Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
AI Domestic - 22% Load Factor In 2010!  
User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8186 times:

From the Times of India, fair use:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...flyer-load/articleshow/7485099.cms

The article states that AI's domestic operations only filled 1 in 4 seats in 2010 - is this because of overcapacity?

10 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlinekcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3814 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7976 times:

Quoting comorin (Thread starter):
The article states that AI's domestic operations only filled 1 in 4 seats in 2010 - is this because of overcapacity?

I'm not sure what else you could call a 22% loadfactor.


User currently offlinefortunerunnner From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7745 times:

AI runs quite few domestic tag on flights to their international flights. These are usually flight that depart in wee hours of morning like 2:30AM and naturally there aren't many takers for these add on flights that fly domestically at such weird times. Anyhow, I'm not too sure if 22% factor is for all AI's domestic flights or just the tag on flights that are operated in conjunction with AI's international flights. My guess is that this is true only for tag on flights and not all domestic flights operated by AI. Regardless, AI should really needs to get its house in order if its flying empty 747s from one city to the other just so that it can be parked for few hours as mentioned in the story....whoever came up with that idea really needs to be fired.

User currently offline9W748Capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7608 times:

Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 2):
whoever came up with that idea really needs to be fired.

Agreed - what a useless article as obviously the vast majority of Air India's domestic flights are still IC-coded. Sure only 22%, but what percentage of AI's domestic flights are actually AI-coded?


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7463 times:

Quoting 9W748Capt (Reply 3):
Agreed - what a useless article as obviously the vast majority of Air India's domestic flights are still IC-coded. Sure only 22%, but what percentage of AI's domestic flights are actually AI-coded?

Yes, I am quite sure that this article is only about the tag-ons and international connectors; it is not surprising that those have low loads. though surely they can find a better aircraft than the big widebodies that operated the associated international flight to operate those legs.

Didn't we see a discussion here lately, with AI flight numbers to be assigned for the IC flights? So maybe the end is in sight, and it will all be AI code. But not yet.


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7444 times:

w.e.f 0001 IST 12FEB, all flights are AI coded. Hence yes, all routes are AI coded.


The opinions above are solely my own and do not express those of my employers or clients.
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2974 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7352 times:

Quoting comorin (Thread starter):
The article states that AI's domestic operations only filled 1 in 4 seats in 2010 - is this because of overcapacity?
Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 1):
I'm not sure what else you could call a 22% loadfactor.

It's misleading, the 22% LF is on the erstwhile AI coded flights which are used as a tag on to the international routes and a handful of international connectors, which operate at odd hours and from international terminals of airports.

Besides, In November a handful of connectors were added and loads to pick up on these flights would take time to catch up. The TOI article is pointless and sensationalizing.

Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 2):
AI runs quite few domestic tag on flights to their international flights. These are usually flight that depart in wee hours of morning like 2:30AM and naturally there aren't many takers for these add on flights that fly domestically at such weird times. Anyhow, I'm not too sure if 22% factor is for all AI's domestic flights or just the tag on flights that are operated in conjunction with AI's international flights. My guess is that this is true only for tag on flights and not all domestic flights operated by AI. Regardless, AI should really needs to get its house in order if its flying empty 747s from one city to the other just so that it can be parked for few hours as mentioned in the story....whoever came up with that idea really needs to be fired.

  

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 5):
w.e.f 0001 IST 12FEB, all flights are AI coded. Hence yes, all routes are AI coded.

Postponed till 15th March 2011.

[Edited 2011-02-12 20:24:53]


A lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep
User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13031 posts, RR: 100
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7172 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

I'm glad to hear this was the 'tag on' flights.

But what a waste of money! AI needs to work out a better system so that the seats actually sell.

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 1):
I'm not sure what else you could call a 22% loadfactor.

Nice thoughts do not come to mind. 9,366 is two dozen flights per day that need to be cut. It must be cheaper to roll in a narrowbody for the connection than to fly the 747 22% full.

It would be better if AI figured out new long haul destinations for the heavy metal. This sounds like an operation Pan Am would have performed. (For prestige and not profit.)

Quoting ojas (Reply 6):
Postponed till 15th March 2011.

Hopefully they fix this uneconomic waste then.

Lightsaber



Societies that achieve a critical mass of ideas achieve self sustaining growth; others stagnate.
User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1820 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6339 times:

Excuse me, but nobody commented on the "highly perishable seats" and that they rot and not sold!!! Seriously?!


لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله
User currently offlinevin2basketball From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4567 times:

You have to take into account the following... The majority of these sectors are operated as tag-ons to Int'l flights terminating at BOM/DEL. These are operated to take into account O&D to secondary destinations and I'd estimate that 70-80% of the pax originated at the int'l point, and as AI fares to secondary destinations are not cheap, the yields should be decent. Secondly, given that space at BOM/DEL is very limited, it probably makes economic sense to RON these aircraft at BLR/HYD/AMD/CCU where it should be much cheaper.

User currently onlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4523 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 8):
Seriously?!

It's a services marketing term. The seats are perishable because once the flight departs the airline is not able to sell the seat again in the future.



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Etihad Load Factor In C Class posted Mon Jun 4 2007 07:28:12 by Wdleiser
NH-Domestic January Load Factor - 56% posted Thu Mar 15 2007 09:49:09 by Carpethead
Flight AC7847, Dec 22... Load Factor Please posted Sun Dec 11 2005 17:40:12 by PlaneLuver
EVA Air Ranked At #3 For Load-factor In Asia posted Thu Oct 10 2002 06:59:40 by Bigo747
ICN Airport Load Factor Statistics July/Aug 2010 posted Sun Oct 17 2010 20:36:27 by HeeseokKoo
Go! Load Factor Is 58% In January posted Thu Mar 1 2007 05:10:06 by Aloha73G
SQ In DME: 100% Load Factor posted Fri Mar 3 2006 04:54:23 by Kevin
Load Factor Was Doing In PHL On WN posted Sun Jul 11 2004 20:28:05 by ScottysAir
Load Factor Continental In Switzerland posted Mon Jun 28 2004 16:45:36 by Dens
B6 Load Factor Down 2.7% In December posted Thu Jan 8 2004 17:59:10 by Nycfuturepilot