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16 Possible New Long Range Flights To & From DCA  
User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11210 posts, RR: 52
Posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18582 times:

Senate just approved a new set of exemptions for long range flights out of DCA:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...ngton-flights-to-western-u-s-.html


US Airways hub at DCA?


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24847 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18534 times:

As the article mentions this is far from a done deal.

They still must reconcile with the House version of the FAA authorization bill. Assuming they can do that, then they must later this year also agree with the House on a list of cities, and a method for awarding the service.

Stay tuned.....



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 18484 times:

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
US Airways hub at DCA?

We'll see what happens after the bill goes into committee to reconcile with the House, who only want 5 round-trips authorized outside of the perimeter. Amazing really that an item such as this is holding up $34.6 billion of funding to the FAA.



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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 18079 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
They still must reconcile with the House version of the FAA authorization bill. Assuming they can do that, then they must later this year also agree with the House on a list of cities, and a method for awarding the service.

Bingo. The House bill has five new entrants only. The Senate has 16, plus conversions. The House does not have conversions. There will be a lot of talk and a lot of input on what that ends up loking like moving forward.


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 17863 times:

Interesting! Not a done deal yet, but finally some real progress in this battle!

I, and others in San Diego I'm sure, will be watching this very closely...

bb


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11420 posts, RR: 61
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 17400 times:

If I'm understanding this proposal correctly, I think this is ridiculous. Just you-know-what or get off the pot, already.

Either lift the perimiter by city, or for everything, but continuing to piecemeal x number of flights, and make airlines bid for them, is just crazy in my view. Just say this is the list of cities that can be flow to and let any or all airlines fly there.

Just daydreaming here, but man would it be cool if AA - or another airline - bid for a daily flight to Austin (in addition to AA's obvious preferred first choice which would be LAX).


User currently offlineAABB777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 17375 times:
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Quoting commavia (Reply 5):
Just daydreaming here, but man would it be cool if AA - or another airline - bid for a daily flight to Austin (in addition to AA's obvious preferred first choice which would be LAX).

I think AA would also like to add a DCA-SAT flight. I've been told AA transports a LOT of pax DCA-DFW-SAT...


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 17116 times:

Let's see if I understand the Senate version correctly
5 new beyond-perimeter flights/slots for airlines with little or no service at DCA
7 new beyond-perimeter flights from already-existing slots
4 possible new beyond-perimeter flights/slots at a later time.

Is this correct?


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5312 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 16722 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 7):
5 new beyond-perimeter flights/slots for airlines with little or no service at DCA
7 new beyond-perimeter flights from already-existing slots
4 possible new beyond-perimeter flights/slots at a later time.

Is this correct?

Horribly written final paragraph of the article, but that's what I got from it too. Having spent my entire day with my head in legal writing I am too lazy to go read the bill.

Quoting commavia (Reply 5):
I think this is ridiculous. Just you-know-what or get off the pot, already.

Agreed in principle... but as someone who would directly benefit from flights to either SFO or PDX, I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. Let's hope the Senate version carries the day in conference.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 16420 times:

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 6):
I think AA would also like to add a DCA-SAT flight. I've been told AA transports a LOT of pax DCA-DFW-SAT...

They currently have the GSA contract for DCA-SAT so that makes sense. I bet DCA-SAT has quite a bit of government traffic on that route from both the Army and the Air Force.


User currently offlineDl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15909 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):

I know I am, a SAN-DCA would be so much nicer than having to make the drive from IAD.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15765 times:
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I'm hoping AS gets one or two more beyond-perimeter exemptions to fly 1X additional SEA-DCA (maybe redeye) or PDX-DCA and 2nd daily LAX-DCA.

User currently offlinepiaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15676 times:

Forgive me for my ignorance, but why arent there long range flights from DCA right now?

Cheers,
Piaflyer


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7123 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15607 times:

Quoting piaflyer (Reply 12):
Forgive me for my ignorance, but why arent there long range flights from DCA right now?

There are but they are limited to certain slots and cities with certain airlines. There is a permimeter rule in effect at the airport. Not sure if it is a just we wanted it to be in place rule or a noise thing.

AA is going to have to get some slot/s from DCA. Also I think AS is the last airline which will get slots since they already have some.



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 15267 times:

With the military i guess there is probably a pretty decent justification that SAN would be a hit, but i would have to think that SFO is the best unserved route left. Does anyone know how well AS does on their LAX flight? I know that DL does very well on their single 757 to SLC.

