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Leahy: Predicts A380 Order(s) From LCCs  
User currently offlineinconel From Australia, joined Jan 2011, 8 posts, RR: 0
Posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 17252 times:

Any ideas who?

Leahy also notes that the Skymark deal for four aircraft is close to final.

http://af.reuters.com/article/cameroonNews/idAFWEB953920110216

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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1613 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 17112 times:

Damn, a 800 seat Ryanair A380 without seat assignment, the horror!! :O

Quoting inconel (Thread starter):
Leahy also notes that the Skymark deal for four aircraft is close to final.

That would be great news!



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User currently offlinetropical From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 16788 times:

Not A380-related, but I was amused by this comment:

Quote:
He accused Boeing of procastinating over whether to follow Airbus in upgrading its competing 737 plane with new engines, and predicted it would abandon talk of a complete redesign.

A bit of poo-stirring there from Leahy? Surely not  


User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 16682 times:

Knowing our dear JL this means he has got something up his sleeve?

AirAsia?


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1885 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 16597 times:

This has Air Asia X written all over it... I could be wrong, though.


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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 16545 times:

My first thought was Air Asia X as well, I personally cannot think of anyone else.

User currently offlinecygnuschicago From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 16437 times:

Maybe WN? That way they can replace their 737s with this, with double-wide seats, giving ever POS - oops, i mean COS - two seats without "offending their sensibilities"...  


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16364 times:

Its not actually as far fetched as it may at first appear. I dont think anyone seriously expects the likes of FR, U2, TR or WN to be buying A380s but there are a few candidates where it makes a lot of sense.

I've mentioned a few times on these forums that the likes of AirAsiaX are almost certainly looking closely at the A380 for their long-haul workhorse.

They run KUL to OAK / STN / ORY and SYD with A343s and I think with a little tinkering, perhaps a move to LGW for the UK ops etc, then an A380 will make compelling sense from about 2015/16 when they can get their hands on them.

Their A343s will probably be about 18 years old by then, and for something like a 20% increase in trip costs you'll be able to carry 100% more pax in more (chargable) luxury. They'll fit them with 100 C-lite seats and charge Y+ fares for them - and rock bottom prices for the 500+ cheap seats. Compelling stuff.

Who else with a charter/low-cost business model might be interested?

Air Transat have been growing their fleet and moved from A310-300 to A330-200 to A330-300 and there is no doubt that they could fill an A380 just doing YYZ and YUL - CUN etc flights. I'm not suggesting they'll put them on the trans-Atlantic routes, but for their leisure runs down to Mexico and the Caribbean where margins are dictated solely by load factor because yields are to a great extent controlled by the travel companies who book the seats en-bloc... Makes a lot of sense. Not saying they'll order loads, but could they make four work by 2016? Sure - I think so.

TUI Group / Corsair. They are a real sardine can charter airline and fill their high-density 744s daily to the Caribbean and also to Corsica etc with no difficulty. Charter pax do not care about frequency - all they care about is price, and if the A380 allowed Corsair to shave EUR50 per pax off the cost of flying them ORY-SXM, then hell yeah they'll take it. The traffic is there now, Air Austral already have the A380 on order, so why not? I think the question is not if they fly the A380, but whether they will wait for SQ to get rid of their first tranche circa 2022...

V-Australia - Unlikely, but I'm sure they are considering it to lower their CASM on the LAX runs to compete with QF. The routes can support multiple daily A380s, so if the traffic is there, why not? Especially if they have feed at the LAX end...   Bear in mind, a two class A380 would offer an even greater CASM advantage to VA than QF get from their 4 class birds. I know VA are not low-cost but they are lower-cost than their competition on the route and are linked to a low-cost airline in Aus that provides a degree of feed.

Transaero - Again, not a low-cost carrier per-se, (although they are lower cost than most legacies) but as their bread and butter is Russian tourists headed south to the sun and the run their 772, 743 and 744s are quite high-density. I'm fairly sure the bean counters at Transaero HQ are studying the CASM advantage and figuring out how many (surprisingly high yielding Y pax) they can cram into a two class A388 for the same trip costs as their existing 744s and for lower than their 743s. As with Corsair, i think the question is not if they fly the A380, but whether they will wait for SQ to get rid of their first tranche circa 2022...

