traveling non-rev on leisure, he goes through the same standby procedures as any employee. So, yes, he probably has sat in coach.

Highly doubtful. Officers at DL are entitled to confirmed FC or BC wherever they fly and for whatever reason. Part of the perks of high office. I'm pretty sure that this policy is the same at AA, UA, US, etc. Of course, that's not to say that they won't fly coach for one reason or another. I was on a flight with Ed Bastian (DL Pres) last year and he was in coach right behind me.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6496 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 10574 times:

Quoting goldenstate (Reply 8):
I find that pretty hard to believe. Do you have a source for that or are you just throwing it out there?

Most DL employees know that and would verify that.


User currently offlinegoldenstate From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 573 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 10566 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 17):
Most DL employees know that and would verify that.

How would most DL employees know that Arpey flies standby on AA?


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 10502 times:

I think the point that the OP is making is that the CEO "should" fly in coach at least a few times a year to experience the "comforts" of coach and, in the case of AA, to realize how bad the hard product is back there. (I have never had a bad experience on AA with the service provided by the F/A's... and I'm over 1 million miles on AA).

User currently offlinekeny156 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10477 times:

His pass classification is:

A2

Active/Retired

Chairman/President/Senior Officers/Presidents of AMR Subsidiaries, their spouse, domestic partner, dependent children or registered companion
AMR subsidiaries Senior Officers - Active
Can confirm anytime prior to departure
Valid for travel on American Airlines (AA)/American Eagle/American Connection(AX)
Dependent children may travel unaccompanied
Pre-reserved seats are allowed
*Effective July 1, 2003 Special Meal requests are not allowed for A2 travelers
Sabre will not allow A2 to book F or J if only a certain number of seats are left to book. The levels are based on equipment type and markets. This also may apply to the coach cabin when the flight is extremely oversold. Standby for F or J at the airport is allowed.
Reserved space Confirm in F, J or Y Class of service


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9893 times:

I read somewhere that a legacy CEO (Bethune???) stopped flying the airline because too many employees were sucking up too much air around them and not paying attention to pax.


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User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9509 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 6):
Delta CEO Richard Anderson also always sits in Economy on domestic US flights....

I know, have seen, and boarded Richard Anderson in F class to IAH and he was NRPS.


User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9341 times:

If he really did sit in coach then i wish i was the people sitting next to him. although they didn't obviously know it was him it's still kind of cool to know it's very possible you're sitting next to a multimillionaire in aviation.


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User currently offlineBlueJuice From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9199 times:

Among AA frequent flyers, the current 752s are known as slAAveships. Most of them are in sad shape and desperately need a refresh. Worn out seats, bulky CRTs for IFE, and genrally filthy all around. The two upgraded birds have the current AA 738 interior which is nothing special. While domestic F is not bad, AA has a terrible domestic Y product. LCCs like B6 and VX easily beat AAs hard and soft product. Mr. Arpey and all senior AA managers should fly not only in AA planes but on other carriers as well. Hopefully they'll realize how bad their product competes.

User currently offlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1107 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9486 times:
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Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 14):

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 1):

My guess is he flies confirmed First domestically and confirmed First/Business internationally. As he should, he's CEO of the company.

I did hear of a time when he gave up his First seat for a member of the military who boarded in uniform.

According to Richard Anderson (CEO DL), he flies Y domestically *always* unless there is a seat in F that wouldn't go to a paying customer (including upgrades). He made a big deal of saying that, but who knows if he actually does it.

Donald Nyrop, when he was the head of Northwest Airlines, would never bump any paying passenger. He felt the paying passenger was paying both his and his employees wages. Even if it was necessary to travel on company business, he would fly using a flight attendant jump seat or use a spare seat in the cockpit to avoid bumping any paying passenger.   


