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DL MIA-LHR: Luxurious And Surprisingly Affordable  
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4593 posts, RR: 8
Posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10529 times:

I got an email today from DL touting their new MIA-LHR service.

Since it was an email sent to me, I guess I can repost it here without violating any copyright. Wonder if AA will be sending me an email promoting their flight(s) from MIA-LHR?

For a limited time, enjoy low Economy and BusinessElite fares to Europe.

BOOK NOW & SAVE

Hello Mr. X,

Try our new trans-Atlantic service and save.

Book before March 1st to take advantage of our new nonstop service to London Heathrow Airport (LHR) from Miami or Boston and low introductory each-way fares (based on round trip) starting at $219* in Economy and $619* in BusinessElite®.

Daily nonstop flights from Miami (MIA) and twice-daily nonstop flights from Boston (BOS) start March 26, 2011. And, you can enjoy these same great fares from Jacksonville, Orlando and Tampa to London, when flying via Miami on our new intra-Florida flights.

Sale fares are valid on Economy travel that begins March 26-April 17, 2011 or May 1-15, 2011 or for BusinessElite travel that begins March 26-May 15, 2011. All travel must be complete on or before June 15, 2011.

Choose our world-class BusinessElite service and enjoy comfortable flat bed seats, which recline 180 degrees and offer extra leg room, more privacy and direct aisle access.

And South Floridians, you also can book fares as low as $309* (each-way based on round trip) in Economy nonstop to Amsterdam-Schiphol Airport (AMS) from Miami with our partner KLM Royal Dutch Airlines. This sale fare applies to travel that begins March 21-April 17, 2011, in which case all travel must be completed on or before May 17, 2011 or May 1-June 15, 2011, in which case all travel must be completed on or before July 15, 2011.

Book today to take advantage these great fares, which are available when traveling on our new nonstop flights between Miami and London or Amsterdam or Boston and London.

*Additional fees, restrictions, and baggage charges may apply. Fares shown are each-way based on a required round-trip ticket purchase. See below for details.


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User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10441 times:

I got one from United with a similar advertisement for J-class fares around $1200 r/t on ORD-Europe. Despite the economy slowly rebounding, it looks like premium cabin yields are still in the toilet on a lot of routes.

Or maybe they're just wising up and trying to get some leisure travelers to book J instead of letting those seats go to non-revs.


User currently offlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4070 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10342 times:

Wow what a great deal.
I priced DL's MIA-LHR at $1498 in business class including all taxes for April.
MIA-AMS priced at $5000 codeshare KL and MIA-CDG at $6500 codeshare AF.



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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10234 times:

Lets just hope MIA-AMS preforms better than MIA-MUC.

User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10074 times:

Although the amount of business travel that buys the $5k buisiness class tickets is coming back, it is still not what it used to be, it is a very easy cost to cut. Take that away I do not think there are enough individuals willing to fork out 5k for a J ticket to sustain the J cabin. This is sort of why International F is being phased out.

User currently offlinekeagkid101 From Portugal, joined Mar 2010, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7903 times:

That's a really good deal. Potentially, I can get from MIA to LHR for about $500. Floridians, let's take advantage of this!

User currently offlinecyxuk From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7876 times:

excuse my ignorance, but this service surprises me. DL doesn't have a codeshare agreement with a major carrier at LHR and they do not operate a hub at MIA.
does anyone else find this strange?


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7575 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 3):
Lets just hope MIA-AMS preforms better than MIA-MUC.

MIA-AMS is a completely different market then MIA-MUC. Much larger market and KLM is sending the right plane to do it.

Quoting cyxuk (Reply 6):
excuse my ignorance, but this service surprises me. DL doesn't have a codeshare agreement with a major carrier at LHR and they do not operate a hub at MIA.
does anyone else find this strange?

DL got slots from AA/BA but these slots could only be used for MIA and BOS flights two from BOS and one from MIA. Instead of losing very valuable slots they decided to keep them and start service. I think after a certain amount of years the slots can be changed to different airports so even if the flight does not work out it is still worth losing money for a few years. However MIA-LHR market is huge and I see DL doing fine. They also have added flights from MIA to MCO, TPA and JAX to connect to possibily add some feed to the MIA-LHR flight. DL has been increasing service at MIA and I think if the MIA-LHR and intra Florida flights are successful we might see DL add some more destinations such as LAX, BOS and SLC.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7453 times:

Quoting cyxuk (Reply 6):

DL is the 2nd largest carrier to MIA and has a very very strong fallowing in South FL.

Quoting flymia (Reply 7):
I think if the MIA-LHR and intra Florida flights are successful we might see DL add some more destinations such as LAX, BOS and SLC.

agreed. And LGA.

Also i wouldn't be shocked to see the FLL-TLH route moved to MIA to link up with MCO/JAX/TPA.



yep.
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4593 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7433 times:

Quoting cyxuk (Reply 6):
excuse my ignorance, but this service surprises me. DL doesn't have a codeshare agreement with a major carrier at LHR and they do not operate a hub at MIA.
does anyone else find this strange?

