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Skymark Buys 4 A380s  
User currently offlineebbuk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 16551 times:

Bloomberg is reporting this order as done.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...panese-budget-carrier-skymark.html

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"Airbus SAS, the world’s largest planemaker, won a firm order from Skymark Airlines Inc. for four A380 superjumbos to tackle Boeing Co.’s stranglehold in the Japanese market.

Skymark, a discount competitor to Japan’s biggest carriers, Japan Airlines Corp. and All Nippon Airways Co., will use the double-decker Airbus to connect Tokyo with London, Paris and Frankfurt, Chief Executive Officer Shinichi Nishikubo said in an exclusive interview in Toulouse, France......."

Skymark's CEO said that they considered the other offerings from Boeing but went for the efficient option.

Good order for Airbus, finally Japan cracks for more Airbus planes. Brave order from Skymark, sterling work from Leahy and the gang.

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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3613 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 16441 times:

So this is why JL was so confident and vocal about A380 deals with LCCs recently. There's probably more coming.

However, not that I don't trust Skymark's commitment, but this is an A380 order I'll only be confident in when the planes are painted and delivered...



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User currently offlineebbuk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16189 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 1):
However, not that I don't trust Skymark's commitment, but this is an A380 order I'll only be confident in when the planes are painted and delivered...

I am as cynical as you on this one, how I want it to work......


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29707 posts, RR: 84
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16062 times:
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Yeah, as big a fan I am of the A380, I am penciling this one in with IT and VS in the "I'll believe it when I see it in revenue service" column (and yes, I know SRB continues to say he will take delivery of VS' A380s).

User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1079 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15954 times:

Quoting ebbuk (Thread starter):
Good order for Airbus, finally Japan cracks for more Airbus planes. Brave order from Skymark, sterling work from Leahy and the gang.

Awesome. A great start for the A380 with 10 orders for 2011 already.
Maybe it's true what JL is saying about 2011 to be the year of the A380.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4594 posts, RR: 38
Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15864 times:
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Quoting Chiad (Reply 4):
Maybe it's true what JL is saying about 2011 to be the year of the A380.

Let's hope so. So far this is in the bag. Now lets hope all goes well and we see the planes in operation "soon".  .


User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2918 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15682 times:

JL is not in any shape ready to place a big order for heavy jets (except the upcoming 787s).
The 77Ws are sufficient for the time being and they do not need to be replaced anytime soon.


User currently offlineFlyNWA727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15621 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
Yeah, as big a fan I am of the A380, I am penciling this one in with IT and VS in the "I'll believe it when I see it in revenue service" column

  



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User currently offlineMarcoPoloWorld From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15170 times:

Great to see this one firmed up.

“We’ve been frustrated with the situation in Japan,” said John Leahy (of Airbus) in an interview on Feb. 16. “Both JAL and ANA are very traditional, and don’t necessarily support competition. They’ve always bought Boeing planes and don’t see any reason not to continue. But to the degree that the market opens up and independent operators begin putting risk-capital at work in Japan, you’ll see them having free and open competition.”

It's been stuffy in Japan economically for a long time, so hopefully this - along with the imminent A&F LCC startup with Osaka KIX as its base - may signal an opening for a more dynamic aviation market in that part of the region.


User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2087 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15052 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 6):
JL is not in any shape ready to place a big order for heavy jets (except the upcoming 787s).

He is talking about JL - John Leahy, not JL - Bankrupt Airline.. 

I can see the 380 getting a few orders this year. There are several existing customers needing to get top ups, SQ, LH and QF. With new customers, I would guess end of year sales at 60+


User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2918 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15005 times:

Quoting col (Reply 9):

Thanks for clearing that up.

It's possible that NH could go for the A380 but the 748 is a smaller step up from the 77W it flies internationally.

Getting back to the topic, the order maybe firmed up now but I will believe it when there is an actual Skymark-painted A380 in Toulouse.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29707 posts, RR: 84
Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14891 times:
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Quoting carpethead (Reply 10):
It's possible that NH could go for the A380 but the 748 is a smaller step up from the 77W it flies internationally.

One member swears NH had an MoU with Airbus for 5 (?) A380s, but all my contacts in and around the airline deny it.