A new airline? - The Laker business model has been tried and tested and some brave efforts have come and gone over the years, but as the Low-Cost model becomes more and more accepted by the traveling public then it can be argued that the market for long-haul lo-co travel has never been more appealing then it is now. The model depends on bums on seats and using large planes to carry large numbers of low-yielding pax cheaply and efficiently, so that a lot of a little becomes a lot. Who is to say that there will not be a new carrier starting up in the next decade or so to cater specifically to a long-haul lo-co business model? Once one of them figures out than airframe utilisation and a strategic partnership with a short-haul lo-co major are key to making it work... Who knows? What if, for example, someone ordered four A380s and fitted them with 100 Y+ and 580 Y seats, and began a Laker-style LGW and MAN - MCO and JFK service, daily in each direction? What if they went to easyJet or FlyBe and signed a strategic partnership for feed into its hubs in exchange for stock in the new company etc etc etc? What if the Y class product offered AVOD in every seat (films and internet etc charged as a surcharge), franchised coffee from a high-street brand, an actual bar at the front of the aircraft that functions just like a normal pub (franchised out, of course) and BOB franchised food solutions? What if you sold the bellyhold cargo capacity en bloc to a parcel major for less than it is worth per KG on the open market, but as a long-term CoA deal? What if you offered flexible Y returns LGW-JFK for £400 inc taxes? Might not work just yet, but who is to say someone wont make it work in the near future? 77W probably a better idea for a new startup, but if CASM is the crux, then the A380 is the Daddy.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineflyglobal From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 582 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15927 times:

We may probably see some change in low cost long haul carriers.

Those carriers may want to attack the economy class of the major players (be it LH, AF, BA JL, all) with an Economy + or Economy ++ type seat arrangement for a comparable price the legacies ask in Economy. Much as Skymark does in some variations.

I believe that this would be a huge market and as this are holiday fliers mostly and those may do such a trip once in several years, those customers may think that vacation starts with the flight towards the destination and would much prefer a more convenient seating over a cramped economy.

At least I would prefer this if being on a limited budget.

The A380 will still allow a huge number of passengers for such configurations and is probably an ideal plane to make such long haul low cost comfort flights viable for both, the airline and the customers.

So I wouldn't necessary expect 800 seat configurations, but rather something in the 650 range.

regards

flyglobal

(from 'Flyglobal Business Consulting' - holding several armchair positions at plane manufacturers and airlines around the globe)


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15904 times:

Several LCC are setting up in the Arabic world for flying millions of contract workers in and out - Air Arabia etc - for them CASM is everything, so not impossible.

User currently offline328JET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15846 times:

Ais Asia and Jetstar come in my mind as possible LCC A388-customers.

Corsairfly could have a need of 5 airplanes, but its no real LCC.

And i would not rule out airlines like Easyjet and Ryanair to offer real lowcost products on the atlantic.
(A germanwings A388 would look perfect as well... )

If such a lowcost A388 would be configured with around 700 Eco seat, then they could probably offer 250 Euro return tickets for UK-USA or UK-CA.

The market could emerge as quick as it did on shorthauls.


User currently offlineYokoTsuno From Singapore, joined Feb 2011, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15780 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 1):
Damn, a 800 seat Ryanair A380 without seat assignment, the horror!! :O

That's only the beginning. I was told that Ryanair's budget subdivision RyanSquareAir is working with Airbus on an A380 fitted with poles and passenger handles capable of flying roughly 2000-2500 passengers from SIN to DXB for an estimated cost of EUR 50 per pax. It's just a matter of keeping up with the the change of times.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15481 times:

I think LHs thin seats will be very intersting for MoL, since his seats are still conventional ones. This would allow to come near the certified 840 or 850 even with some space for on board luggage.

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 1):
Damn, a 800 seat Ryanair A380 without seat assignment, the horror!! :O

Since Ryanair would board the plane through all doors, this would be less horror than boarding any B738 through one jetway only.


User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1613 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15378 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 12):
Quoting travelavnut (Reply 1):
Damn, a 800 seat Ryanair A380 without seat assignment, the horror!! :O

Since Ryanair would board the plane through all doors, this would be less horror than boarding any B738 through one jetway only.

Of course I wasn't being serious. But suppose I (or MOL) was;

Ryanair use the B738 internal airstairs most of the time, I don't they will/can fit the A380 with airstairs for the maindeck. The upper deck most certainly not IMHO.