25 DLdiamondboy : I want to see Ricard Anderson fly a 2 hour flight on ASA CRJ-200 seated next to someone who is 6'3" 250 lbs.
26 gabep : This statement makes the stagnation at AA possible. Loyal customers continue to fly AA regardless of how decrepit AA's products remain. Until the pro
27 flyfree727 : That names has been around a long time among the fa's that work main cabin. Not sure how a passenger could /would call it that? Please explain to me.
28 floridaflyboy : Richard Anderson was on several of my flights when I was a flight attendant. I had him on two CRJ-900 flights, one in first, one in coach. On the fir
29 SCL767 : A lot of FAs tend to talk overtly in the forward galley and passengers up front can clearly hear them. Some FAs also refer to the MD80s as the "Stupe
30 WROORD : All legacy airline CEOs should do 'the undercover boss' show. I watched the rerun with Frontier and it was pretty interesting.
31 PSU.DTW.SCE : I'm sure Aprey, list most airline CEOs are aware of the condition of their hard product. I know they take a lot of flack, but they aren't that out of
32 kbpilot5 : I'd like to have them just ride around on flights and hear the different comments from passengers.
33 Post contains images Dl767captain : Oh wow our governor sure is pinching pennies
34 sw733 : You must not have flown AA very much... Well he isn't the CEO of an airline
35 Tomassjc : As does Alaska CEO Bill Ayer.
36 SCL767 : Especially when their B752s go tech at certain South American stations all the time. Then AA forces pax to wait for maybe 12 hours until another B752
37 packcheer : I would like Mr. Arpey to sit next to me in 2 weeks when I have to fly 3 hours in an ERJ. I'm 6'4" , about 280 (Yes built like a football player). I f
38 Post contains images N62NA : They go tech everywhere all the time!
39 UAL747DEN : I really doubt that! There are different levels of non-rev travel and different options available. Myself and everyone on my flight benefits are able
40 sccutler : Last time I saw Arpey flying, he was in the left front seat... of his Piper Apache, doing touch & goes at Northwest Regional Airport (52F), at whi
41 stratosphere : By confirmed seat are you talking positive space FC? I have to say that if you and your family can book PS in FC at any time for personal travel then
42 B377 : So who cares. Arprey is qualified to fly jump-seat, or any cabin he desires. His position allows him to fly first or business class ahead of coach. W
43 bobnwa :
44 DLdiamondboy : I am 6'3" 250lbs. that is why I hate CRJ-200's. When there is no other choice of aircraft for a particular desitination such as MDT I always get seat
45 floridaflyboy : That's a good point, too. Bryan Bedford has been known to take the jumpseat to avoid bumping revenue passengers when traveling for business.
46 etops1 : I know Doug Parker over here at USAirways flies Coach . I have had him on my flights many times .Including to Europe on that cramped A330-300 to CDG w
47 dispatchguy : For those at AA, is N*RUNNER still in SABRE RES?
48 Rising : I thought only Pilots and Dispatchers could ride in the jump seat? I know Arpey is a private pilot, but can someone who is not a commercial FAA Airman
49 dispatchguy : While that is true, the CEO can generally write him self in in the ops manuals as an authorized jumpseater, online only. He isnt going to walkup to a
50 ATLflyer : I wish he would fly and see how awful the interiors of some of the AA fleet are. I dont mind an old cabin, as long as it's clean. AA's are always dirt
51 WROORD : I see other airliners' aircraft just as bad. It is the new mentality of saving on everything. I am sorry if I am boring with this, but on the Frontie
52 PVG : The question should be has he ever flown in C class on his airline and then tried any of his Asian or Brazilian competitors to compare? If so, how cou
53 LAXtoATL : The airlines don't really set prices. The customers set the prices. If his customers are willing to pay that amount, he would be violating his fiduci
54 Post contains images PI767 : I do believe that Herb Kelleher can ride cockpit jumpseat on Southwest. In fact, for the longest time, it was an official rule at Southwest that smok
55 ocracoke : There are others that are permitted, too. FAA flight inspectors, as mentioned. FAA tower people in training. Secret Service agents. In fact, there is
56 UAL747DEN : Yes I do mean confirmed. These are not "standard" flight benefits, I have been trying to explain to people on here for years that flight benefits are
57 flyfree727 : Wow staring to sound as if you were part of a union with slurs like that.. Better watch it before the bashing begins towards you. AA ORD
58 qqflyboy : Apparently, but it's restricted. Hmm... I wonder that means. I guess I don't have the right duty code to access it.
59 usdcaguy : Totally agree. The thinking that flight benefits are a privilege and not a part of one's compensation belongs in the eighties. These days, most US em
60 modesto2 : I was a non-rev in CO BusinessFirst with retired CO executive Frank Lorenzo. He was listed at a non-revenue priority of "S100." I'm still not sure if
61 TUSAA : If im not mistaken Crandall's wife was N*WALKER and former VP Mike Gunn was TOPGUNN.
62 flyfree727 : Yes.. it lists the travel specifics for retired CEO Bob Crandall AA ORD[Edited 2011-02-18 09:45:38]
63 ckfred : At Southwest, Herb used to say that fares were set based the cost of operations plus a reasonable profit. But, they weren't at the maximum amount tha
64 eastern023 : Here is a better question: Does Arpey read Airliners.net and maybe this post?
65 swa4life : If I'm an airline exec flying for leisure purposes, I think I probably just pay for a confirmed seat up front out of my own pocket. Flying for busines
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