I wonder if southwest will try to sneak into DCA and get some slots since they CURRENTLY don't serve the airport. I bet they would love a DEN frequency but its so well served from DCA for connections so they might want to try to get a second LAX frequency or a LAS frequency if they can get one since they currently don't serve the airport yet and might want more to add to their new airtran ones coming.


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5354 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14956 times:

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
US Airways hub at DCA?

   US already has about 25% of the pax traffic at Reagan and considers it a "focus" airport so they really aren't very far from a hub right now...
Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
Not a done deal yet, but finally some real progress in this battle.

I think I'm retracting the last part of my statement. As I've been reading and looking more into this latest proposal, I'm afraid this is probably just more of the same "non-action" that we've seen for the last several years. I guess I felt some optimism initially because there was a firm Senate proposal and a (different) House proposal, but we've certainly gotten this far before. (I do agree with those who note that all this perimeter nonsense IS holding up billions in FAA funding which is getting to a dangerous point of affecting airport op's and improvement moneys around the country. Something better get done soon or I think bad things will start happening to airport infrastructure and perhaps, safety.)

Who knows, perhaps the House and the Senate can compromise -- yeah, right! -- on the number of new flights (10?), award the slots by lottery to those airlines interested, and let the winning airlines decide what routes to offer. And be done with it! (I know, but a guy just has to dream sometimes...)
Quoting commavia (Reply 5):
Just daydreaming here, but man would it be cool if AA - or another airline - bid for a daily flight to Austin
Quoting AABB777 (Reply 6):
I think AA would also like to add a DCA-SAT flight.

I assume you've noticed that this latest proposal was made by Senator Kay Hutchinson from, hmmm, TEXAS, so you guys definitely have a friend in your fight for AUS and SAT service to DCA!

In fact, this article mentions her proposal of last Sept (2010):
http://greatergreaterwashington.org/...mwaa-over-dca-flight-restrictions/
...and I quote...
Quote:
...some amount of micromanaging at National with other micromanaging by different senators. For example, Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) tried to include a provision requiring four small carriers to fly to West Texas, likely not the area with the highest travel demand to and from DC.

(It doesn't appear that she has attempted this strategy this time around, going instead for a broader, less Texas-centric proposal.) And her actions were certainly not unusual. I believe all the proposed bills trying to change the Perimeter at DCA have been sponsored by somebody with local motivations (e.g., McCain and Boxer come to mind.)

So it looks like business as usual to me. Ho hum...
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 14):
i guess there is probably a pretty decent justification that SAN would be a hit, but i would have to think that SFO is the best unserved route left

And I see the requisite "SFO is THE cherry-route from DCA remaining" remark has just arrived; my day is now complete. Again, ho hum... and the beat goes on.

bb


User currently offlinedolphinflyer From Canada, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13191 times:

Based on "merit" (i.e. O&D demand for YE3Q2010), below are the top extra-perimeter domestic markets that lack nonstop service to/from DCA:

SFO - 187 PPDEW (pax per day, each way)
SAN - 182 PPDEW
SAT - 144 PPDEW
SNA - 120 PPDEW
PDX - 115 PPDEW
AUS - 104 PPDEW
TUS - 98 PPDEW
ABQ - 80 PPDEW
SJU - 74 PPDEW

Demand on existing extra-perimeter routes (YE3Q2010) are as follows:

DEN - 438 PPDEW (4 dly n/s; 3-F9, 1-UA)
SEA - 327 PPDEW (2 dly n/s; 2-AS)
LAX - 279 PPDEW (1 dly n/s; 1-AS)
LAS - 253 PPDEW (1 dly n/s, 1-US)
PHX - 228 PPDEW (3 dly n/s, 3-US)
SLC - 152 PPDEW (1 dly n/s, 1-DL)

Hopefully the additional extra-perimeter flights will be allocated to some of the new cities listed above.


User currently offlineCharlieNoble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13048 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 13):
Quoting piaflyer (Reply 12):
Forgive me for my ignorance, but why arent there long range flights from DCA right now?


There are but they are limited to certain slots and cities with certain airlines. There is a permimeter rule in effect at the airport. Not sure if it is a just we wanted it to be in place rule or a noise thing.

Ostensibly it's about noise.