To save cost I'm sure MOL will have everyone board through 1 or 2 doors.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6664 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 15244 times:

Maybe install some ropes on the upper doors and allow the more fit passengers to board that way ?


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User currently offlineFlyNWA727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15156 times:

Don't most LCCs serve really small airports... at least for the majority of their services? Can the A380 can serve an airport such as London Luton or Stansted, for example?


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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4739 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14475 times:
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Quoting Focker (Reply 3):
Knowing our dear JL this means he has got something up his sleeve?

AirAsia?


Who knows. But usually if JL makes statements like this, there is something cooking somewhere. And with air traffic to double in some markets with 25 years, the need for larger aircraft becomes greater and greater.

The other remarks JL makes in the article about the B737 redesign and that the A350 program is on-track are also quite interesting.  


User currently offlineTinosky From Canada, joined Mar 2010, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14393 times:

Cant wait for the day when the A380 is in SkyMark colours!

Should be a nice sight.

Tinosky~


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14217 times:
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Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
Its not actually as far fetched as it may at first appear. I dont think anyone seriously expects the likes of FR, U2, TR or WN to be buying A380s but there are a few candidates where it makes a lot of sense.

Solid analysis, as always.

Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 15):
Don't most LCCs serve really small airports... at least for the majority of their services?


Indeed they do, but carriers like Air Asia X do serve facilities that can handle the A380 and the others CHRISBA777ER noted are more "charter carriers" who fly from larger cities to major vacation spots with 747s already, so an A388 should not really put any real pressure on the facilities at either end.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14216 times:

Quoting FlyNWA727 (Reply 15):
Don't most LCCs serve really small airports... at least for the majority of their services? Can the A380 can serve an airport such as London Luton or Stansted, for example?

LTN probably not as I think the runway is a wee bit short, but STN is A380 ready AFAIK. No double jetbridges etc but EK op A380s from remote stands all the time and they can still use normal jetbridges if need be.

Bear in mind that by 2016, EK will have twice daily A380s to MAN, five times daily to LHR, thrice daily to LGW, once daily to BHX, GLA and probably NCL as well.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2241 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13708 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
Air Transat have been growing their fleet and moved from A310-300 to A330-200 to A330-300 and there is no doubt that they could fill an A380 just doing YYZ and YUL - CUN etc flights. I'm not suggesting they'll put them on the trans-Atlantic routes, but for their leisure runs down to Mexico and the Caribbean where margins are dictated solely by load factor because yields are to a great extent controlled by the travel companies who book the seats en-bloc... Makes a lot of sense. Not saying they'll order loads, but could they make four work by 2016? Sure - I think so.

This is a seasonal example. Where would they deploy so many seats the rest of the year?


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13139 times:

What I find more interesting is this.
Quote:
"Airbus's next new plane, the mid-sized A350 which competes with the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, is on track, Leahy said.
The numbers are looking good and the programme appears to be on track and we have taken a much more conservative approach," he said, referring to past problems on the A380."

If this proves to be true then Airbus really is on the roll.
I've heard "rumours" about delays (6 months or so) but it was never confirmed by Airbus.
Can we expect to see the A350XWB EIS in about 28 months?

[Edited 2011-02-17 10:44:25]

User currently offlinegoblin211 From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13083 times:

I'm surprised anyone's really considering this to be possible. i would never expect an LCC to have a 380 just b/c it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much plane. how's Wn going to fill flights for a 380 from TPA to LAX let's say. the price in fuel would certainly absorb all profit of the flight would it not?


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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12514 times:

Quoting goblin211 (Reply 22):
i would never expect an LCC to have a 380 just b/c it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much plane.

Yes...and no. Here in the US, "LCC's" are expanding into primary airports. While LCC's typically have a more high-frequency model, this doesn't always work in slot controlled primary airports. For example (and in NO WAY am I trying to spread rumors that we...B6...are looking at the A380), B6 has its home base at JFK which is slot controlled. How many freakin' flights does B6 have from JFK to MCO...10, 11??? Consolidate those into 1 A380 flight and some A320 flights, and you free up a few slots to add new destinations or increase frequencies to some airports that don't see more than 1 or 2 flights/day. Also, LCC's are pushing their aircraft to their range limits. Again, using B6 as an example, our transcon capacity has dropped sharply due to increased pressure to curb costs. An aircraft like the A380 would allow for the capacity to increase without frequency increases and probably lower CASM for those flights.