No need to be excused, it's a valid point you bring up (and the answer is in the post prior to mine).

The reason I created this topic is that the email I got (which I posted in the OP) is a signal that DL is really serious about making this new MIA-LHR route work, which is great news!


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4165 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7095 times:

It is interesting to see that the Boston flights (both of them) are showing up as 767-400s rather than 767-300s. I thought when the announcements were made that the 763 was going to be used on the Miami and Boston flights.

User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7021 times:

Not too bad of a move from DL, there is enough of their base in S. Florida to fill the plane, and they could undercut the S&^t out of AA price wise with their costs, maybe DL is long term trying to be an equal at MIA

User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6983 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 10):
It is interesting to see that the Boston flights (both of them) are showing up as 767-400s rather than 767-300s. I thought when the announcements were made that the 763 was going to be used on the Miami and Boston flights.

That's correct. However, both flights were switched to a 764 a while back. BOS is supposed to go back to 763 in June or July, while MIA's switch to the 764 is, IIRC, permanent.



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User currently offlinefbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6793 times:

That's a great on DL! Outside of Openskies those fares are the lowest TATL business fares I've seen in a while!

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 1):
I got one from United with a similar advertisement for J-class fares around $1200 r/t on ORD-Europe.

Having just booked some BA tickets for the summer my heart sank when I saw that.....unfortunately, and assuming we've found the same deal those are the oneway prices (excluding taxes) assuming a roundtrip is booked.

Chicago - Amsterdam $1,136*
San Francisco - London $1,320*
Chicago - Brussels $1,066*
Washington Dulles - Amsterdam $1,086*
Chicago - Munich $1,116*
Washington Dulles - Frankfurt $1,086*
Chicago - Paris $1,266*
Washington Dulles - London $992*
Los Angeles - London $1,320*
Washington Dulles - Rome $1,166*

The taxes/APD/fuel surcharge thievery is the best part of $1200 on a business/first ticket between the US and UK nowadays. Just looked up my e-ticket receipt and that portion of the aforementioned tickets (BA First) is $825 per person!

[Edited 2011-02-16 17:17:46]

[Edited 2011-02-16 17:18:05]


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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4165 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6545 times:

In looking at the DL timetable, it appears as though the early-evening BOS-LHR flight will be a 763 while the later one will be the 764.

User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6461 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 14):
In looking at the DL timetable, it appears as though the early-evening BOS-LHR flight will be a 763 while the later one will be the 764.

thats only 2-3 weekly. The rest of th week it will be 2x 76T



yep.
User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5117 times:

Quoting fbgdavidson (Reply 13):
The taxes/APD/fuel surcharge thievery is the best part of $1200 on a business/first ticket between the US and UK nowadays. Just looked up my e-ticket receipt and that portion of the aforementioned tickets (BA First) is $825 per person!

It is an utter shame of what the UK has done with their APD, it really sticks it to traveling families and those who saved years and years of miles to try to sit in the front row just once. The taxes and that, I was looking into trying BA first ORD-LHR, with the fuel surcharge (which I completely disagree with on award travel) and taxes, it would have been just under a grand for an "award" ticket. I really hope other EU countries do not adopt an APD as steep as the UK did.


User currently offlineaviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 10):
It is interesting to see that the Boston flights (both of them) are showing up as 767-400s rather than 767-300s. I thought when the announcements were made that the 763 was going to be used on the Miami and Boston flights.
Quoting OA412 (Reply 12):
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 10):
It is interesting to see that the Boston flights (both of them) are showing up as 767-400s rather than 767-300s. I thought when the announcements were made that the 763 was going to be used on the Miami and Boston flights.

That's correct. However, both flights were switched to a 764 a while back. BOS is supposed to go back to 763 in June or July, while MIA's switch to the 764 is, IIRC, permanent.

I believe when they first announced the route the 767-300ER's were the planned aircraft. However at this point in time it appears that DL will have enough of the 764 with the Lie flat J class seats where they can ensure they keep to the "lie flat to LHR". Also worth noting that even the 3x week DTW-LHR and 4x ATL-LHR has been upgraded to a 764 with lie flat J seats from the 767-300ER.

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 15):
thats only 2-3 weekly. The rest of th week it will be 2x 76T

That seems rather strange to waste a 12+ hour 767-300ER aircraft for just an 8 hour westbound flight? I looked through May and it shows a 764.

DL only had an additional 14 B764 to install lie flat seats in, It appears that they are getting them finished quicker than originally planned.

[Edited 2011-02-16 22:49:51]

User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 3068 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3633 times:

Quoting fbgdavidson (Reply 13):
The taxes/APD/fuel surcharge thievery is the best part of $1200 on a business/first ticket between the US and UK nowadays. Just looked up my e-ticket receipt and that portion of the aforementioned tickets (BA First) is $825 per person!

Looks like we got off cheaply; MAN-LHR-MIA return in May/June, BA FIRST. Taxes are "only £420 each.  Wow!
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Charges applied to your flight
There are certain taxes, fees and charges that are applied to your booking by British Airways, airport operators, governments or other authorities. Here you will find a full breakdown and explanation of the taxes, fees and surcharges applied to your booking.