I've heard Boeing has told NH and JL to literally name their price to land a 747-8 order, but with JL cancelling the remainder of their 777-300ERs on order, should they survive bankruptcy as an international carrier, I do not believe they will order anything larger than the 777-300ER.

I feel much the same for NH, to be honest. They're tossing their 747-400s, as well, and their 777-300ERs in the "Inspiration of Japan" configuration is extremely low-density and premium-heavy.


User currently offlinecentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14795 times:

On top of these orders, Skymark has launched connecting service between NGO and HND (first in a long time).
NGO-HND
SKY062 B737 23:40 00:40
HND-NGO
SKY061 B737 22:55 23:55

These times line up with HND international departures, right?



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13878 times:

With the bad shape of JAL this could actually work out for Skymark....it is risky but no risk no fun, right ?


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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4361 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13722 times:

Quoting col (Reply 9):
With new customers, I would guess end of year sales at 60+

And this without an Emirates top up  
Quoting carpethead (Reply 10):
Getting back to the topic, the order maybe firmed up now but I will believe it when there is an actual Skymark-painted A380 in Toulouse.

What I read about Skymark they are no hazards, but very professional long established in Japans tourism industry, they know what they are doing. They complain since long that the lethargy carriers are not able to provide them with the seats they could sell - and now they solve the problem themselves. I'm sure these aircraft will be delivered earlier than Kingfishers.


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6841 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13602 times:

Interesting airline, Skymark. I sat at Hanada a few weeks ago watching a foreign guy (i.e. not Japanese) dressed in a pair of jeans walking around his 737 and kicking the tyres. Subsequently, he walked up the steps, appeared in the cockpit and revealed himself as the pilot.

Very un-Japanese!


User currently offlineeraugrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13569 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
One member swears NH had an MoU with Airbus for 5 (?) A380s, but all my contacts in and around the airline deny it.

I've heard Boeing has told NH and JL to literally name their price to land a 747-8 order, but with JL cancelling the remainder of their 777-300ERs on order, should they survive bankruptcy as an international carrier, I do not believe they will order anything larger than the 777-300ER.

I feel much the same for NH, to be honest. They're tossing their 747-400s, as well, and their 777-300ERs in the "Inspiration of Japan" configuration is extremely low-density and premium-heavy.

This would def follow the stories I've recently read. Even to the color of the roll out 747-8i helps to try selling the aircraft in Arab countries and far east Countries.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...47-8-sales-in-middle-east-and.html

Desmond in ILM,

[Edited 2011-02-18 00:04:50]


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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2087 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13405 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
One member swears NH had an MoU with Airbus for 5 (?) A380s, but all my contacts in and around the airline deny it.

I think this may have been the 343 order from many years back.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
I've heard Boeing has told NH and JL to literally name their price to land a 747-8 order, but with JL cancelling the remainder of their 777-300ERs on order, should they survive bankruptcy as an international carrier, I do not believe they will order anything larger than the 777-300ER.

Bad news if they are asking JL to name a price, they would probably like to accept the plane and a payment for taking it..  


User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13230 times:

Confirmed on the Airbus website now as well:

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...onfirms-order-for-four-a380s/home/


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6841 posts, RR: 64
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13118 times:

Quoting col (Reply 17):
I think this may have been the 343 order from many years back.

No, no. It was definitely an A380 order. (At least, it obviously wasn't 'definite' but the rumour - in fact, more than that - was specific in terms of the model.) The A340 order was real and was years ago.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2607 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12761 times:

Woaw! Congratulations and knocking on wood that everything will work out fine.

Due to the current production problems the backlog is a little bit increasing.
Total orders: 244
Already delivered: 43
Backlog: 201

http://www7.pic-upload.de/18.02.11/jvuavkuujc4.jpg

Best regards
N14AZ


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6125 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days ago) and read 7510 times:

Good that it's firmed up !

Quoting col (Reply 9):
I can see the 380 getting a few orders this year. There are several existing customers needing to get top ups, SQ, LH and QF. With new customers, I would guess end of year sales at 60+

60 seems quite optimistic, especially as long as production is ramping up slowly. I would be happy with 30-40.



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User currently onlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2586 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
Yeah, as big a fan I am of the A380, I am penciling this one in with IT and VS in the "I'll believe it when I see it in revenue service" column (and yes, I know SRB continues to say he will take delivery of VS' A380s).

