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Delta Saab 340 Into 2012?  
User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 629 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3686 times:

IIRC, Delta was going to retire the Saabs by the end of the year. However, they have been busily loading schedules for early 2012 using quite a few Saab 340s to places like JMS, TVF, BJI (in the latter case CRJ, SF3 mix). So what's happening?

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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

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The Saabs are continuing to be returned at a rate of about 2 per month, however neither Delta or Mesaba have announced a final Saab "exit strategy" as to how they will completely wind down operations and what they will do with the few remaining, primarily EAS Saab markets.


User currently offlinerampboy77 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 64 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

Are there legs to the rumor that DL may bring in the RP - ERJ-135's for these thin EAS markets?

User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

Quoting rampboy77 (Reply 2):

I would say no. DL already dumped RP E35s once



yep.
User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

Quoting rampboy77 (Reply 2):
Are there legs to the rumor that DL may bring in the RP - ERJ-135's for these thin EAS markets?

I would think they would have to bid for it to change it to Chautauqua, since EAS awards are generally carrier specific and in these cases were awarded directly to Mesaba, not Northwest or Delta.



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

Quoting rampboy77 (Reply 2):
Are there legs to the rumor that DL may bring in the RP - ERJ-135's for these thin EAS markets?

Delta cannot dictate one of its regionals to replace another on an EAS route, as these are technically "at risk" routes operated by the regionals themselves, contracted by the DOT rather than the main airline. Therefore, it wouldn't be Delta's decision to place RP onto the EAS routes to replace Mesaba.

Chances are, if Chautauqua is going to bid on EAS markets to replace Mesaba, they aren't going to be as DL* feeding into MSP, but rather as F9* feeding into MKE (at least with regard to the upper midwest EAS routes).



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

There is still the possibility / hope that Mesaba (Pinnacle Holdings) will go and lease some of the Saabs and continue to serve these markets via EAS and/or "at risk"

The fact is that by the end of the year, DL will have ended the leases for all of the Saabs and be completely removed from all obligations for those aircraft.

That said, the rumors that had been said about Pinnacle going and getting the B+ to replace Colgan's older B models is starting to take form, like we are seeing with the new XJ LGA Saab flying.


User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3135 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

Quoting JBo (Reply 5):
but rather as F9* feeding into MKE (at least with regard to the upper midwest EAS routes).

And these F9 aircraft feeding into MKE would have what livery. Assuming it to be a Republic aircraft it wouldn't be DL or USAirways express livery so that leaves what for a MKE feeder since the Midwest livery has evaporated.


User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1570 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 7):
And these F9 aircraft feeding into MKE would have what livery. Assuming it to be a Republic aircraft it wouldn't be DL or USAirways express livery so that leaves what for a MKE feeder since the Midwest livery has evaporated.

F9 colors! They have already begun repainting the E135/145 aircraft into F9 colors!


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User currently online93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2552 times:

Will the ATR be an option?

User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1749 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2512 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 9):
Will the ATR be an option?

Delta? By all accounts they're done with props...but never say never I guess.


User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4304 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

But they are repainting some of the Saabs into the Delta Colors. If they are going to be retired in the near future anyways, why even bother?

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7711 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

They were done repainting the Saabs that were going to stay through 2011 back in 2010. They didn't paint the ones that were returned in 2010. At the time they hadn't fully made the decision to return the remaining 26 Saabs.

Either way, DL wanted the NW brand gone at the end of 2010. DL has been known to repaint airlines and remove them from the fleet shortly thereafter.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 9):

Not likely. DL only has room for ~8 more 70 seaters I believe.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):

Either way, DL wanted the NW brand gone at the end of 2010. DL has been known to repaint airlines and remove them from the fleet shortly thereafter.

Most airlines are. You will see CO gone by the time they get SOC at least.



yep.
User currently offlinev1valarob From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 6):
That said, the rumors that had been said about Pinnacle going and getting the B+ to replace Colgan's older B models is starting to take form, like we are seeing with the new XJ LGA Saab flying.

I hope so. Yesterday was a joke out of IAD. We had at least 5 Saabs down for more than 5 hours. Im sitting in a hotel room at an out station because there simply wasnt a Saab last night to spare, to make it here, for us to take out this morning.

Hopefully after the TA is voted in, and an SLI is worked out, the company can work on sending our Bs to the scrap yard, and move the B+ into the IAD, IAH and Airways markets.

We have alot of 9L guys drooling over that XJ LGA base.


User currently offlineevanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

Anybody know what the future of MCW and FOD holds? Are they toast? I would bet Fort Dodge is probably much more likely to be cut than Mason City...

User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 7):
And these F9 aircraft feeding into MKE would have what livery. Assuming it to be a Republic aircraft it wouldn't be DL or USAirways express livery so that leaves what for a MKE feeder since the Midwest livery has evaporated.

Karl, you answered your own question.   Or did you forget that Chautauqua has been feeding for F9 now, too?

In fact, RP was just awarded EAS for Manistee and Ironwood, succeeding Great Lakes. I could see RP/F9 reclaiming Iron Mountain and Escanaba when Mesaba's current contracts expire.



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