Government, authority and airport charges Per adult
Air Passenger Duty - United Kingdom GBP120.00
Passenger Service Charge - United Kingdom GBP49.82
Customs User Fee - USA GBP3.40
Transportation Tax(Departure) - USA GBP10.20
Transportation Tax(Arrival) - USA GBP10.20
Animal & Plant Health User Fee (Aphis) - USA GBP3.10
Immigration User Fee - USA GBP4.40
Passenger Civil Aviation Security Service Fee - USA GBP1.60
Passenger Facility Charge GBP2.80
Total government, authority and airport charges* GBP205.52
More information

British Airways fees and surcharges Per adult
Fuel Surcharge** GBP205.00
Insurance and Security Surcharge** GBP10.00
Total British Airways fees and surcharges GBP215.00
More information

Insurance and security surcharges

British Airways applies a passenger surcharge on all flights to cover insurance and security. This surcharge applies to all passengers including children and infants on both international and domestic flights.

Fuel surcharges

British Airways applies a fuel surcharge on all flights to reflect the fluctuating price of worldwide oil.

The surcharge is based on flight duration and applies to all passengers, including children and infants travelling on British Airways operated international and domestic services.

Total taxes, fees and surcharges per person GBP420.52
*Government and/or airport taxes are refundable, however some countries will apply a Value Added Tax, Sales Tax or equivalent, which will only be refunded on fully flexible tickets.

**In line with the fare rules, a refund of insurance, security and fuel surcharges can be made on fully flexible tickets only with unused flights in your itinerary.



So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

SkyMiles mileage run anyone?
For those of you in FL considering a trip/mileage run to LHR, the miles and MQM's are higher via MIA than via BOS. Also note if you plan on purchasing an I class/Business Elite ticket, the flights do not appear on delta.com for the routing via MIA. Apparently a pricing problem because the intra-FL flights to MIA are on a DCI/CRJ200 and system can't price the two classes. DL dot com will route you via ATL and BOS for the $1200+ plus I fare.
Since this is a program error and is being worked on by Tech Support, you can book JAX/MCO/TPA - MIA/LHR via the res folks and ticketing fee will be waived. There is not a pricing problem if you book Y class and routing is via MIA.
Miles/MQM's via MIA for a roundtrip to LHR are at or near 9800. Routing via ATL and BOS is 9400.
Gotta' keep your eye out for those MQM's!



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

Quoting aviationbuff08 (Reply 17):
I believe when they first announced the route the 767-300ER's were the planned aircraft. However at this point in time it appears that DL will have enough of the 764 with the Lie flat J class seats where they can ensure they keep to the "lie flat to LHR". Also worth noting that even the 3x week DTW-LHR and 4x ATL-LHR has been upgraded to a 764 with lie flat J seats from the 767-300ER.

That seems rather strange to waste a 12+ hour 767-300ER aircraft for just an 8 hour westbound flight? I looked through May and it shows a 764.

While I don't know how far along Delta is with BizE mods on the 764 and 763 fleets, they have always stated that they want to keep a consistent product, their best product, on all of their LHR so as to better attract customers, hence the upgrade to 764s on flights formerly planned 763 routes, to cover the time between the start of the flights and when enough upgraded 763s will be available to operate the flights. I don't doubt MIA-LHR will remain a 764, but for the twice-daily BOS-LHR service they are too much capacity to profitably fill.


User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

Does anyone know why KL is pricing their MIA-AMS flights at over 4000 dollars for the months of July and August? Who do they plane to attract with such fares? If they want to attract customers on this flight than they have to lower the fares.

User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 21):

Does anyone know why KL is pricing their MIA-AMS flights at over 4000 dollars for the months of July and August? Who do they plane to attract with such fares? If they want to attract customers on this flight than they have to lower the fares.

KLM's fare in World Business Class for that period is 2499 USD which already includes all additional taxes and charges for a round-trip.
Availability is plentiful for that fare (I just did a quick check at klm.com).


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2505 times:

DL are offering 50,000 miles bonus for bookings on this route in paid business class but I think that is only open to UK residents.

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Transatlantic travel doesn't get any better than Delta's premium BusinessElite® service. Now you can earn 50,000 bonus miles traveling round trip (25,000 bonus miles for one-way travel) between the U.K. and the U.S. when you fly paid BusinessElite. Bonus miles may be earned multiple times during this promotion and can be used toward Award Travel within Europe on any of our SkyMiles® partner airlines.

First register, then book and fly between February 17 and April 30, 2011, on Delta-marketed and -operated or
KLM-marketed nonstop flights between these select cities:
London/Heathrow (LHR) and Atlanta (ATL), Boston (BOS)**, Detroit (DTW), Miami (MIA)**, Minneapolis (MSP), or New York (JFK)
London/Gatwick (LGW) and Atlanta (ATL)
Manchester (MAN) and Atlanta (ATL) or New York (JFK)



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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 22):

But on orbitz and expedia the fares are prized at over 4000.


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