So, while the A380 doesn't fit a traditional LCC model, the LCCs need to adapt to changes in the operating environment as they expand, etc., so it isn't necessarily completely out of the question.

~H81



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User currently offlinejsquared From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12179 times:

I can definitely see a market for transatlantic LCC service. Think about it - the number of leisure travelers from the US/Canada to western Europe (and vice versa) is huge, and would probably be greater if the high cost of airfare didn't stop people from making the journey. If FR or U2 bought a few A380s, loaded them up with 800 economy class seats and charged a maximum of $500 for a roundtrip ticket between New York and London, I have no doubt they could fill one plane every day.

I'm willing to bet that many leisure travelers (myself included) would be happy to give up the "luxuries" and "comfort" of the majors to arrive at their destinations with a few hundred extra dollars in their pockets.


25 Post contains links robffm2 : I'm a little sceptical, but Bloomberg reports the Skymark order is not 'firm'. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...panese-budget-carrier-skymark.ht
26 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Couple of things. WN will NOT be buying the A380. They arent that kind of airline. If a low-cost airline were to buy an A380 and fly in domestically
27 N14AZ : You mean "now", correct?
28 Post contains images EPA001 : If I read the article, he must mean that. So the good news is now final, there will be a Japanese airline flying the A380. Who is next? .
29 Garpd : But... 3 757s offer frequency, flexibility and are available pretty much tomorrow and at a vastly cheaper price than one A380. 3 departures: Morning,
30 Focker : I believe you are making a slight error here. If it is $ 2.79 per gallon it is less than $ 1 per litre...
31 WildcatYXU : I'm sorry to say that Chris, but you have an error here: $2.79 per gallon would be $0.74 per litre.
32 ZKCIF : Dear Friend, I am afraid You converted wrongly here. With all possible respect, ZKCIF
33 SchorschNG : A product that fits nicely between the rather dense economy on most mainliners and the very expensive business class. You could for example use a 3-3
34 Post contains links rwy04lga : See new thread, Skymark just ordered 4 A380s Skymark Buys 4 A380s (by ebbuk Feb 17 2011 in Civil Aviation)[Edited 2011-02-17 13:47:27] It's 73.7 cents
35 ABpositive : What a sight would that be seeing an A380 in SXM...
36 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Epic fail LOL - deary me. Do you know I ran the numbers three times and thought I'd got the decimal point wrong - couldn't believe it was that much in
37 Post contains images DocLightning : Yes, but there will be €50 fee to hold a handle, an extra €30 to hold a pole (but they'll bundle both for €70), and those who want to stand fre
38 SR4ever : I don't think Corsair will go for the 388. They are currently downgauging their Carribean and North American flights from 744 to 332/333. Corsair is
39 A380900 : That's the big question about the A380. Will it remain a big airplane or will it become a game changer? What I mean by that is that there is a real po
40 billreid : The problem is the Frequency vs. Cost savings question. NYC-LAX needs frequency which the A380 kills. That is why the A380 fails unless you fly it pl
41 mariner : In the article, Mr. Leahy does not specify which LCC's or where they operate. It is only on a.net that airlines like Ryanair and Southwest have been
42 777MAS : If the likes of Air Asia X can make it 9-abreast on the A330 (& certain non-LCCs like EK and MH can make it 10-abreast on the 777 and DC10 respec
43 astuteman : On the main-deck it will be no different to 10-abreast in a 777, apart from being considerably quieter, of course.... I harbour suspicions that a fav
44 JoKeR : I'm thinking someone less obvious with multiple hubs across the region and ambitions for going furher - Air Arabia anyone?
45 Post contains images YVRLTN : Could work, CUN in winter and YVR & YYZ - LGW & YUL - CDG in summer. It could be a real money maker for TS, but if it ever happens, they will
46 Burkhard : No. They board the 738 through two doors and not through jetways to speed up the boarding - lower turn around times. Boarding through 1 door makes co
47 Post contains links Thorben : I'm not sure this will be necessary. The A380 is certified for 853 pax as maximum. During the evacuation test, they had that many people as passenger