But the cynical side of me says that long-range access to DCA is a relatively precious commodity to be doled out by legislators for their particular purposes. If it were purely a noise issue then the rules would be written about decibels and MTOWs, not Nautical Miles.


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5312 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12798 times:

Quoting dolphinflyer (Reply 16):
Based on "merit" (i.e. O&D demand for YE3Q2010), below are the top extra-perimeter domestic markets that lack nonstop service to/from DCA:

This list is interesting, but not necessarily so reliable, because people will choose to fly from IAD or BWI rather than DCA if there are nonstops, particularly frequent nonstops. In evaluating markets' potential, that should be kept in mind.

SFO, in particular, will grow hugely at DCA once it gets a couple of exemptions, and LAX will grow once it gets more, because there are so many nonstops from IAD to those two cities. By contrast, with places like SAN, SAT, and PDX, what you see is closer to what you get -- although that's still probably good enough to support flights to all three of those airports.


User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12557 times:

Is DCA able to handle 757's?

Just curious and wondering if something like a 757 could operate non-stop to the likes of LHR-DCA, and if the such a route is feasible.

Just wondering if something like that could work for US Airways that has a base there.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11210 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12319 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 19):

Is DCA able to handle 757's?

Just curious and wondering if something like a 757 could operate non-stop to the likes of LHR-DCA, and if the such a route is feasible.

Yes, DCA handles 757s daily, and even a 767 from time to time, however it has short(ish) runways that probably would not allow operations across the pond. So, I think such a flight would be extremely unlikely.

Also, and someone can correct me if I am wrong, but there are no customs facilities at DCA. The only international flights from DCA are Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa (from time to time) and Bermuda, all places with preclearance.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 18):
This list is interesting, but not necessarily so reliable, because people will choose to fly from IAD or BWI rather than DCA if there are nonstops, particularly frequent nonstops.

I agree with this, though I am finding other people like me who dread Dulles so much that they are choosing to fly out of DCA and connect right now. (Even with a connection in Philly, door-to-door, I get to the west coast faster starting at DCA instead of IAD.)

It's a good question how much that number would cannibalize the traffic from IAD when nonstops arrive at DCA.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12299 times:
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Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 14):
i would have to think that SFO is the best unserved route left.

Maybe VX will have the opportunity to weigh in on some of the slots. They could definitely argue that they are a new, LCC ready to bring down air fares to the City by the Bay. I'm sure their A319's have the legs to make that flight, even with DCA's short runway.

Quoting flymia (Reply 13):
Also I think AS is the last airline which will get slots since they already have some.

Don't count AS out complete until all of the slots are allocated. AS could easily argue that the Pacific Northwest lacks DCA service except for the 2X daily from SEA. They could include PDX in their arguement, which has no DCA service.


User currently offlinerduddji From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1457 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12300 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 19):
Is DCA able to handle 757's?

Just curious and wondering if something like a 757 could operate non-stop to the likes of LHR-DCA, and if the such a route is feasible.

Yes they can handle 57's. The LHR-DCA wouldn't be a problem, but I think they would have takeoff issues fully fueled for a TATL flight. The takeoff performance of a 757 is very good, but I don't know if it's *that* good.



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12263 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 7):
Let's see if I understand the Senate version correctly
5 new beyond-perimeter flights/slots for airlines with little or no service at DCA
7 new beyond-perimeter flights from already-existing slots
4 possible new beyond-perimeter flights/slots at a later time.

When you say "5"...is that 5 PAIRS of slots? One RT is 2 slots.

Quoting flymia (Reply 13):
Quoting piaflyer (Reply 12):
Forgive me for my ignorance, but why arent there long range flights from DCA right now?

There are but they are limited to certain slots and cities with certain airlines. There is a permimeter rule in effect at the airport. Not sure if it is a just we wanted it to be in place rule or a noise thing.

Originally it was to prop up IAD which had no service, but now it's primarily about noise but UA has quietly funded the noise opposition as well. US has been on both sides of the fence depending upon who benefits from the proposal.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 19):
Is DCA able to handle 757's?

They fly there all the time. DCA has handled A300s before.


User currently offlinedeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12203 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 5):

Just daydreaming here, but man would it be cool if AA - or another airline - bid for a daily flight to Austin (in addition to AA's obvious preferred first choice which would be LAX).

