Longhornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3094 posts, RR: 48 Posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1934 times:
I just watched a video on MSNBC discussing the recent changes in policy regarding crew rest, most importantly that the off-duty (rest) period is raised from 8 to 9 hours, beginning now when the crew arrives at the hotel, as opposed to when the plane parks at the gate.
In addition, the minimum hours were raised from 250 to 1500. I had not heard anything about this, though I knew they were both being discussed.
Anyone have some more details? I haven't seen it discussed here, sorry if it has (I'm almost sure it would've been, but we all know how crappy the search function is!).
jerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1102 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1893 times:
Wow..I too was just watching the same clip on MSNBC just now, guess it just proves how many people have msn.com as their homepage. Don't know much about it, but I applaud the whole rest starts at the time the pilot arrives at the hotel. How do they expect the pilot to rest before he makes it to the hotel.
c5load From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1893 times:
I wonder if this is going to change the airlines' schedules? I know that when you factor in deplaning, log paperwork, bus waiting, bus ride and check in, the time can get lengthy.
"But this airplane has 4 engines, it's an entirely different kind of flying! Altogether"
luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1875 times:
This is a step in the right direction though it does not address the fatigue from commuting, which is what the problem with this accident.
wncrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1828 times:
Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 1): Don't know much about it, but I applaud the whole rest starts at the time the pilot arrives at the hotel. How do they expect the pilot to rest before he makes it to the hotel.
OR the Flight Attendants....
It's asinine that our rest at an outstation starts upon block-in, even though we have to deplane pax, finish paperwork and then catch the same shuttle as the pilots to the hotel. Crew rest (including the ENTIRE Crew) is getting some much-needed attention now and it's about time.
I definitely understand the need for pilot rest, but I think it should be stated that FA's need their rest too. We aren't sitting down all day, able to read a magazine or have a normal conversation. Many times we're "on" all day, not having time to eat, use the restroom, or have a spare second to breathe (at least not at WN). It's kind of funny on layover because often pilots want everyone to come down and socialize and some FA's are so OVER-socialized/stimulated from their day that's the very last thing they'd like to do. Our bodies and minds wear out equally if not more that those of the pilots and in a safety-sensitive position I think our rest is certainly no-less important.
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Agreed. Certainly doesn't help that airlines can push labor wages down to the point to basically price pilots and flight attendants out of half the nations domiciles...making commuting almost a necessity nowadays- especially for regionals.
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robo65 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 167 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1486 times:
I didn't see this video on MSNBC like you stated and I hadn't heard of any rule changes as to pilot crew rest. I kind of find it hard to believe that the FAA would make this change. First of all how would this arrival time at the hotel be monitored? Would the crew be responsible for calling scheduling and saying we are now at the hotel or would it be recorded by the hotel upon check in. I know this is all about safety of the crew and customers but second of all this would be an issue for airlines to track and monitor most likely causing more delays for the next mornings flights. Some hotels are farther than others from airport, their could be issues with traffic between airport and the crew hotel. To me this just sounds like a bad decision by the FAA to go by arrival time at the hotel to start the crew rest. Why don't they just add an extra hour to the required rest period that should take care of any issues.
Maverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 4744 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1456 times:
Quoting robo65 (Reply 7): I kind of find it hard to believe that the FAA would make this change.
These are just proposed rules right now, and this news report selected a few of them that will never happen. The 1500TT is indeed law, but everything else is still being hashed out. I'm particularly amused by the "long vs short haul" duty times the report claimed as a rule.
Also, unlike block times, there's just no way to reliably track when a crew gets to the hotel.
Quoting robo65 (Reply 7): Why don't they just add an extra hour to the required rest period that should take care of any issues.
That'll probably be the final rule, 9 hours instead of 8.
robo65 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 167 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1438 times:
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 8): These are just proposed rules right now, and this news report selected a few of them that will never happen. The 1500TT is indeed law, but everything else is still being hashed out. I'm particularly amused by the "long vs short haul" duty times the report claimed as a rule.
Thanks for the clarification, it didn't mention in the original thread that this was proposals.
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 8): Also, unlike block times, there's just no way to reliably track when a crew gets to the hotel.
That was my same thought.
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 8): That'll probably be the final rule, 9 hours instead of 8.
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