You're not alone.
Like I did with IT, I'm putting this order under the "CEO's eyes is bigger than their means" column of my orders list.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29707 posts, RR: 84
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4364 times:
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This blog claims that Skymark will only put 398 seats into their A380-800s: 118 Business Class and 280 Economy.

This has to be a mistake, otherwise I can't see how it would seriously negatively impact CASM. I mean KE's birds hold more folks, and it's a three class bird!


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):
This blog claims that Skymark will only put 398 seats into their A380-800s: 118 Business Class and 280 Economy.

This has to be a mistake, otherwise I can't see how it would seriously negatively impact CASM. I mean KE's birds hold more folks, and it's a three class bird!

HUGE mistake. It's actually 394 seats.

Can be found here:

Reply 156.

Skymark Of Japan Signs LOI For Six A380s! (Update: Plan For 15) (by Flying Belgian Nov 8 2010 in Civil Aviation)


25 Stitch : With a 50m main deck length, at 28 rows of 10 abreast in Economy, each row would have almost 1.5m of pitch! Even at 8-abreast with say 51cm wide seat
26 Thorben : It's all in that thread.
27 Post contains images Stitch : Called it. But with such a low-density seating schema, their CASM will be much higher and while it might be a nice hard product, are they going to be
28 Aesma : You think leisure, but what about companies ? Surely a comfortable seat, allowing work/sleep, but far cheaper than business, would interest them.
29 airfrnt : This is it? Really? With all the hype on A.net, I figured it would be Easyjet or something. Oh well. Chalk it up to another Leahyism.
30 CHRISBA777ER : It was six not five and it was an MoU not an LoI - six plus six options. We shall see....
31 mariner : What "hype" on a.net? I don't think an order for 4 x A380 (plus a couple of options) is to be sneezed at, but I'm quite surprised by the amount of se
32 centrair : Question: Where are they going to fly these planes? HNL? PVG? HKG? ICN? Could they take advantage of another international airport as well such as NGO
33 Post contains images col : Yes Really. But you could read through all the topics again to make sure.
34 N14AZ : LHR, CDG and FRA, it's written in the first post of this thread and in the bloomberg article.
35 Thorben : 394 compared to 526 (LH) and 538 (AF) isn't that much less. That means about 26% less seats. Against others such as SQ (471 seats), QF (450 seats) or
36 centrair : Very prime markets. Wow. For an LCC jumping into international these are prime. Here I was thinking they would go for the popular tourism markets. Th
37 columba : Odd that there focus seems to be in Europe instead of the US.
38 Post contains links Thorben : OK, here it is again: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...ernational-expansion-update1-.html First destinations: London Frankfurt New York Later:
39 N14AZ : But these destinations only if they receive additional A 380s, correct? In the interview linked in the first post Chief Executive Officer Shinichi Ni
40 Thorben : Of course. Unless they do all their destinations only once per week, what I doubt. OK. Maybe they're not 100% sure yet themselves. The interview is o
41 Aesma : Well, the order this thread is about is known since November, so no, this is NOT it, if you're referring to LCCs ordering A380s in the near future.
42 tayser : Tulla will welcome you with open arms. Ever since QF ditched NRT, we've been Japanless non-stop out of MEL. another potential partner for DJ?
43 BOACCunard : Given the stated configuration of the aircraft it certainly sounds like it. J and Y+ only.
44 Stitch : 26% less people is a pretty big spread. The premium cabin is the real money-maker for airlines, and BC will have the largest Business Class cabin of
45 Thorben : Compare it to UU with 853 seats. That's more than 50%. But ORY-RUN and CDG-HND are not similar markets. BC aims at the market of: -People going O&
46 Stitch : Then why did you state this ten replies earlier?
47 Thorben : Because these planes normally have less than 394 seats. NH 77W has 233 seats, BA 744 has 291 seats, JL 77W has 246 seats, LH A343 has 221 seats, AZ 7
48 DocLightning : Except ANA has A320's, no?
49 Stitch : Yes. They were also the first (and so far, only) A321 operator in Japan.
50 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I have to wonder what the eventual configuration of these A380s will be - they did after all previously operate the 767 with 8 abreast seating, even i
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