I could see US going for SAT/AUS if/when the slot swap is done.
I expect for DL and AA to ask for 1-2x LAX-DCA. UA for SFO-DCA, DL for a 2nd SLC-DCA.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 14):
I know that DL does very well on their single 757 to SLC.

expect them to try to go to 2x daily, but DL does well on BWI/IAD and DCA from SLC.
Wish they would bring MIA/TPA back.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 19):
Is DCA able to handle 757's?

yes. DL has 1x daily SLC-DCA on a 757.



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25 seabosdca : The 757 could do it most of the time, although it might struggle on the hottest summer nights (when there also tends to be the least help from winds
26 washingtonian : I'm also curious if the House version allows 5 new flights (10 slots), or allows current slot holders to switch slots to beyond-perimeter flights. As
27 MPDPilot : Predictions/Wishes, what are your thoughts? Below are mine they go in order of likelyhood. New Entrants: VX-SFO B6-AUS WN-DEN WN-PHX VX-LAX Current Ca
28 Post contains images washingtonian : Well that and the lack of an FIS facility at DCA
29 D L X : Did you forget about US Airways? They're the most likely to get multiple slots, I think.
30 SANFan : Please explain the source of this data. The DOT's figures for 3Q2010 are not up yet and they don't separate out DCA from IAD anyway, so I'm curious w
31 OzarkD9S : They'll probably just dump DCA-STL and let DL have the market. There's 3 slots right there.
32 washingtonian : Not so sure. The House proposal allows basically 5 new routes/new entrants, which US will not get. Perhaps the final proposal will allow for some kin
33 enilria : Makes more sense given the odd #s. I would expect B6/VX/WN and US to get most of the slots. The US slots would have to be conversions IMHO. I have my
34 seabosdca : I think VX is a very natural fit -- 1x VX and 2x UA to SFO would make a lot of sense. Also easy to believe would be 1x VX and 1x UA or AA (in addition
35 kgaiflyer : DCA is the only Washington area airport with no service to SAN. I can see DCA-SAN as a new market (Pentagon is only 10 blocks away from DCA) and not
36 Coronado990 : SAN unlikely? One of the largest military complexes on the west coast? Probably number one on the list if you ask me.
37 SANFan : I'm still waiting to find out if these numbers are accurate but assuming they are... ... I think there is some support for the case for SAN being one
38 goblin211 : I hope it goes through so i can see DCA have more flights. i was wondering why they didn't have that many flights to western US too.
39 Dl767captain : Exactly, with the amount of military around here (Miramar, Pendleton, and North Island) I think it could fit in well. WN and UA would still do fine w
40 mogandoCI : does it make sense for UA to use these potential DCA slots to do SFO/LAX-DCA "p.s." service, even if it's only 2x daily for each city, timed explicitl
41 washingtonian : The US lobbyists have been unable to get their West Coast flights for years and years. Not all lobbyists get what they want.
42 Dl767captain : It would be an interesting expansion of P.S. But I think with the new UA EWR will be a higher priority for the service. UA has such a presence in IAD
43 mogandoCI : the DCA p.s. service is not meant to cannibalize the tons of frequencies to IAD - just a new add-on option regarding NYC's p.s. i dunno if it makes s
44 Dl767captain : I didn't mean to shift it I just meant it as an addition to the PS service, as in a new route using maybe a 739ER not a replacement
45 catiii : Are there any covenants to their slot leases that say they have to turn some of them back to the lessor in the event of an acquisition? Would be inte
46 slcdeltarumd11 : I agree that SAN is probably the second best route left unserved besides SFO (which would see more paying F and last minute business travelers paying
47 smoot4208 : Especially since McCain was the biggest supporter of this US will apply for the maximum slots they will be allowed (As will every other airline I thi
48 D L X : But do the people in the DC Area want VX? Or would they prefer US, UA, DL, AA, and AS for the alliances? Hell, even Southwest would probably have a m
49 seabosdca : It would be kind of silly to just have one SFO slot (although it could well happen) and, if there are two, UA (with US codeshare) is likely to get on
50 D L X : I agree that VX has a good base of fliers in the Bay Area, but how many of them want to go to DCA? Some fraction, for sure. But how many people who l
51 slcdeltarumd11 : No but i think that VX is much much much more likely to be selected than either US or DL because they are a new entry to DCA. "Profitability" of the
52 catiii : Actually, John Kyl was carrying the water on this issue for USAir. Maria Cantwell also was involved, as was Kay Hutchison. It doesn't matter what the