48 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Ok had a good rest, got the day off today so the coffee's on, the (epic) fry-up is on the way, Mark Knopfler is in the sounddock, so lets try the abov
49 Garpd : Great summary, but only realy makes sense assuming full aircraft 100% of the time. My guess is a 757 or A320 will be carry much less dead weight if ei
50 Post contains images EPA001 : And that produced a superb post. . Thanks for this interesting read.
51 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : No, I've explained - it works on the basis of 500 seats out of an available 600 - 83.3% LF which is not great but not too bad. You are right about th
52 Aesma : Even so the A380 has still a better fuel burn/seat so it really doesn't matter, thanks to newer engines and better wing and aerodynamics in general,
53 Stitch : Would you see three flights a day? With that airframe capacity, I'd imagine your primary target would be leisure travelers since business appears to
54 CHRISBA777ER : Great point - shame HNL is not close enough to do a return run from LAX in between the JFK runs....
55 travelhound : Nice evaluation. I have a little spreadsheet that does something similar to what you have worked out. I think where that model falls over is when you
56 Post contains links cosmofly : Skymark is configuring their A380 with 394 seats!!! LCC??? 114 biz and 280 Y. http://airinsight.wordpress.com/2011...kymark-starts-japanese-disruption
57 Stitch : That's gotta be wrong. I mean such a low seat-count would really impact CASM. Even KE has more seats and it's a three-class bird! Here's an off-the-w
58 davs5032 : Thanks for that! Extremely interesting post.
59 Thorben : Skymark wants to have a business class and an economy plus class on these planes, offered at considerably lower prices than the competition such as N
60 Stitch : With a 50m main deck length, at 28 rows of 10 abreast in Economy, each row would have something like 1.5 meters of pitch! They could also go 8-abreas
61 cosmofly : It is more like Y+++. Using LH A388 seating as a ref, the upper deck reasonably fits 114 biz class seats. However LH has 420 Y seats with 31' pitch o
62 Thorben : Of course it will be long haul. Their planned destinations were mentioned somewhere. Rome, Paris, Frankfurt, something like that. Honestly, First Cla
63 Stitch : And QF have noted they were losing their shirts during the GFC because it was too low and they needed more Y seats to cover the falling in F and C bo
64 SchorschNG : With only so few people on board the A380 doesn't make sense at all. You have to load the bird to justify the 845m² wing. Otherwise an B777-300ER wou
65 KFlyer : AirAsia X and flydubai are the only realistic ones I see. Both for long haul. They can kill any competing legacy carrier with this tool though.
66 N14AZ : And QF will change the cabin outfitting of their relative young A 380s to install even more seats (currently 450 as mentioned by Thorben above). It w
67 Post contains images columba : The A318 of the A380 family
68 Thorben : Right, but they layout wasn't planned for a crisis. Agreed. However, how many seats would fit in an A380 with their layout? 200?
69 SR4ever : Wasn't Airbus eyeing a 380-700 some time ago?
70 Post contains images columba : Yes but dropped that idea very soon. Would have been an ugly plane though. The A380-900 on the other hand
71 SchorschNG : The shrinky-thing doesn't work any more, actually it never worked really well. Also due to technical advances. The only aircraft which has a successf
72 Stitch : And BC's is? (just kidding) AO had 90 seats in a 757-200 EO had 48 seats in a 757-200 MY averaged 100 seats in a 767-200(ER) and I believe Y7 was sim
73 Post contains images Thorben : Yep, JAL's crisis. OK, a 752 can seat up to 230 people in all Y layout. 48 is a little over 20% of that, 90 is about 39%. The A380 can seat 853 in al
74 billreid : My problem with your model is that it does not account for frequency in a fickle market. If another airline puts in high frequency at attractive time
75 Post contains links and images N14AZ : Sounds logical. If airlines such as People Express, Tower Air and The Hawaii Express would be still around I am sure JL and his gang would call them
76 328JET : I don´t believe the A380 or B748I will be operated on short LCC routes. But i really could imagine them as real people mover for transatlantic flight
77 gemuser : Not planned, however anything can happen! What is planned is that the next group of A380s (Nos 10, 11 & 12 for QF) will be the last four class ai
78 Post contains images astuteman : It's comparable with any other widebody out there, at c. 2 m2 per tonne OEW. That's no different to the 748i, or 773ER, or the 787-8 in practice. Bri
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