53 Post contains images seabosdca : That is how the current slots work, but in this process, Congress has seemed to want to exercise tighter control. I hope you're right -- as problemat
54 capitalflyer : Noise is only part of the reason for limits at DCA. The slot controls are to restrict the number of flights and amount of traffic to DCA for noise rea
55 seabosdca : This proposal is talking about adding five (5) new slot pairs. Will that suddenly cause NoVa to become a noisy hell? I think not. The other seven are
56 panova98 : Wouldn't it be nice if the citizens of the Distict of Columbia, taxpayers who help pay these legislators, actually had a representative, a Senator, wi
57 FlyPNS1 : I wouldn't go that far. While IAD does well with international traffic, domestic service is still quite weak. The only thing keeping domestic traffic
58 Aisak : It should not be a problem for a LCY-SNN-DCA-LCY flight as pax would pre-clear both immigration and customs at SNN. On the other hand, I don't know i
59 timz : Just clarifying: it has handled them, but AFAIK it never had scheduled A300s.
60 deltal1011man : Not if the do it the fair way. US has more slots than anyone. AS is 2nd. DL/AA/UA should get the first 7 slots. DL wouldn't do SAN. SLC and LAX will
61 wedgetail737 : I hope you're talking beyond-perimeter slots. I think that if AS argues 1X daily service to PDX, I think they have a better chance of winning a RT sl
62 SANFan : As I continue to think about the possibilities of new service from DCA, a couple of questions come to mind. ...Assuming the number of slots/awards/exe
63 Post contains images CGKings317 : Using the above figures, I obtained a PAX per frequency count of. The way I understand this is these numbers also include those who transfer at conne
64 SANFan : To broaden the scope of the discussion using more numbers... As reported earlier, for the 3 largest unserved w/c markets, I found the following pax co
65 FutureUScapt : You must be joking? You do realize that US has been one of the most vocal proponents of such legislation for years now. I can see the theme you are g
66 deltal1011man : I am It does, and it may be the 2nd best western city (I would say SFO on UA first, while the domestic side may even be better on AS/QX the UAL inter
67 smoot4208 : Perhaps depending on if the slot swap goes through before these new slots are issued, in lieu of the NRT and GRU slots, US could demand that DL not ap
68 washingtonian : Meanwhile DCA will be getting some new service, this is great news! Even if it's just 5 new roundtrips to the West Coast, that is almost a 50% increas
69 Flighty : No, that would probably make the govt less likely to give US the award. If there were no perimeter, the logical players would end up serving DCA-SFO
70 wedgetail737 : I totally agree with you there, especially if they have an early morning departure out of DCA and an afternoon departure from SFO to DCA. It will be
71 gigneil : [ Meh. Well, except that serving hubs is more helpful that serving any of the Saints - Diego, Antonio, doesn't matter. San Francisco and LA need serv
72 Dl767captain : I didn't say anything about members of congress.... how is having more flights on one route more helpful than opening up new routes that could use th
73 gigneil : One or two flights isn't service. 3 or 4 or 5 flights is service. People who want lower fares drive to secondary airports. People who want convenienc
74 Post contains links and images smoot4208 : That's what US does out of DCA, and it benefits both government agencies in DC and consumers (business travelers) that need to get to/from DCA US/UA/
75 Post contains images kgaiflyer : DL had just started new DCA-MIA service with a 319 in competition with both AA and NK -- it's already been pulled in favor of an E175. That leaves a
76 seabosdca : What makes a flight by a major or US more useful or convenient? We're not talking connections. DCA traffic is, and should be, mostly O&D. How doe
77 washingtonian : It's an MD-80, or at least when I am flying it in a week. When was it downgraded to an E-175? Yes. Very much true. IAD has seen tremendous growth thi
78 smoot4208 : Not that far back. But to how it was in the mid to late 90s. It is an alternative. You have a choice: Its either drive which takes time, or fly, whic
79 seabosdca : This is dogma, not sense. There is no reason why it should be inherently cheaper to move 160 people (the capacity of an Alaska 738) in 160 cars (with
80 kgaiflyer : My query was for May 6th outbound and May 9th inbound. I have both legs as E175s
81 sfredspot : It hardly defies conventional wisdom; by definition, real prices wouldn't be affected by inflation. Moreover, deregulation made air transit a commodi
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